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Aside from blood pressure and high cholesterol I always thought the biggest heart health risk was oxidative stress no? Other then deca causing hyper excessive collagen deposition.
 
BIGNEWF said:
But he also went crazy from it for a while , and I like Mike , I don’t see how anyone couldn’t go crazy off that stuff.
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Bigbear said:
Aside from blood pressure and high cholesterol I always thought the biggest heart health risk was oxidative stress no? Other then deca causing hyper excessive collagen deposition.
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High cholesterol from what they are saying nowadays is healthy.
 
BIGNEWF said:
High cholesterol from what they are saying nowadays is healthy.
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Well what i understand is there is two types of ldl large fluffy particles which arr safe and small drmse particles which are more risky. ldl isnt bad alone but if it becomes oxidized it becomes dangerous. The more ldl you have the more of it thats there and available to become oxidised?? So reguler ldl hdl blood tests arnt accurate and more of a guessing game but apo a and apo b are better. That and inflamatory markers such as c-reactive protein
 
fangedparabolan said:
Yes those 3 would be major ones based on the historical literature but we are now learning about dht being cardiotoxic itself, steroids hitting and growing the heart via ar and mr, thick blood itself raising the loads and all mixing to generate fibrosis.

Classical methods like ekg, echo, holtor, bloods and urinalysis won't exactly pick up on fibrosis and scarring.

The reason the auxiliary drug stack increases in size unfortunately is because we are simply finding new pathways we may have only had theory or mechanism to suggest.

Its really not ideal and honestly is off putting to myself but i think as we continue to progress our understanding of our physiology anabolics will be approached even more carefully than now.

It was a cool experiment but the process has actually reduced the total compounds im willing to run further.

Prior i hadn't touched most fat burners or stims and left a few anabolics on the table. Hadn't touched 99% of peptides or sarms. Now deff leaving more on the table a few more anabolics lol.
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Lvh can be healed by resting it correct? The same as any muscle hypertrophy. Athletes heart syndrom might look similar on paper but I think is actually benign in a sense that the heart is enlarged from exercise but not causing ilany damage or reduction of its ability to function properly
 
Bigbear said:
Well what i understand is there is two types of ldl large fluffy particles which arr safe and small drmse particles which are more risky. ldl isnt bad alone but if it becomes oxidized it becomes dangerous. The more ldl you have the more of it thats there and available to become oxidised?? So reguler ldl hdl blood tests arnt accurate and more of a guessing game but apo an and apo b are better. That and inflamatory markers such as c-reactive protein
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Ya ldl hdl
 
We know aas gives us more red blood cells , that along with pushing limits in a gym will do things to a heart. Just my opinion.
 
I appreciated the intense pharma protocol posted originally, i still disagree with shelving current "natural product" protocols.
When the natural products arent enough to keep you numbers in check, then and only then should someone jump to the pharmaceutical selection.

All depends on the level of abuse your on.
Thats my opinion.
 
fangedparabolan said:
What happens when you don't listen:

Thread 'Blood Pressure medication.' https://canadianbrawn.com/threads/blood-pressure-medication.9195/

Thread 'Blood Pressure Last Night' https://canadianbrawn.com/threads/blood-pressure-last-night.18537/

Thread 'Increasing hdl' https://canadianbrawn.com/threads/increasing-hdl.17994/

Again zero excuses for this in 2026 the science is know. The protocols are known and medically substantiated and validated.
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Theres a big issue i find though these days with statin toxicity and high cholesterol levels and their correlation with longevity. Basicly pick a camp and ride it out but im on the statin and blood pressure medication side.
 
fangedparabolan said:
Most of the issues are grifters manipulating data!

Statin toxicity to the brain aka the brain fog is a non- issue just lower dose to where it goes away or use bempedoic acid instead. Or use a statin thats hydrophilic to avoid BBB. Ontop of that the muscle aches and damage is mostly placebo in all the literature and we can do genetic testing to see who actually suffers from it. I am one of such people and have it so repatha is free. Anyone who is statin resistant can get repatha covered by gov or insurance aka they are lying if they claim intolerance and dont use repatha.

Cholesterol levels are low in sick populations. People confuse the correlation with cause. Low cholesterol is good if its diet, exercise, and drug induced the bodies cells can manufacture all they need to be self sufficient in the case of a statin being used. Low cholesterol is bad if its caused by cancer or illness.

Basically one camp i.e. pro statin is correct the other is unfortunately and pardon my language retarded
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My wifes mom and my old butchers mom both got global amnesia from statins. Plus the aching muscles. Aching muscles was relieved by taking coenzyme q10, as it is proven to be depleated by statins.

Both discontinued taking statins because it bothered them that they would lose a couple hours of memory once in a while.

As an example, wifes mom cleaned the whole house, didn’t remember doing it. One minute she was watching tv, next she was putting away cleaning supplies.
 
fangedparabolan said:
www.health.harvard.edu

CoQ10 supplements unlikely to benefit statin users - Harvard Health

The dietary supplement CoQ10 does not seem to help prevent muscle pain associated with taking cholesterol-lowering statins....
www.health.harvard.edu www.health.harvard.edu

news.ubc.ca

UBC researchers uncover how statins harm muscles—and how to stop it - UBC News

Study reveals how cholesterol-lowering drugs can trigger muscle damage—and point to a way to make them safer.
news.ubc.ca news.ubc.ca
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Worked for the two people I suggested it for. So I would still suggest it in the future. Not like coenzyme will harm you.
 
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