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fangedparabolan said:
Hey guys! I posted a while back and my cycle caught many peoples interests especially pertaining to how i was pulling it off and attenuating harm.

I have provided a rough draft below (im in academia) and thus wish to update this with more information and citations to help as many people as possible saftly utalize these substances as possible. I will update this thread as i update the writing and thank you for such a kind welcomeing into the community!

Highly recommend yall check out moleculars deep dive on tren video (100$ to whoever identifies my id in acknowledgements LOL).

During his research experiment he peaked around 2g tren testing his auxiliaries stack

Ive been doing the same and currently am on 1750mg blend of tren no ester, tren ace, tren e, and tren hex. And honestly bloodwork, urinalysis, and blood pressure are all maintaing well. No night sweats no insomnia, calm and want to cuddle with gf all day. Bf has been great at 115/70.

I work with a famous sports med doc, cardio team, and a psych and have testing done as needed on their commands

Here is an essential list for running tren as ive best come to understand the conpound

Id say:

•Telemasartan (arb/ace alts also work)
•Nebivolol
• an sglt2 inhibitor
• mra (specifically finerenone)
• cialis
• Pentoxifylline
• pcsk9 inhibitor
• ezetimide
• statin or bempedoic acid
• vescepa

The combo of an arb/ace + a beta blocker + shlt2 inhibitor, and an mra is the golden standard in both heart and kidney failure along with the research on prevention and treatment of those diagnosed with LVH including those whose is anabolic induced.

Telemasartin alone covers up to 60% of the raas cascade can be attenuated with telemasartan but this 🍃 open and allows anabolics to engage the MR. Krendia (finerenone) inhibits this thus preventing fibrosis from occuring in the kidneys and heart.

Combination of tele + finerenone risks hyperkalima and thus empagliflozin when added helps to drastically reduce this risk while also protecting the kidneys via reduction in occurrences of AKI, slowing or inhibiting ones progress to final stage kidney failure, maintaining a slower egfr decline, improves blood pressure, improves kidney oxygenation. Pentoxifylline further reduces fibrosis + oxidative stress + inflammation in the kidneys and heart! Ontop of that Pentoxifylline has been demonstrated to increase ejection fraction up to 10%. Nebivaolol lowers bp, and increases no production which cialis helps keep around longer.

Pcsk9 inhibitors + ezetimide + a statin or bempedoic acid cover all the available pathways we are aware of for the accumulation of plaque and will be required for most of us to hit a goal abo b of 55 or less to not only inhibit build up but also reverse it.

Supps:

• dual action melatonin
• creatine
• taurine
• glycine
• magnesium biglycinate
• co q 10
• pqq
• ala
• b 50 complex
• vit e (full spectrum)
• vit c
• vit d
• k2
• tmg
• tudca
• nac
• chamomile extract or apigenin (supp or via diet)
• lypocene (but get via food)
• spermadine (get via food)
• Choline (get via food)
• l theanine
• fish oil (eha, dpa, dha) 4g
• flax oil (1.6g ala total)
• liposomal sertia glutathione
• saffron
• PEA

Diet related:

- diet should be high carb, moderate to high protein and low fat with fats coming from essential fatty acid sources. Nuke saturated fat. Whole foods pescatarian based is ideal. If meat consumed the leanest meat possible like bison, elk, chicken breast

• black coffee
• green tea
• wheat germ
• soy flour or milk or protein or tvp
• raw unpasteurized buckwheat honey
• walnuts
• 100% pure dark chocolate
•garlic powder
• curicum powder
• onion powder
• oregano dried
• basically herbs/seasoning spices
• 10-15g fiber for each 1k cals
• a serving or two of berries
• 800g minimum fruits and veg a day
• cacao thats not alk and dutch pressed

^ sounds hippy but you need anti oxidents, polyphennols, phtyosterols etc etc etc

Mitchondria and heart:

• 10k steps a day
• 610 mins liss zone 2 a week
• 1-2 hiit sessions a week
• eat at maitiance or deficit or 100 cal surplus while gaining muscle

Psych:

Much has been written on the neurotoxicity of steroids and none have been memed harder (though in the literature winnie and deca seem to be worse).

Its important to note that the rat data everyone cites for trens neurotoxicity is predicated on the frequency of injections with the more frequency resulting in higher plaque levels and thus accumulation in the brain. Useing esters like hex or enanthate drastically reduces this.

Furthermore humans metabolism of tren is more similar to that of cows then rats. The cow data shows us that testosterone, esteogen and tren injected together largely ameeliorated the plaque response.

Given this tren should be utalized with testosterone + estrogen + hgh as a base regardless of use and estrogen crashing should be avoided.

To maintain proper cognitive health while on anabolics and especially tren one must:

•somethingthing for seratonin tone
• something for neurosteroids
• something for sigma 1 receptor agonism
• something for calcium channels
• something for choline
• something for nmda/glutamate
• something for amloyd and tau clearance
• something to maximize cerebral bloodflow
• something for cell membrane fluidity
• don't dopamine yourself to death
• something for reducing inflammation
• something anxiolytic
• something to regulate dopamine
• something to regulate orexin
• something to ensure sufficent estrogen
• avoid ai/serm as these inhibit endothelial no production
• something for bdnf,vegf/neurogenesis/angiogenesis
• something that replaces melatonin

Personally my base stack for this includes:
• fluovaxamine
• estrogen kept in range
• hgh
• melatonin
• high doses of magnesium, glycine, taurine
• pea
• fish oil
• saffron/apigenin/l theanine
• spermadine
• dietary choline
• Pentoxifylline + cialis

With donepezil and memantine to be added once my order arrives

so far clients have reported donezpil has been working phenomenally along with fluovaxamine at attenuating trens sided. Memantine is also recommended by molecular and has a great track record.

Sleep:

•7-9 hours
• wake up and go to bed at same time
• davigo
• hgh

Electrolytes:

• at minimum 2:1 potassium to salt
• you don't need as much salt as you think
• stop fucking using pink sal
• 1 serving of seaweed a day for iodine

As for tren stack design imo low hrt levels of test are required and with hgh as you need. Preferably a dht based drug is included (dht-e, mdht, mast, proviron to help offset mental sides) . Tren giving its higher binding affinity to ar and longer time docked and thus transcribing should be the lead anabolic in order to avoid off target effects from testosterone the dht and their down stream metabolites. Anadrol given it works off the ar is a great addiction to avoid further side effects.
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What’s the goal to this experiment if you don’t mind me asking? Does this end when your health becomes a concern? Or when you reach a certain size? Or is this over a specific amount of time?
 
Obviously a ton of info there and I for one appreciate the effort. IIRC I was one who personally requested he share these thoughts. I may be speaking out of place now but fingers crossed that this thread itself can stay "healthy". It will naturally raise some questions and concerns, I have a bunch myself already but I hope folks can take note that as far as I see he has just laid out what he is doing and not forcing anything on anyone.

This is not an endorsement of any facet of this by any means, skepticism of the dosage is obviously expected and well founded but at a glance none of the ideology of the individual harm reduction practices as they stand alone jump out at me as more than contentious. Potentially some will lead to fruitful self investigation which is why I was one of the ones to suggest he do it.
 
I understand the pushback on this idea as reckless. It is though, an experiment on efficacy.

Unless I'm mistaken, the ridiculous dosages here are an effort to get an unequivocal response in terms of the mitigating factors and drugs at play. Trying to determine if a certain protocol significantly lessens unwanted side effects may not be all that easy at lower dosages, but dial it up to 11 and you sure as shit will know if the mitigation efforts are working. I can't imagine doing even 500 tren.

Assuming great results, this wouldn't have me out there doing a gram of tren, but it would have me using ancillaries that have been shown to have some effect in terms of harm reduction. This appears to be occuring with some oversight, I'd rather see people experimenting like this than in response to the latest tren brothers video.
 
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Ill follow this. Do you have any proof your actually doing this and not just attention seeking? No disrespect or anything but I dont know you. Do you have any pics of your self or your supplement shelf or gear box? Something that could verify this?
 
fangedparabolan said:
Hey guys! I posted a while back and my cycle caught many peoples interests especially pertaining to how i was pulling it off and attenuating harm.

I have provided a rough draft below (im in academia) and thus wish to update this with more information and citations to help as many people as possible saftly utalize these substances as possible. I will update this thread as i update the writing and thank you for such a kind welcomeing into the community!

Highly recommend yall check out moleculars deep dive on tren video (100$ to whoever identifies my id in acknowledgements LOL).

During his research experiment he peaked around 2g tren testing his auxiliaries stack

Ive been doing the same and currently am on 1750mg blend of tren no ester, tren ace, tren e, and tren hex. And honestly bloodwork, urinalysis, and blood pressure are all maintaing well. No night sweats no insomnia, calm and want to cuddle with gf all day. Bf has been great at 115/70.

I work with a famous sports med doc, cardio team, and a psych and have testing done as needed on their commands

Here is an essential list for running tren as ive best come to understand the conpound

Id say:

•Telemasartan (arb/ace alts also work)
•Nebivolol
• an sglt2 inhibitor
• mra (specifically finerenone)
• cialis
• Pentoxifylline
• pcsk9 inhibitor
• ezetimide
• statin or bempedoic acid
• vescepa

The combo of an arb/ace + a beta blocker + shlt2 inhibitor, and an mra is the golden standard in both heart and kidney failure along with the research on prevention and treatment of those diagnosed with LVH including those whose is anabolic induced.

Telemasartin alone covers up to 60% of the raas cascade can be attenuated with telemasartan but this 🍃 open and allows anabolics to engage the MR. Krendia (finerenone) inhibits this thus preventing fibrosis from occuring in the kidneys and heart.

Combination of tele + finerenone risks hyperkalima and thus empagliflozin when added helps to drastically reduce this risk while also protecting the kidneys via reduction in occurrences of AKI, slowing or inhibiting ones progress to final stage kidney failure, maintaining a slower egfr decline, improves blood pressure, improves kidney oxygenation. Pentoxifylline further reduces fibrosis + oxidative stress + inflammation in the kidneys and heart! Ontop of that Pentoxifylline has been demonstrated to increase ejection fraction up to 10%. Nebivaolol lowers bp, and increases no production which cialis helps keep around longer.

Pcsk9 inhibitors + ezetimide + a statin or bempedoic acid cover all the available pathways we are aware of for the accumulation of plaque and will be required for most of us to hit a goal abo b of 55 or less to not only inhibit build up but also reverse it.

Supps:

• dual action melatonin
• creatine
• taurine
• glycine
• magnesium biglycinate
• co q 10
• pqq
• ala
• b 50 complex
• vit e (full spectrum)
• vit c
• vit d
• k2
• tmg
• tudca
• nac
• chamomile extract or apigenin (supp or via diet)
• lypocene (but get via food)
• spermadine (get via food)
• Choline (get via food)
• l theanine
• fish oil (eha, dpa, dha) 4g
• flax oil (1.6g ala total)
• liposomal sertia glutathione
• saffron
• PEA

Diet related:

- diet should be high carb, moderate to high protein and low fat with fats coming from essential fatty acid sources. Nuke saturated fat. Whole foods pescatarian based is ideal. If meat consumed the leanest meat possible like bison, elk, chicken breast

• black coffee
• green tea
• wheat germ
• soy flour or milk or protein or tvp
• raw unpasteurized buckwheat honey
• walnuts
• 100% pure dark chocolate
•garlic powder
• curicum powder
• onion powder
• oregano dried
• basically herbs/seasoning spices
• 10-15g fiber for each 1k cals
• a serving or two of berries
• 800g minimum fruits and veg a day
• cacao thats not alk and dutch pressed

^ sounds hippy but you need anti oxidents, polyphennols, phtyosterols etc etc etc

Mitchondria and heart:

• 10k steps a day
• 610 mins liss zone 2 a week
• 1-2 hiit sessions a week
• eat at maitiance or deficit or 100 cal surplus while gaining muscle

Psych:

Much has been written on the neurotoxicity of steroids and none have been memed harder (though in the literature winnie and deca seem to be worse).

Its important to note that the rat data everyone cites for trens neurotoxicity is predicated on the frequency of injections with the more frequency resulting in higher plaque levels and thus accumulation in the brain. Useing esters like hex or enanthate drastically reduces this.

Furthermore humans metabolism of tren is more similar to that of cows then rats. The cow data shows us that testosterone, esteogen and tren injected together largely ameeliorated the plaque response.

Given this tren should be utalized with testosterone + estrogen + hgh as a base regardless of use and estrogen crashing should be avoided.

To maintain proper cognitive health while on anabolics and especially tren one must:

•somethingthing for seratonin tone
• something for neurosteroids
• something for sigma 1 receptor agonism
• something for calcium channels
• something for choline
• something for nmda/glutamate
• something for amloyd and tau clearance
• something to maximize cerebral bloodflow
• something for cell membrane fluidity
• don't dopamine yourself to death
• something for reducing inflammation
• something anxiolytic
• something to regulate dopamine
• something to regulate orexin
• something to ensure sufficent estrogen
• avoid ai/serm as these inhibit endothelial no production
• something for bdnf,vegf/neurogenesis/angiogenesis
• something that replaces melatonin

Personally my base stack for this includes:
• fluovaxamine
• estrogen kept in range
• hgh
• melatonin
• high doses of magnesium, glycine, taurine
• pea
• fish oil
• saffron/apigenin/l theanine
• spermadine
• dietary choline
• Pentoxifylline + cialis

With donepezil and memantine to be added once my order arrives

so far clients have reported donezpil has been working phenomenally along with fluovaxamine at attenuating trens sided. Memantine is also recommended by molecular and has a great track record.

Sleep:

•7-9 hours
• wake up and go to bed at same time
• davigo
• hgh

Electrolytes:

• at minimum 2:1 potassium to salt
• you don't need as much salt as you think
• stop fucking using pink sal
• 1 serving of seaweed a day for iodine

As for tren stack design imo low hrt levels of test are required and with hgh as you need. Preferably a dht based drug is included (dht-e, mdht, mast, proviron to help offset mental sides) . Tren giving its higher binding affinity to ar and longer time docked and thus transcribing should be the lead anabolic in order to avoid off target effects from testosterone the dht and their down stream metabolites. Anadrol given it works off the ar is a great addiction to avoid further side effects.
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well since your cycles so simple,ill give it a shot lool, if this is what has to be done to have the look you have,well earned and you deserve it bro,jeez,but thats a lottttt of tren
 
If this guy has all the medical professionals backing him and watching everythingc that’s about as controlled as you can get whilst being completely insane lol.

Easiest way to know if he’s on this much Tren - did he start this experiment in a relationship and did he end this experiment in the same relationship.
If he answers yes, I call bullshit on the whole thing 😆😆
 
RigPig said:
If this guy has all the medical professionals backing him and watching everythingc that’s about as controlled as you can get whilst being completely insane lol.

Easiest way to know if he’s on this much Tren - did he start this experiment in a relationship and did he end this experiment in the same relationship.
If he answers yes, I call bullshit on the whole thing 😆😆
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im on 200 tren e a week,and i wish my wife would evaporate and i cant stand myself lol so this stuff makes life so much harder on everyone in your life for sure
 
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