ABMonkey: Go time

Start of week 9​
Weight:219.6
Weight gain seems to have stalled but the past two weekends meals have been adhoc & spaced out due to hunting taking over. Will be back on track as of now and will be speaking to FM to get daily cals increased.

Training:
Training is going well and strength/endurance keeps increasing every session

Physical:
Had a few comments now regarding body looks & changes - noticeably chest/arms/back have increased size wise. Legs need more work, as always.

AAS/Ancillaries
- Started HCG @ 250iu every pin day. Both to aid with recovery and get nuts back.
- Started Arimidex @ .25mg EOD

Other comments
Sent full blood panel off this morning. Took bloods prior to pinning HCG and first adex dose. Think E2 was elevated prior due to more irritability - decided to start low dose adex with the introduction of HCG.

Will try and use this template weekly now.
 
Start of week 10​
Weight: 220.2

Training:
Good.
Strong.
Feel like I could stay in the gym for hours (except on leg days)

Physical:
Feeling much bigger and definitely more confident in the gym - this probably comes with strength gains I think. The fat seems to be staying off and am becoming leaner.

AAS/Ancillaries
- HCG @ 250iu every pin day. Will push this to 250 MWF when work finishes up
- Arimidex @ .25mg EOD (and so far so good. Not nearly as irrtiable)

Other comments
- Should have bloods back in the next week. This will help me decide whether to run it for 16 weeks or not. As of right now I'm heading that way, feeling good & strong with gains keeping on coming.
 
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Trying to keep the logs to a once week thing so it doesn't get to clogged up. Strength & endurance today was the best I have felt - just failed to tire.

Still waiting for bloods off last Monday...
 
And still waiting for fucking bloods......

Have a feeling I jumped the gun with rhe arimidex dosing. Probably should have went with the HCG before starting them at the same time. Given I displayed no signs of high E2 (- slight irritability but this could be attributed to high test also) or bloods showing it significantly raised I may not have needed it even with the introduction of HCG. Contemplating dropping the adex as joints are little achey & lips are dry.

Will update with more detail on weekly update but training is going really well & constantly getting stronger and stronger each workout.
 
Start of week 11
Weight: 222

Training:
Really good week. Strength just keeps going up and doesnt seem to be plateauing - I am for sure pushing that bit harder as I know I'm on cycle and theres no excuse. Last week at work this week then off for 3 weeks so will be able to spend more time in the gym and get more stretching/yoga/cardio in.

Physical:
Took pictures again this morning. Good progress has been made since week 5 and measurements continuing to grow also. "Achey" joints and muscles Friday - Sunday though I will touch on this below. Failing to get super tired at the gym which is great.

AAS/Ancillaries
- HCG @ 250iu every pin day. Will push this to 250 MWF when work finishes up. Missed last Friday's HCG 250iu pin. Now have HG HCG so dosing should not be an issue
- Arimidex @ .25mg EOD.Dropped. So as mentioned above I'm attributing the achey joints/muscles and dry lips down to low E2. Appreciate that it's incredibly hard to pinpoint E2 without BW but it's just a feel I had - given my BW at week 5 shows that E2 had hardly budged at all I'm willing to drop the adex and let it climb a little bit.. given HCG shouldn't increase it all that much. If BW from week 9 trough rolls in and shows really elevated E2 I will start adex @ .25 E3.5D. No achey joints or muscles today + skipped usual adex dose. Possibly placebo at this point.

Other comments
- Still waiting on week 9 bloods
- Plan to run 16 weeks (unless bloods are atrocious)
- More bloods for week 13/14 + PCT
- PCT is going to be 6 weeks, Nolva @ 20x6
 
ABMonkey said:
Start of week 11
Weight: 222

Training:
Really good week. Strength just keeps going up and doesnt seem to be plateauing - I am for sure pushing that bit harder as I know I'm on cycle and theres no excuse. Last week at work this week then off for 3 weeks so will be able to spend more time in the gym and get more stretching/yoga/cardio in.

Physical:
Took pictures again this morning. Good progress has been made since week 5 and measurements continuing to grow also. "Achey" joints and muscles Friday - Sunday though I will touch on this below. Failing to get super tired at the gym which is great.

AAS/Ancillaries
- HCG @ 250iu every pin day. Will push this to 250 MWF when work finishes up. Missed last Friday's HCG 250iu pin. Now have HG HCG so dosing should not be an issue
- Arimidex @ .25mg EOD.Dropped. So as mentioned above I'm attributing the achey joints/muscles and dry lips down to low E2. Appreciate that it's incredibly hard to pinpoint E2 without BW but it's just a feel I had - given my BW at week 5 shows that E2 had hardly budged at all I'm willing to drop the adex and let it climb a little bit.. given HCG shouldn't increase it all that much. Guess you will find out through testing, not a given but man you are doing a great job of approaching this all. Normally one of the golden rules is only using one thing at a time but the amount of testing and the way you are timing it should provide more valuable info than most guys who stuck to that rule but didn't do BW. Bravo, I hope a lot of first timers see your thread and take a similar approach, it's a great example If BW from week 9 trough rolls in and shows really elevated E2 I will start adex @ .25 E3.5D. No achey joints or muscles today + skipped usual adex dose. Possibly placebo at this point.

Other comments
- Still waiting on week 9 bloods
- Plan to run 16 weeks (unless bloods are atrocious)
- More bloods for week 13/14 + PCT
- PCT is going to be 6 weeks, Nolva @ 20x6
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Bloodwork​
These bloods are from week 9 trough, 72hrs from last pin of test cyp 250. The bloods only are solely test, no AI or HCG. I started HCG + Arimidex after this blood was drawn.

- Testosterone: 1501 ng/dl
- Oestradiol: 80pg
- SHBG:1206ng/dl
-Prolactin: 876miu/L (86-324)

Lipids/Heart check came back as good apart from high cholesterol/LDL - just out of range.

So E2 is high and Prolactin is high. I'm assuming that once I bring E2 down, prolactin should fall with it too. Given that I skipped an adex .25 yesterday I started it back up today - I thought I had low E2 but turns out the symptoms may have infact been high. E2 management is finicky as and I would NOT want to be doing this without BW. I'm planning to get more BW in 2 weeks when E2 should be under control and prolactin (I hope) should be lower.

▪Can anyone offer any insight as to why you would think Prolactin is high?

Ancillaries:
- Resuming adex at. 25 EOD (may up this to .5 EOD)
- Starting P5P as soon as I buy some 200mg twice a day.
 
Should have P5P as of tomorrow so will start dosing Friday. As above going to continue .25 Adex EOD as I feel this will give the most accurate results when next bloods are drawn. A methodic/scientifically approach has been taken thus far and I'd like to keep it that way moving forward. Whilst E came back elevated I think it was important to know how I responded to test alone, and after week 5 bloods why would I start dosing AI?

This week as been awesome in the gym. PR's with incline DB press, Squats and continuing to move a lot of weight across the board. Really digging the program and results are coming - coupled with a solid diet.

This forum is great and really does contain an awful amount of knowledge. Thanks to all for the help this far, you guys know who you are. Goes to show that if you're willing to put in a little bit of effort yourself, others will be there to help.

4 more weeks to go.....
 
ABMonkey said:
Thanks. How's your training going - any closer to pulling the pin?
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Trainings going well; just “lean bulking” w/ the old gym bro supps— creative/whey. I’ve had way to many events, and back to school distractions..figured it wasn’t the best time to pull the pin just yet. Definitely on the horizon as one of my good friends has recently pulled it, so I’ve been talking to him and keenly following this awesome log.
 
Week 12​
Weight: 224

Training:
Once again, more PR's broken. It's like the increase in strength doesn't hold back. Definitely having a lot of fun in the gym.

Physical:
Feeling great. Christmas time is always a positive time for me so being on cycle this time of year is great. Balls a hanging really high, which I have read as being a side of high E2, so we'll see if this sorts itself out with the new AI protocol.

AAS/Ancillaries
- HCG @ 250iu EOD for the final 4 weeks of cycle.
- Arimidex @ .5 EOD but transitioning over to Aromasin (now that I have some). The use of aromasin will make transitioning over into PCT relatively straightforward.

Other comments
- Will give it a week or two then pull next bloods. Opted only for an E2/Prolactin test thing time around in the hopes to save a bit of cash.
 
Thank you for putting in the effort to share the details of your protocol and results. I’ve been following along here and elsewhere. Really excited to see where you land and to hear your perspective on E control, HCG and PCT when you are all done. I’ve been holding off for a long time, but your protocol is practically identical to what I have drafted up.
 
Matlock said:
Thank you for putting in the effort to share the details of your protocol and results. I’ve been following along here and elsewhere. Really excited to see where you land and to hear your perspective on E control, HCG and PCT when you are all done. I’ve been holding off for a long time, but your protocol is practically identical to what I have drafted up.
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Thanks man.

Yeah for sure, aiming to be as thorough as possible.
 
Week 13​

Weight: 224.6 (+ a bit of Christmas day weight haha)
Fat is staying off, diet has been pretty good.

Training: Now that I'm off work I have more time in the gym and am totally loving it. It sounds repetitive and I'm boring myself how often I'm saying it but more PR's broken this week. Never really trained for strength at all but now it's starting to become enjoyable. Smashed previous squat & bench PR this week. More cardio now that snowboarding season is upon us + ensuring that I'm on the treadmill at least 20mins a session.

Physical: I feel the real physical changes happened last week and are really getting going now (man it's only taken 12 fucking weeks). All of my Tshirts are too fucking small now however pants still fit great (my waist has hardly changed in size). Managed to put almost an inch onto arms which is awesome as they were definitely a lagging area.

AAS/Ancillaries -
HCG @ 250iu EOD now. Can confirm nuts are back up to full size!!!!
Aromasin @ 12.5 EOD. Will adjust when more bloods are taken but right now feeling pretty great.
P5P @ 100mg/day. Started this when prolactin came back raised.

Updates are sporadic over the Christmas period as I like to shut myself off to social media whilst on holiday (+ limit all phone time). The gains are still coming and training still going hard. Rolling into the last 3 weeks now...
 
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Week 14​

Weight: 225.3
Will be speaking to funnyman next week to tweak the diet a little bit to have a minor recomp prior to going on vacation. I'm amazed at how little fat it feels like I've put on, especially over the holiday period.

Training: Now hitting 2 plate bench for reps and sets, nearly at a 3 plate squat and using the 100's for inclines. Have never trained for strength so this is interesting progress for me. Still hitting plenty of cardio though have been slacking on the stretching.

Physical: What I have noticed over the past two weeks is that my libido is sky high again - it's as high as it was at week 4. The only things that have changed over that period is I'm now using Genetec test cyp and have also been controlling E2. I'm not going to make any assumptions but make of that what you will.. seems everytime I think something, it's actually the opposite so we'll wait for next bloods to roll in. Balls are big and hanging low again.. they were really high and tiny for a while. Still feeling great & mood is fantastic - I did notice at the week 7/8 mark I was more irritable which i think was down to high E2.

AAS/Ancillaries
Test Cyp 250 (Genetec)
HCG @ 250iu EOD (Bayer)
Aromasin @ 12.5 EOD (Genetec)
P-5-P @ 100mg ED

PS. Huge fan of HCG... absolutely amazing how quickly it filled nuts back up and in turn offers I believe a good mental, feel good factor. Also makes me feel very confident leading into PCT. Cant recommend it enough and feel it should be included in any cycle - especially if you're going to be PCT and not TRT'ing.
 
Bloodwork​

These bloods are from week 14 trough, 72hrs from last pin of test cyp 250. Shown are bloods is approx 4 weeks of AI usage.

Oestradiol: 36pg (WK9: 80pg)
Prolactin: 371miu/L (WK9: 876miu/L)
LH/FSH: 0.3 (WK9: 0.3)

Ancillaries/AAS used:
Arimidex @ .5 EOD week 9-11
Aromasin @ 12.5 week 11-14
HCG @ 250iu x2/week 9-14
Test Cyp 250 x2/week
P-5-P @ 100mg/day week 10-14

I transitioned over to aromasin from arimidex.

Overall really happy with results from this BW and happy with my E2 number. Feel like it can stay there as I feel really good and having no problems. AI dosing seems to well dialed in now and prolactin has been taken care of. As expected when E2 dropped so did prolactin - maybe the P5P assisted this?

Many thanks for the help thus for helping me get AI dialed in.. you guys know who you are.
 
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