Do take an a.i with that?
TRT Doses
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After looking at everyone elses total test level and the amount of TRT they take I feel I don't respond very well to it. My total test before TRT was 7.108 NMOL/L and been on 250mg/week testE. Tested 6 months later total test was 14.631 and one year later 15.048. Used a different Lab for the first 6 months than the second six months. I'm 55 years old now so got lots of years to go.
That’s crazy low. 250 per week has me around 65 lol.
lol gotta say I wish my numbers were like that.
300 mgs a week is super high for TRT. I'm curious, you said you are not feeling very good on 100 mgs week. Are you using cypionate or enanthate ?
That's damn low alright. IME over 80% of men would be around 3 times that. But more important is how you feel., not a number. I've known a few natty guys (younger though) who were big and strong and healthy and felt great that were right around your level. And guys that were on TRT at only a little bit higher but dosing less than half what you are.
Other factors like "free" Test come into play too.
Cypionate. Switched to enanthate already but to early to tell the difference yet. I know it's not a sustainable dose, I'm trying to find the sweet spot and eventually titrate down to a minimum of 160mg.
How was your libido/sexual function on androgel?
Been on a cookie cutter prescribed 100mg(50mg 2 X) weekly cyp/eth for a decade and I felt great physically, cognitively and OK sexually, but want more there (libido, sexual) as They started to wane over time.
currently being proactive and looking to implement gel/creams and shorter acting esters (prop) for intended less aromatization and DHT increase
Got my Endocrinologist to prescribe me Androgel1% hoping I was getting cream but found out we dont have cream in Canada so got the androgel which it seems people arent too high on overall lol
Luckily I have about 10 bottles of pharma CYP on hand (ex urologist over prescribed me by mistake hence the nice stockpile
was recently implementing some low dose propionate and libido started humming but I ended up getting sick. thought initially test flu reaction to the prop and then I just got viral sick. so unsure if prop actually made me sick. Either way I decided to hit hit the brakes on the prop and get better first to make sure it wasnt prop also causing sickness with the intent of circling back when I'm 100% healthy
Currently Ive fallen back to base protocol Test Cyp 25mg E0D (90mg weekly total which is slightly less than the 100mg dose that puts me in good range for bloods) and am adding 1 pump daily of Androgel for experimental purposes
I intend to add microdoses of Prop in the next few weeks ( 5mg EOD added to cyp dose) and hoping I dont react negatively to that because the libido benefits were noticeable. I did notice a slight drop off on performance when I added propionate and scaled back weekly Cyp dose. IF i dont react negative to prop I intend to increase Propionate and take Cyp base lower
I also keep proviron on hand and find a microdose of 6.25 is noticeable for some extra dht time to time. Also have some andractim 2.5% DHT gel coming
Really looking to increase desire, libido and sex fucntion. ok to trade off a little performance if need be.
I really found to long term static dose of 100mg Cyp weekly was eroding libido and hardon quality
any thoughts, insights guys?
The more you can mimic your natural testosterone release the closer your libido will be to a good consistent one.How was your libido/sexual function on androgel?
Been on a cookie cutter prescribed 100mg(50mg 2 X) weekly cyp/eth for a decade and I felt great physically, cognitively and OK sexually, but want more there (libido, sexual) as They started to wane over time.
currently being proactive and looking to implement gel/creams and shorter acting esters (prop) for intended less aromatization and DHT increase
Got my Endocrinologist to prescribe me Androgel1% hoping I was getting cream but found out we dont have cream in Canada so got the androgel which it seems people arent too high on overall lol
Luckily I have about 10 bottles of pharma CYP on hand (ex urologist over prescribed me by mistake hence the nice stockpile
was recently implementing some low dose propionate and libido started humming but I ended up getting sick. thought initially test flu reaction to the prop and then I just got viral sick. so unsure if prop actually made me sick. Either way I decided to hit hit the brakes on the prop and get better first to make sure it wasnt prop also causing sickness with the intent of circling back when I'm 100% healthy
Currently Ive fallen back to base protocol Test Cyp 25mg E0D (90mg weekly total which is slightly less than the 100mg dose that puts me in good range for bloods) and am adding 1 pump daily of Androgel for experimental purposes
I intend to add microdoses of Prop in the next few weeks ( 5mg EOD added to cyp dose) and hoping I dont react negatively to that because the libido benefits were noticeable. I did notice a slight drop off on performance when I added propionate and scaled back weekly Cyp dose. IF i dont react negative to prop I intend to increase Propionate and take Cyp base lower
I also keep proviron on hand and find a microdose of 6.25 is noticeable for some extra dht time to time. Also have some andractim 2.5% DHT gel coming
Really looking to increase desire, libido and sex fucntion. ok to trade off a little performance if need be.
I really found to long term static dose of 100mg Cyp weekly was eroding libido and hardon quality
any thoughts, insights guys?
One way, is prop daily @Sorbate is a proponent of this I believe. Another is HCG + TRT. Something else is a small dose of proviron, mast or primo, not recommended for obvious reasons and good luck finding mast or primo on a consistent basis right now.
Something almost always overlooked is dopamine. Every now and then you'll get someone asking why their libido is gone after a cycle despite going back to their TRT dose. The brain adapts to the increased dopamine from the testosterone and/ or other AAS. I suspect the lack of undulation in test levels from long esters is the reason for the lack of libido over time. If testosterone doesn't "drop" then the brain doesn't get a break. I bet a 4 week break from TRT would have things return to "normal" again. But if one can PCT and produce their own test with HCG and/ or enclomiphene why the need for TRT? One of the many reasons why I think TRT (solo) is not ideal and quite frankly misused. Just my thoughts.
Inb4 sensitivity isn't a thing.
HCG + Parabolan
The more you can mimic your natural testosterone release the closer your libido will be to a good consistent one.
One way, is prop daily @Sorbate is a proponent of this I believe. Another is HCG + TRT. Something else is a small dose of proviron, mast or primo, not recommended for obvious reasons and good luck finding mast or primo on a consistent basis right now.
Something almost always overlooked is dopamine. Every now and then you'll get someone asking why their libido is gone after a cycle despite going back to their TRT dose. The brain adapts to the increased dopamine from the testosterone and/ or other AAS. I suspect the lack of undulation in test levels from long esters is the reason for the lack of libido over time. If testosterone doesn't "drop" then the brain doesn't get a break. I bet a 4 week break from TRT would have things return to "normal" again. But if one can PCT and produce their own test with HCG and/ or enclomiphene why the need for TRT? One of the many reasons why I think TRT (solo) is not ideal and quite frankly misused. Just my thoughts.
Inb4 sensitivity isn't a thing.
Good stuff man! appreciated!
Love the dopamine angle. makes completes sense hence the playing with shorter esters for contrast in trt
As for Masteron I have a couple bottles that are about 4 years old but kept out of the elements so should be g2g for adding a lil pinch. Used to add a lil mast for add on.
They are enanthate which im not crazy about the longer ester. For now microdose proviron is preferred mode for shbg freeing, dht kick and bit of E control. I have to be careful with mood changes. I think I respond well to low doses. its a fine line between being confident with some cool aggression but not being an impatient dick lol
Prop eod is how I did it. I didn’t mind the small flucuations.The more you can mimic your natural testosterone release the closer your libido will be to a good consistent one.
One way, is prop daily @Sorbate is a proponent of this I believe. Another is HCG + TRT. Something else is a small dose of proviron, mast or primo, not recommended for obvious reasons and good luck finding mast or primo on a consistent basis right now.
Something almost always overlooked is dopamine. Every now and then you'll get someone asking why their libido is gone after a cycle despite going back to their TRT dose. The brain adapts to the increased dopamine from the testosterone and/ or other AAS. I suspect the lack of undulation in test levels from long esters is the reason for the lack of libido over time. If testosterone doesn't "drop" then the brain doesn't get a break. I bet a 4 week break from TRT would have things return to "normal" again. But if one can PCT and produce their own test with HCG and/ or enclomiphene why the need for TRT? One of the many reasons why I think TRT (solo) is not ideal and quite frankly misused. Just my thoughts.
Inb4 sensitivity isn't a thing.
right on
thats how I started @ 20mg prop E0D but then started to get flu like symptoms about ten days in
I loved the feel of it till then
important to note I still had a base 100mg cyp dose clearing my system at the time, so maybe too much test. a bit of a hyper responder here I feel
Do you still rock that protocol successfully ?
Mast was a good addition when I experimented with TRT doses to see if I could match my natural libido. It was close, but I didn't like the slight prostate enlargement and it blocks my estrogen pretty bad if I'm not careful.
HCG + TRT was was the closest to natural I could get.
Yeah blocks my estrogen hard as well. After about 2 weeks if I am not careful I feel horrible from the lack of estrogen. I notice the prostate swelling as well.
I don't remember buying any, but I must have bought some mast in one of my buys (I was looking at my stash and dreaming of the day my shoulder heals so I can run a small cycle, lol). So I think I'll give it a go again, but no more than 50 mg a week at first. So I don't have to use an ai. I find the older I get, the more I have to use. I need to take 1 mg of adex a week on 175 mg of test now, or I get light estrogen sides.
Likewise regarding masteron. I find a ratio of 5:1 Test/mast or lower is about right or by libido/estrogen
why I'm hesitant to use mast enan and prefer Proviron for added dht
Actually feels amazing compared to how I use to feel. Been so long since I felt great I'm not sure what that actually felt like. Going to try and bump it abit for the next 3 months and see if I feel better or the same.
You know it's quite interesting actually, I was on steroids for maybe 2 years straight and you get this crazy spike in libido during "blasts" and you really forget what normal is.How was your libido/sexual function on androgel?
Been on a cookie cutter prescribed 100mg(50mg 2 X) weekly cyp/eth for a decade and I felt great physically, cognitively and OK sexually, but want more there (libido, sexual) as They started to wane over time.
currently being proactive and looking to implement gel/creams and shorter acting esters (prop) for intended less aromatization and DHT increase
Got my Endocrinologist to prescribe me Androgel1% hoping I was getting cream but found out we dont have cream in Canada so got the androgel which it seems people arent too high on overall lol
Luckily I have about 10 bottles of pharma CYP on hand (ex urologist over prescribed me by mistake hence the nice stockpile
was recently implementing some low dose propionate and libido started humming but I ended up getting sick. thought initially test flu reaction to the prop and then I just got viral sick. so unsure if prop actually made me sick. Either way I decided to hit hit the brakes on the prop and get better first to make sure it wasnt prop also causing sickness with the intent of circling back when I'm 100% healthy
Currently Ive fallen back to base protocol Test Cyp 25mg E0D (90mg weekly total which is slightly less than the 100mg dose that puts me in good range for bloods) and am adding 1 pump daily of Androgel for experimental purposes
I intend to add microdoses of Prop in the next few weeks ( 5mg EOD added to cyp dose) and hoping I dont react negatively to that because the libido benefits were noticeable. I did notice a slight drop off on performance when I added propionate and scaled back weekly Cyp dose. IF i dont react negative to prop I intend to increase Propionate and take Cyp base lower
I also keep proviron on hand and find a microdose of 6.25 is noticeable for some extra dht time to time. Also have some andractim 2.5% DHT gel coming
Really looking to increase desire, libido and sex fucntion. ok to trade off a little performance if need be.
I really found to long term static dose of 100mg Cyp weekly was eroding libido and hardon quality
any thoughts, insights guys?
Once I finally quit steroids (bodybuilding) for good and got onto Androgel it was like a breath of fresh air, libido was actually very stable and normal. I will say, you are not going to get the crazy libido spikes, it just won't really happen on Androgel, but in terms of stable libido as if you were a teen again, that's what I would compare it to.
Had a bad experience with Androgel just recently.
added some into my TRT protocol for a hybid and it caused terrible thermogenic issues in the form of uncomfortable heat sensation spike whenever I increased physical activity (work or training) which in turn left me with malaise.
Stopped withing days of discontuining it.
I though it was the propionate I added so kind of relieved it was the androgel
adding small amount of prop to my enanthate protocol with some DHT gel
fingers crossed the prop works, like the libido effects of it
added some into my TRT protocol for a hybid and it caused terrible thermogenic issues in the form of uncomfortable heat sensation spike whenever I increased physical activity (work or training) which in turn left me with malaise.
Stopped withing days of discontuining it.
I though it was the propionate I added so kind of relieved it was the androgel
adding small amount of prop to my enanthate protocol with some DHT gel
fingers crossed the prop works, like the libido effects of it