My journey from sad to Chad.

Bigbear said:
How are you liking the cycle? Id imagine 60mgs of tren is producing some good results
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60 is adequate for sure, I find that pretty much everything I get from Tren I can get at this dose minus the psychological side effects, I also think I can run it longer than I could at something like 150. I think these doses give me almost everything i get from much higher doses.

I was 290 today on the gyms beam scale and pretty damn strong, the strongest I've been since I was around 28. being this heavy sucks I get winded easy but today I saw the outline of my top 2 rows of abs and the side outlines. Average people would say I'm not fat but I think I look fat lol.
 
I had hit a high bw of 295 at the gym a couple weeks ago off cycle, post vacation. I started a new cycle mostly the same as usual but a couple changes. I plan to take weekly pics and post them later, soft target of 240lbs, but that's pretty lean for me so I'll gauge how I look as the fat comes back off. It's pretty mild dosages but I feel these work well for me.

Weekly
Test c 150
Test p 60
Mast p 60
Tren a 60
Reta .5mg will increase dose based on feel.

Daily
4iu Chinese HGH
5mg Cialis
5g creatine

I'm on week 3 and bw is down to 290 at the gym, I'm of course dressed, wearing shoes, headphones, sweatpants stringer etc. hydrated but otherwise fasted.

Increase to 4iu gh has been great, I sleep well and have so much energy, it's early in this cut though. I can't say I notice anything from the reta at this low dose, I may just take a second .5mg today and increase to 1mg weekly early.

I train Monday through Friday usually in the am before work unless I have some emergency I have to respond to. Today I trained chest, shoulders and biceps, the pumps were amazing and I'm strong considering the deficit, but my high body fat is probably fueling me well. I feel hungry often before meals but not craving anything crazy. I'm quite happy that the scale has gone down as the hormones have increased, usually I gain weight for a few weeks before I lose any.

As for diet I'm trying to keep protein around 250g daily, right now it's somewhere between 2500-2800cals, I'm not weighing my food I'm just eating what I normally eat when I cut.
 
Negan said:
I had hit a high bw of 295 at the gym a couple weeks ago off cycle, post vacation. I started a new cycle mostly the same as usual but a couple changes. I plan to take weekly pics and post them later, soft target of 240lbs, but that's pretty lean for me so I'll gauge how I look as the fat comes back off. It's pretty mild dosages but I feel these work well for me.

Weekly
Test c 150
Test p 60
Mast p 60
Tren a 60
Reta .5mg will increase dose based on feel.

Daily
4iu Chinese HGH
5mg Cialis
5g creatine

I'm on week 3 and bw is down to 290 at the gym, I'm of course dressed, wearing shoes, headphones, sweatpants stringer etc. hydrated but otherwise fasted.

Increase to 4iu gh has been great, I sleep well and have so much energy, it's early in this cut though. I can't say I notice anything from the reta at this low dose, I may just take a second .5mg today and increase to 1mg weekly early.

I train Monday through Friday usually in the am before work unless I have some emergency I have to respond to. Today I trained chest, shoulders and biceps, the pumps were amazing and I'm strong considering the deficit, but my high body fat is probably fueling me well. I feel hungry often before meals but not craving anything crazy. I'm quite happy that the scale has gone down as the hormones have increased, usually I gain weight for a few weeks before I lose any.

As for diet I'm trying to keep protein around 250g daily, right now it's somewhere between 2500-2800cals, I'm not weighing my food I'm just eating what I normally eat when I cut.
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you train fasted? i could never. if i don’t have 100 carbs and a ton of water in my system, i get no pump. i also feel hypo the entire workout and can’t “lock in.”
 
Trenbolone&Cheese said:
you train fasted? i could never. if i don’t have 100 carbs and a ton of water in my system, i get no pump. i also feel hypo the entire workout and can’t “lock in.”
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Most often yes, I have been for about 2 years, it took a little bit to adjust but I'm used to it and now if I eat first I feel like the food in my stomach makes me feel off.

If I'm near the end of a mass period I might have a muffin or banana or something first thing on the way to the gym. Some days I have emergency calls into work where I end up going later in the day after eating meals other exceptions might be like I'm super tired at 6am so I go back to sleep for another hour because a good sleep is the most anabolic of anything you can do.
 
DaveTbk said:
anything below 80 grams of carbs and 1.5 liter of water and my sweat smells like ammonia and I also get zero pump.
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I don't experience this, I might be a few percent weaker but I don't notice anything dramatic, maybe it's because I've been fasting for about 12hrs since supper along with gh before bed. I'm probably burning ketones efficiently at 7am. I get decent pumps and I feel pretty strong. My sweat doesn't usually have much odor ever, l rarely need to use deodorant but I do keep it at home and office just in case I think I smell bad.
 
Week 4 287lbs at the gym.

I had an appointment with the seep disorder doctor yesterday (sleep apnea) and had the day off work, I woke up at 7am had breakfast at 8am (2 slices of toast with PB and a whey shake) I've been craving bread, went to the gym at 930am and the pumps I got were pretty awesome, idk but Im considering having something like toast pre-work out. I went to a Chinese buffet for lunch had 2 plates mostly meat at 2pm, I thought I'd have a light supper but was full still at 10pm when I went to bed so only the 2 meals yesterday. I'm thinking the reta 2mg is starting to work.

I'm feeling fantastic, I'm sleeping well and have good energy, pretty strong but my body fat is still high although this morning I could see the outlines of where my abs live. I'm seeing separations clearly again and that's a good feeling.

Dr said I'm healthy bp is normal but he said my bodyweight is high, on his scale I weighed 286lbs fully dressed, I said I know, I'm on a diet I've lost around 10lbs but in order to have a BMI that's not obesity id need to lose considerable muscle mass he just said yes but he also said im still healthy because the CPAP is working.
 
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Negan said:
Week 4 287lbs at the gym.

I had an appointment with the seep disorder doctor yesterday (sleep apnea) and had the day off work, I woke up at 7am had breakfast at 8am (2 slices of toast with PB and a whey shake) I've been craving bread, went to the gym at 930am and the pumps I got were pretty awesome, idk but Im considering having something like toast pre-work out. I went to a Chinese buffet for lunch had 2 plates mostly meat at 2pm, I thought I'd have a light supper but was full still at 10pm when I went to bed so only the 2 meals yesterday. I'm thinking the reta 2mg is starting to work.

I'm feeling fantastic, I'm sleeping well and have good energy, pretty strong but my body fat is still high although this morning I could see the outlines of where my abs live. I'm seeing separations clearly again and that's a good feeling.

Dr said I'm healthy bp is normal but he said my bodyweight is high, on his scale I weighed 286lbs fully dressed, I said I know, I'm on a diet I've lost around 10lbs but in order to have a BMI that's not obesity id need to lose considerable muscle mass he just said yes but he also said im still healthy because the CPAP is working.
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Ezikiel bread is great. I love it with peanut butter toasted. Much better for you than normal bread.
 
Sorbate said:
Ezikiel bread is great. I love it with peanut butter toasted. Much better for you than normal bread.
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I'll have to try it, it apparently has all the essential amino acids to make a complete protein. Which is wild because it's a biblical recipe from like 600BC, long before anyone knew about amino acids. I had grocery store bakery white however.
 
Week 5 now 2nd week at 2mg reta. 278 on home scale bare ass naked and 283 on gym scale this am, still getting stronger on this meso, trained Tris and legs today.
I'm noticing improvement in the mirror pretty much daily. Bread cravings have went away, we made some white bread on the weekend and that hit the spot, I wanted to eat like a whole loaf but I didn't. My appetite is probably mildly suppressed. I still feel hungry at meal times and would like to eat more at meals than I have been but I don't think about food much.
I'll share a couple gym pics from yesterday. I'm still carrying a lot of BF especially on my torso but I'm getting my shape back.6763.jpg6762.jpg
 
Week 6 281 on the gym scale. Still getting stronger but this is my 7th week on the meso and I usually deload after my heavy week, I don't think I'm going to do a week long deload this time because I feel good so I'll probably just copy this meso and that's a bit of a deload anyway because I start week one with 3rir. I may tweak it a little
 
Week 7 272 naked on the home scale this am. 276 on gym scale. Sunday I increased reta to 3mg and I have definitely noticed I feel full on less food this week. I didn't really want to eat my oatmeal with whey this morning but I ate it anyway. I could see my abs in the gym mirror when flexed this morning. Sleep has been great and I had to drop my CPAP pressure from 11 to 10 because I was swallowing air in my sleep. This week has been a partial deload, I reduced sets a little and training with 3rir, I will try to accumulate load over the next several weeks. Feels good man.
 
Week 8 home scale 271 naked, gym scale 275. I shot up a couple pounds early this week, I think it was because my deload week had reduced inflammation causing some water loss last week, but the diet kept me leaning out this week and I'm below last week's weight. I had a couple nights of sub par sleep so I put CPAP back up to 10.6 and slept well the last 2 nights but I did swallow some air throughout the night and wake up bloated again, might try 10.4 tonight. My gym bros are telling me I'm looking a lot leaner, as I should for about 25lbs weight-loss in 2 months plus I'm sure there was a little recomp, my shoulders look wider and my legs have grown a little since I'm training them more than I was.
 
Same weight this week. Pulled an erector on Tuesday and can't train. Eating at around maintenance calories for the week and probably the weekend, I couldn't put my own socks on yesterday but I could with discomfort today. hopefully I'm better next week.
 
Week 10 morning weight 269, gym weight 274. My back is probably around 85% I can't do some of my training like legs, I did do assisted pull ups however, some other lifts like concentration curls didn't feel good so I subbed in some Bayesian curls which felt fine. Skipped the legs and just hit triceps pretty hard this morning. I got a cold virus this week and I'm not feeling that well sleep was disrupted last night, I took some cold medication this morning because I have a productive cough. Strength is down just a little which is to be expected from a week off, having a sore back and being sick. 3.2mg reta still working great for appetite, my diet feels like it's all I could eat, still have lots to lose but I have zero diet fatigue.
 
Week 11, morning 264 gym 268. Still on 3.2 reta and the rest of the cycle is the same also. Not entirely sure why I dropped 5lbs this week. I'm thinking that because I pulled my back and then had a cold that the naproxen, and then cold medication may have caused some water retention, also maybe because I couldn't train legs or lower back that those muscles maybe have less inflammation or something. I didn't eat less than before and I'm not losing strength in the gym, up on some equal on others. Another possibility is that the recomp from my first cycle in a year has probably stopped and shifted to fat loss only. I was able to train quads this morning with the belt squat and they felt slightly harder than a few weeks ago also my technique is a little different to keep my.back straight, no loss in weight or reps, picked up reps on the leg extension and on my calve raises.

Last night we celebrated one of my daughter's birthday. She's 11 and wanted Wendy's for supper, I ate 3 junior double bacon cheeseburgers and a small piece of carrot cake (her favorite) didn't fit macros at all but should have put me around maintenance yesterday. The burgers tasted so salty and the cake was super sweet, I didn't enjoy the meal but was expecting to see the scale up this morning, however it was down a half pound from the day before. Didn't feel sick this morning my cold is basically better and my back is probably 90-95%. Feels pretty good to be on the mend.

Now I'm kinda wondering if I should keep following the same protocol of about 330mg weekly androgens or increase a little to maybe push some more recomp? I'm honestly not sure if recomp is even possible ATM I'm realistically around 15%bf, I think I was probably around or above 25% when I was close to 300lbs although I was lying to myself about it at the time lol. I'm going to have to think about it for a few days and see what happens maybe give it another week to clear some of the variables that I'm questioning.
 
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