Self Medicating TRT

DaveGrant said:
At my starting low I was 179 and still couldn’t get approved for TRT through a conventional doctor. Went with OnMen and was approved. Stayed with on men for over 2 ish years and finally started doing my own thing. At 120/week my level is now around 1137. I have AI on hand for when I start to feel my levels creeping up and pop 1/4 tab twice a week for 1-2 weeks and then stop again. Usually every 3-4 months I need to take it
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@DaveGrant
What AI do you use?
I have Aromasin on hand but have never used it.
I’m taking slightly higher than you, but I’ve been told that with such a low dosage, taking an AI can crash your oestrogen levels to a significantly worse, place than if you were to just leave things well enough alone. Ultimately, as so many have echoed on this forum, blood work seems to be the only way to know for sure otherwise, you’re really throwing darts in the dark with a blindfold on. What kind of signs are you referring to when you go for your quarter tab of your preferred AI?
 
DaveGrant said:
At my starting low I was 179 and still couldn’t get approved for TRT through a conventional doctor. Went with OnMen and was approved. Stayed with on men for over 2 ish years and finally started doing my own thing. At 120/week my level is now around 1137. I have AI on hand for when I start to feel my levels creeping up and pop 1/4 tab twice a week for 1-2 weeks and then stop again. Usually every 3-4 months I need to take it
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Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) With Steroids - Do NOT Use Until You Read This

This article delves into why you shouldn’t have a predetermined Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) dose. I see this mistake occur in several newbies' steroid cycles. I also see it occur a horrendous amount of times among TRT patients getting prescribed an Aromatase Inhibitor WAY too strong for their TRT...
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That’s a great article on why using an AI (or a SERM) without blood work can be a dangerous endeavour
 
DaveGrant said:
At my starting low I was 179 and still couldn’t get approved for TRT through a conventional doctor. Went with OnMen and was approved. Stayed with on men for over 2 ish years and finally started doing my own thing. At 120/week my level is now around 1137. I have AI on hand for when I start to feel my levels creeping up and pop 1/4 tab twice a week for 1-2 weeks and then stop again. Usually every 3-4 months I need to take it
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Wow man your a hyper responder. 1137 from 120/week is intense. Is that cyp or enth?
 
DaveGrant said:
At my starting low I was 179 and still couldn’t get approved for TRT through a conventional doctor. Went with OnMen and was approved. Stayed with on men for over 2 ish years and finally started doing my own thing. At 120/week my level is now around 1137. I have AI on hand for when I start to feel my levels creeping up and pop 1/4 tab twice a week for 1-2 weeks and then stop again. Usually every 3-4 months I need to take it
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Curious as to the timing of the blood draw, what pinning schedule were you on and how long after last pin was blood drawn please?
5-8%advantage said:
I couldn’t agree more @gondar1
Still learning the ropes re: what’s considered kosher and what’s not.
It was Jack Health.
Horrible response time on emails.
Lousy doctors that don’t communicate.
Meds I ordered came in packaging that looked like it had fallen off the back of a truck at highway speed.
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Seems like you are figuring it out just fine, better to hold back than say to much especially when still pretty new and unsure
 
5-8%advantage said:
@DaveGrant
What AI do you use?
I have Aromasin on hand but have never used it.
I’m taking slightly higher than you, but I’ve been told that with such a low dosage, taking an AI can crash your oestrogen levels to a significantly worse, place than if you were to just leave things well enough alone. Ultimately, as so many have echoed on this forum, blood work seems to be the only way to know for sure otherwise, you’re really throwing darts in the dark with a blindfold on. What kind of signs are you referring to when you go for your quarter tab of your preferred AI?
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I use anastrozole. Symptoms for my can range from itchy, puffy nipples to increased emotion (crying watching a movie) to libido issues and premature ejaculation.

I did bloods every 3 months from the beginning and was able to see my e2 levels. I didn’t take anything even after being prescribed at first but my e2 levels were creeping up pretty high and when I started to get the side effects above I started using it only when needed
 
Jerbear said:
Wow man your a hyper responder. 1137 from 120/week is intense. Is that cyp or enth?
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I range back and forth but respond the same on both esters. Currently finishing up the last of my Taro prescription and then will be dipping into my “other” stash which is enth
 
gondar1 said:
Curious as to the timing of the blood draw, what pinning schedule were you on and how long after last pin was blood drawn please?

Seems like you are figuring it out just fine, better to hold back than say to much especially when still pretty new and unsure
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Blood draw was done 72ish hours after last injection so right in the middle of my ester window my pinning schedule is .60mg Monday and Thursday.
 
My doc asks me to wait 5 days after injection maybe. Maybe mine would spike that high too in 3 days then come down. It could be normal
 
Jerbear said:
My doc asks me to wait 5 days after injection maybe. Maybe mine would spike that high too in 3 days then come down. It could be normal
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Ya not sure. I know mine said if it wasn’t in that timeline then the test was not valid. Also had to make sure the test was done morning before 10am
 
DaveGrant said:
. Also had to make sure the test was done morning before 10am
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Not a big deal by any means but I always feel the need to comment on this part, everybody here knows I can't shut up sometimes.

I have a couple personal stories I've previously posted about this. A few epic arguements with 2 different endo's, head of their hospitals Endo dept, supposedly among the best in the country, should be better informed than a meathead like me. Left them speechless and frankly hopefully embarrassed. "Tell me how I'm wrong doc".... 'well we've always done it that way' is a pretty lame arguement lol. Had a lab refuse to draw blood at 3pm until I Karened out on them.

Bottom line is that when you are using exogenous Testosterone at supraphysiologic levels there is no morning pulse. No pulse at all because you are shutdown. Therefore time of day is irrelevant.
Again, not a big deal usually but sometimes guys will stress unnecessarily if they can't get in in the morning.
 
Cheapshot said:
Ive never tries that low. But Im down to 85mg a week and possibly feel my best. Im slowly dropping my dose till I feel like crap..lol
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Is that because when your dose is too high too much is aromatising and making you feel like crap?
 
gondar1 said:
Not a big deal by any means but I always feel the need to comment on this part, everybody here knows I can't shut up sometimes.

I have a couple personal stories I've previously posted about this. A few epic arguements with 2 different endo's, head of their hospitals Endo dept, supposedly among the best in the country, should be better informed than a meathead like me. Left them speechless and frankly hopefully embarrassed. "Tell me how I'm wrong doc".... 'well we've always done it that way' is a pretty lame arguement lol. Had a lab refuse to draw blood at 3pm until I Karened out on them.

Bottom line is that when you are using exogenous Testosterone at supraphysiologic levels there is no morning pulse. No pulse at all because you are shutdown. Therefore time of day is irrelevant.
Again, not a big deal usually but sometimes guys will stress unnecessarily if they can't get in in the morning.
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My only “stress” with timing was my NP making me do it again which took time out of my day. lol
 
Cheapshot said:
Nope, I don't need an ai at 150mg or lower. Just always experimenting
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Do you know what your total and free testosterone are at 85mg a week? I guess one benifet would be saving money but I feel like if I wanted my levels at the lowest possible healthy level I'd just come off. Interesting though man I'm perplexed and might have to try this myself lol
 
Jerbear said:
Do you know what your total and free testosterone are at 85mg a week? I guess one benifet would be saving money but I feel like if I wanted my levels at the lowest possible healthy level I'd just come off. Interesting though man I'm perplexed and might have to try this myself lol
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No with the long esters it takes forever to adjust
 
Declan said:
I don't know if he is still figuring it out, my guess is his protocol is so obsolete and haven't read any new papers on trt administration in the last 25 years lol.

Anyway, I'm just making sure I'm within his parameters before blood work. I messed up my timing last time I took bloods it came out at 52 nmol, he brushed it off and instructed me to take the test 1 week after injection.

I'll just follow whatever he says as long as my hematology gets checked quarterly I'm good.
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I'm in the 50's on 110 mg a week. Started at 160mg....
 
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