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EastCoastMass said:
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so why test? a lab testing their own products in my personal opinion makes zero sense

and as to hate towards labs. well that is why a board like this exists. anyone can post a review of a lab. Only a fool would take one review as being a true indicator of the quality of that labs products. However if you read through this thread or any lab review thread when you see multiple individuals saying the same or similar things over and over eventually the light bulb should come on in your head and you should be able to get a sense of is this lab considered to have strong products that work well or is the general consensus that it sucks balls.
 
EastCoastMass said:
So why test ?
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Good question.

I suppose the intent is to give the customers a sense of comfort.

However this will always come under scrutiny because, as bull said, there is an ability to cherry pick the sample you send.

The only testing that’s worth anything is the testing you do and pay for yourself. That too is of little use to other members because the same could be said that you cherry picked the sample sent to provide whatever results you want.

Same goes for these home test kits etc.

While most folks may be trying to provide others with bona fide information there will always be those that wish to provide the other (mala fide) for one reason or another. And unfortunately it’s impossible to know for a fact everyone’s intentions and whether they are good or bad.

So really as bull says.... self testing doesn’t really accomplish anything because there are no measures in place that afford the integrity required for using those results for proof of anything either way.
 
EastCoastMass said:
Well it’s just I caught a lot of heat for posting a lab that’s why I said hate , I’m not here looking to argue and stir the pot I just like it to be fair, I appreciate a good solid review good or bad, but there has to be some good with the bad, the lab I got blasted for the rep asked one favour of me if when I started running it if I could get bloods and please post them , he asked to post bloods , in my books that’s shows confidence.
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So when a lab knows you are going to do bloods for them what do you think that can come of that? I imagine you're not talking about body tech asking that of you, but whatever lab it was, you should know that as soon as they know you will be testing it they can easily send you overdosed product. Same goes for Janoshik HPLC testing, its great that labs like body tech, and others that send product for testing, but tests hold way more weight if a random sample is sent by a random client who has no link to said lab and that the lab is unaware he/she will be sending a vial for testing, which leads me to point number two.

Don't you think if a lab asks you a favour it may come across that you are shilling for them when you post reviews. You worded it as doing a favour for the lab, so that leads me to believe you may have gotten free gear to post reviews?

At this point you've admitted to doing favours for a lab, which lab that is I don't know and honestly don't care because i'm not here to blast you by any means. I'm not here to give you heat, I just wanted to make those two points clear to you.
 
EastCoastMass said:
Well it’s just I caught a lot of heat for posting a lab that’s why I said hate , I’m not here looking to argue and stir the pot I just like it to be fair, I appreciate a good solid review good or bad, but there has to be some good with the bad, the lab I got blasted for the rep asked one favour of me if when I started running it if I could get bloods and please post them , he asked to post bloods , in my books that’s shows confidence.
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omg lets talk bloods

years back there was a lab that made two batches of their product. one batch was sold to vets and the other larger batch was sold to newbies like you. the newbies complained about the batch saying it was under-dosed. the vets that where taking the so called same product came down hard on the newbies. it was a long time before someone figured out what was happening

so my naive friend you need to know this is the internet and running a lab is a business. and like in any business all is not always what it seems.

now lets say you where given the better batch and had your blood work done and got great numbers
well that means jack shit around here and on the net. because blood results can be influenced by many factors and also the results can be edited and doctored.

so again bloods mean nothing. test results mean nothing
what matters is the endless stream of guys that are coming forward to say they where disapointed in the results they had with said lab and noticed a big upswing when they used another lab.
 
EastCoastMass said:
I wish I got free gear but it’s not the case, and I don’t shill for anyone , if I use the gear and think it’s shit I’m going to tell you , right now I have kratos and bodytech and they are both fine and I have Genetec and all 3 work the same , I did use a known lab and it was terrible , I won’t name them because I don’t work that way, you need to try it and form your own opinion.
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I don't recall anyone saying you got free gear? I did say that you MAY have gotten free gear, as in there was a possibility you got free gear, but I did not accuse you of getting free gear so hopefully you don't think I was attacking you there. You did however mention that you got asked to do a favour by a lab. You also didn't directly acknowledge my two factual points with any type of rebuttal. So I will point them out again to show you what I was saying

1) your blood work would mean little to nothing if the rep/lab knew ahead of time you would do blood-work (see my last post as to why)

2) your review would mean little to nothing if the rep/lab knew ahead of time you would do a review (see my last post as to why)

Does that better explain my two points?

Basically after telling us you were asked a favour to do a review by the rep/lab, it means your review holds zero and subsequent blood work holds zero weight here, cjm or anywhere else you post pictures and reviews of a lab. I do however respect you for being truthful in telling us that you were asked a favour by a lab. My apologies in advance if you think this is some sort of an attack, its actually alot of praise and respect towards you for being so transparent and honest.
 
EastCoastMass said:
Let me clairify I already had the gear before I got asked to post my bloods so there was no chance of getting the so called good batch , that could have been anyone that ordered could have been asked the same thing , to me the said lab just wanted the results out there for all to see. I said yes I would post them 100 percent I feel it’s the least I could do for the risks they take for us to provide us with the products they do, they do take a lot of risks . I won’t lie about anything and I’m an open book . I won’t throw labs under the bus I won’t talk shit about them if I have a bad experience I will talk about it in a tasteful way, same as if I have a good experience I will post it in a overly delightful way, I respect everyone’s opinions , is it a bad thing that I had a good experience with a lab that others didn’t ? I won’t cave just to become part of the group sure some have bad results with BT but I didn’t I had fine results . I’m not trying to be a trouble maker or stir the pot I won’t come here to fight over this stuff I’m too old for that, I try new labs all the time if I like it I tell it.
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I don't think anyone here is asking you to cave to give poor body tech reviews. If there are anyone like that here then I have your back.

So lets say I'm the rep/lab. Eastcoastmass does an order off me. I know who he is on multiple forums using 3 different handles. He puts in an order. I go hmm, lets wait for him to get his gear and ask this guy to do bloodwork, especially if he hides his handle on a few different forums. I already know who he is, then he orders off me, I'm sending him the gold for sure, then asking for bloodwork. Its really that easy. Does that make sense now?
 
EastCoastMass said:
I do get what your saying and I shouldn’t have to convince anyone I don’t have any hidden agendas I’m being honest as for handles let’s address that I was on forums at different times yes but there are only 2 not three , I don’t pimp any products for any lab period , I’m a nice guy and sure it’s no biggie for me to do bloods , I do them anyway , this whole thing shouldn’t be a big deal , and there are friends and favouritism on all these boards that creates mob mentality and one captain seems to steer the ship on all these boards and the crew follows . We should just try all labs choose for ourselves.
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I’m sorry eastcoast but fuck that bullshit. You are talking out of your ass my friend.

Please explain yourself and provide specific examples of your grossly generalized claims. That’s a pretty big accusation pal... so again please.... explain.

I’ve been on the boards a long fucking time...as have many of the mods here.... please enlighten me as to where this group of staff have ever qualified as friends and favouritism backing any captain. I have fucking moded or admined at multiple places over the years that have been less than friendly to each other..... why is that you think? How does that support your accusations?

Half of us have been at odds at least at one time or another before this place was created and we have put a lot of shit aside from the past so that we could work together towards a very important common goal we all believe in.

This group of staff has put a bunch of issues aside all in the interest of the same thing.... being part of creating a safe honest place to be able to learn, procure interests and have some fun along the way.

The credibility of the staff here is impeccable and beyond question. But you tell me.... shed some light.... what has be done here by this staff that supports your claims?

Suggesting anything otherwise is not only complete horseshit.... it’s fucking insulting and definitely demonstrates you have no clue about what you are talking about in this circumstance and also suggests to me that someone (who is responsible for both labs you continue to be quite vocal about) is in your ear. Yet it’s us that have agendas right?

I tried to provide you with some perspective on some things previously. I tried to offer you advice. And this is what you say.....You won’t get another fucking bit of advice, support or thought from me going forward.

You can go fuck yourself for insinuating such things.

Enjoy your ventures..... you will learn sooner or later the true cost of who you are aligning yourself with.
 
Rinor said:
What was everyone's opinion on Bodytech NPP,, before all the drama took place? Did it seem to be dosed properly? Or underdosed?
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It was underdose before the drama, the product quality has never changed, save your money.

saving $20-30 over the course of a month or 6 weeks or however long you run NPP isn't worth gaining half of what you should.

wouldnt you rather grow twice as much from your cycle for just $1 a day more (I sound like a sponsor-a-child-ad lol)
 
EastCoastMass said:
I wish I got free gear but it’s not the case, and I don’t shill for anyone , if I use the gear and think it’s shit I’m going to tell you , right now I have kratos and bodytech and they are both fine and I have Genetec and all 3 work the same , I did use a known lab and it was terrible , I won’t name them because I don’t work that way, you need to try it and form your own opinion.
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:unsure::unsure::unsure:

Also as for them going private, I know a guy who ordered from them for the first time in february and his products came this week in the mail.
And finally, when you said you know the all "all these boards work"... I know exactly what you mean I am with you that generally boards are all run the same, with an agenda and 5 or 10 people behind the lab making sure that agenda is covertly pushed throughout the board. But this one is not that way and i am not a mod, I mean fuck all to this board.

But i think Newf got rattled and encouraged you to have coitus with yourself, because this board truly isn't the same as the others and they spend a lot of damn time and effort making sure it stays that way so when you called them this board the same as the rest, some people who cherish this board took offense. I dont think anyone is hating on you or trying to discredit you... well maybe a tad, but not as bad as it would be anywhere else

... well except when I just posted your contradiction in bold literally 30 seconds ago, but that was just in good fun, Im not going to call you and idiot or an agenda pusher. Your opinion is respected here, you just seem to be sticking up for the lab pretty hard that's all man.

ANYWAYS I didn't mean to take this off track ... so lets get back to the predominantly negative reviews of these bottles of just mct oil lol
 
Let's calm the fuck down everyone.

Sorry Eastcoast.. but people were simply stating that test/bloods/reviews can all be taken with grain of salt and that the only true barometer of a products efficacy is to pin it in your veins yourself. You've taken comments and observations as personal attacks. In which your responses are triggering more attacks. Put on your critical thinking cap, stop taking things personally and think for second at what was initially being said. There as no need to interpret it as being about YOU... unless you're having issues wit your hormones! I'm being nice here.

So let's everyone put their knives away and try to get this thread back on track. MOST of us all know the rep BT has. I personally have no problem with them and their products worked for me last year. Although I suspect their orals. Oils were fine. That's not to say there are those with worse or better experiences.

People can spend their money wherever the fuck they want. Creating an online shitshow does nothing to inform the casual researcher of the value of the product. Which is what these threads should be about.

Reviews SHOULD be left people by people who have actually USED the products. Anything else isn't really helpful and hearsay.
 
EastCoastMass said:
@eazy57 thank you ! You came at me with respect and dignity I know exactly what your saying ! I would like to move on if possible.
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We all came at you with respect. I don't know where I said anything to attack you. If you think I did then as easy said check your hormones. Anyhow, we all know you've done the favour that was asked of you to post a review on multiple boards, thank you for that, and now there is no further need for you to review said lab(s) or post blood work as it literally would mean nothing at this point as I've already explained why. Thanks for your contribution, now lets move on. If you continue to post reviews then I'm sure you'll continue to be met with resistance. I've come at you with respect as well, but if you continue to play this victim/innocent role nonsense I promise the respect will go out the window. Deal? Deal! Back to body tech reviews...
 
EastCoastMass said:
@biguglynewf i didn’t mean to piss you off or anyone else for that matter I also enjoy this board but attacking me for my beliefs isn’t right , I’d be more than happy to talk to you in private , your a mod right ? But it wasn’t the most professional way to speak to somebody on an open fourm , if you talk to me that way what will new members think coming in ? I respect what you have to say but some matters should be hashed out in private. I know you have a passions for this but some things need to be let go , I even still have respect for some of the guys here that bashed me , not once have I called anyone names or spoke out of turn to anyone never spoke like a common thug .
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I too have spoke to you in private and tried to explain some things to you.

I never bashed you. Not before you called into question the integrity of the staff here.

You did that. Not I. So you publicly make those statements but fault me because my thoughts about what you said should somehow by your rulebook should have been private.

I said if in my pm to you and I will say it here again.

1) I take no issue with whichever brands or brands you choose to use. I might disagree with you and I might even have some words about my disagreement. That’s not attacking you. If you’re going to survive on any forum you’re going to have to grown some thicker skin.

2) I have worked long and hard for more than a decade to try to make these boards a safe and fun place for people. I have helped people when they were scammed, I have help chase scammers and low life’s from the community. I have taken the time to try to right the paths of those who were making mistakes. Why? Because it’s the right thing to do. No I seldom use the velvet glove approach. It’s not me. I am what I am and I’m comfortable with that. You don’t have to like me. Many don’t. But most respect me.

My integrity means a whole lot to me. So when you call my integrity into question in a public forum.... you better believe you’re going to be called out on that sir. Each and every single time. Perhaps you didn’t fully understand exactly what you were saying when you made your statements. Perhaps.... if in fact that was the case..... you shoul choose your words more wisely before posting them. By saying what you did you insinuated that the staff here has no integrity and an agenda. Anyone who know anything about myself and other staff here will certainly know that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Lastly you make comments about my professionalism. My level of professionalism can be a little rough around the edges at times. However what you get from me is honest and real. It might make some uncomfortable, but better that than fake and bullshit because it makes people feel better. I’m a non believer in that and I treat people the way I expect to be treated. Respect goes a long way with me. You had no place making that statement without knowledge on the subject. You got back what you put out there.

I hold no issues against you and I’d fight tooth and nail for you tomorrow if I thought someone did you wrong. But don’t ever expect not to hear my thoughts about it when I believe you are way way way out of line.
 
I got my order from bt about 2 weeks ago from them!I pinned 1 cc of cyp ,as I was pinning there was a real bad burn .Pulled back the plunger like I always do ,no blood not even on exit .The next day pip ,bad pip to the point that I could hardly walk for 1 week !I thought it was the oil mct because the other stuff I was using was grape seed oil!So, I decided to give another go and the same thing burning and pip!I contacted them and the guy who answered said this !


Body Tech
Fri, Jul 5, 12:54 PM (5 days ago)

to me





Burned on injection?
That is unheard of. Even if you were allergic, no injection should ever burn while injecting
If it's hurting as your injecting that means you are injecting into a vein or artery and that will inflame big time
Unless you are injecting something with guaicol, no injection should ever hurt while you're injecting





Mind you! I have been injecting for a very long time .I tried their pornstar as well, doesn't do shit !I have also arimidex from them I ain't even gonna chance it !It's all going in the trash !
 
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