I am with you ... I have had Toro for ages and it still starts on the first pull.Are they affiliated with toro mowers? If so it’s prolly top notch
I don't think he's trying to dupe people... he doesn't say anywhere that it is pharma.This is NOT real somatropin
it’s just another generic. Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest he’s trying to dupe people into believing it’s legit pharma considering who sells them. With so many generics out there why not go with a tried and true line.
If your looking for pharma, this isn’t it. If your looking for generics, there are much better options out there.
I don't think he's trying to dupe people... he doesn't say anywhere that it is pharma.
Anyway @Furius_Saturninus_Plautia, go with a well reviewed generic if you don't want to splash out on pharma. I've been using Opti's for almost 2 months, check them out... they are well reviewed everywhere.
he does make a pharma (or equivalent claim when he puts somatropin on the box.
somatropin is the name for 191aa growth hormone which is pharma growth hormone. This growth hormone is not somatropin, it’s a 192aa generic or IGF1/GHRP peptides or a combination of both, but not somatropin.
This is what worries me, shit not being hgh at all!
If you understand the intricacies behind GH, he does make a pharma (or equivalent) claim as soon as he puts somatropin on the box.
somatropin is the name for 191aa growth hormone which is pharma growth hormone. This growth hormone is not somatropin, it’s a 192aa generic or IGF1/GHRP peptides or a combination of both, but not somatropin. To say that it contains 4mg of somatropin per vial is saying that it contains 12iu of pharmacuetical grade growth hormone per vial which is completely untrue. Like I said, it’s not legit somatropin. It’s a generic 192aa growth hormone, and a shitty one at that.
what makes you certain its 192aa hgh or igf1/peptides?
191aa growth hormone is much harder to make. Huge pharmacuetical companies have gone bankrupt trying. 192aa growth hormone isn’t real growth hormone and that’s why there is no FDA approved 192aa growth hormone.
If this was real 191aa somatropin, it would be FDA approved for human consumption and sold in pharmacies. The amount of money that goes into creating and producing 191aa growth hormone and properly handling it, wouldn’t be worth it to only sell black market. If a UGL actually could produce 191aa growth hormone it would be rebranding and going to pharmacies because it would be MILLIONS of dollars of investment to make it and the only way they could make that back plus profits would be to get on pharmacy shelves.
but it’s not, it’s 192aa which is made in China for MUCH cheaper... just like every other generic out there.
could you explain why making 191aa hgh is much harder to make versus 192aa hgh
I’m not a scientist but isn’t it just one amino acid shorter?
Cool, I learnt something. Thanks!If you understand the intricacies behind GH, he does make a pharma (or equivalent) claim as soon as he puts somatropin on the box.
somatropin is the name for 191aa growth hormone which is pharma growth hormone. This growth hormone is not somatropin, it’s a 192aa generic or IGF1/GHRP peptides or a combination of both, but not somatropin. To say that it contains 4mg of somatropin per vial is saying that it contains 12iu of pharmacuetical grade growth hormone per vial which is completely untrue. Like I said, it’s not legit somatropin. It’s a generic 192aa growth hormone, and a shitty one at that.
Cool, I learnt something. Thanks!
@Cumminstech2 I am the first to admit I know very little about gh
However your making some strong statements here and that would first make me ask, what are your qualifications to make such statements?
Secondly can you be so kind as to post some links from non bodybuilding forum's that back up your claims?
I ask from a non bodybuilding forum because as most know sometimes bro science is taken as real science on a forum
Lastly I know someone with a lot more knowledge on this topic then me. I am going to reach out to them to ask them about your claims and will hopefully get him/her to write something to either refute your claims or to support your claims depending on what real science has to say on the topic
And one point I will make is I have no earthly clue if china can make legit gh or not but I know for a fact that gh is produced here in Canada by a few companies. These gh's are legit gh produced for research purposes and not sold in a pharmacy. And if we can produce GH for research purposes in Canada then its certainly possible they can do the same in China.
My opinion for people is just stay the hell away from Generics.
If they claim they produce it here, it’s probably no good.
If they come from China who knows what you are getting.
Now I don’t have proof either way on the 191/192 debate but I can note this.
Many guys have gotten IGf scores that are outstanding on some of the best generics coming from overseas. There is a common theme though. They do not get the same results as pharma. This is a very very common thing to report. Bloods look great, igf, and serum numbers sky high but results even though they are ok aren’t as good as pharma.
Also,
I don’t know how many messages I get on the 3 forums I’m on about GH.
So I will address this here if people are thinking about messaging me.
There are very few generics I would recommend, none of them are “manufactured” in Canada.
The handful I would suggest is always subject to change because it seems in the GH world a good thing never lasts.
With Generics you really don’t know what you are getting.
Now if you must do GH, and I can assure you it’s not the holy grail many believe it is. Go with pharma. Oh it’s too expensive you say??? Then guess what, you cannot afford pharma. Nor should most of us be spending that kind of money on it. Perhaps low dose for anti aging, but rev bodybuilding spending a mortgage payment or more a month on GH is stupid. And yes I have done it and it was stupid.