Considering BPC157 for Hip Arthritis - need advice

[The Old Guy]

Look into MUSE Stem cell treatment. Lots of medical tourism place offer this.

Muse stem cells are actually able to become the cells they are trying to repair where regular stem cells only help with mitochondrial repair or speeding it up.

Listen to Rogan podcast with Brigham Buhler. Probably spelled wrong.

 

[The Old Guy]

Ok I found for you guys. Fuck I got to do everything around here.

I found this really interesting for neurology disorders as my dad has Parkinson’s.

 

[SteveM]

Look into MUSE Stem cell treatment. Lots of medical tourism place offer this.

Muse stem cells are actually able to become the cells they are trying to repair where regular stem cells only help with mitochondrial repair or speeding it up.

Listen to Rogan podcast with Brigham Buhler. Probably spelled wrong.

Interesting....I wonder how long this has been around.

 

[SteveM]

Ok I found for you guys. Fuck I got to do everything around here.

I found this really interesting for neurology disorders as my dad has Parkinson’s.

Thanks for the vid old guy ! although I think your younger than I am !

 

[The Old Guy]

Thanks for the vid old guy ! although I think your younger than I am !

Possibly. It’s more of a nick name of sorts.

 

[Leolkn]

Hi Guys - I'm almost 60 - have minor hip arthritis in both hips - sometimes I feel it at night - sometimes bad depending on my diet -I take Ibuprofen sometime - and Aleve sometimes. Left hip has an impingement - which is a real pita. I had knee surgery for torn meniscus 9 months back - surgeon said I could definitely use a new hip - he is glad to do it. But I'm not too hip on that - pun intended. I'm not retired and run my own business - no benefits.

Left hip joint has narrowed - but I'm still doing squats (albeit light) - and lunges - and other exercises also - I do have an inversion bed I use on a constant basis for lower back pain from working in a tobacco field in my 20's. Surgeon said once I get a new hip - I can't use the inversion table due to dislocation possibilities. Considering a arthroscopic hip specialist to see if I can have the impingement trimmed -hoping anyway.

My son suggested the 157 for the hip arthritis - I've done some internet searching - looks like an injection in the hip area is best. Is this a good idea ? Is this stuff good for arthritis like this ? I've never injected before - or taken any ped's before - so I'm completely new. Has 157 been around for a long time ?

If this is a good idea to try - I'd need suggestions on a vendor - how to inject -when & how much to inject - how to mix it with bac etc etc. Should I start with 1 hip first ?

Any help or advice is greatly appreciated !

Hey man,

I wanted to share my experience with this. I have 6 herniated discs in my lower back, and at one point I lost movement in my right leg for almost 5 months because of nerve damage. That’s actually how I discovered BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, KPV and HGH.

For me, they made a huge difference but only during my second cycle. The first time, I stayed with the lower “standard” doses (around 500mcg twice a day) and honestly didn’t notice much improvement.

Later, I started diving deeper into peptides and came across Alex Kikel. One thing he talks about a lot is how recovery works best when everything is aligned together, not just relying on the peptides alone.

Personally, I only started seeing real results when I combined everything consistently:

- Red light therapy twice a day (morning and before bed, directly on my lower back)
- Sauna 2x per week
- Proper diet with high protein, carbs, and healthy fats
- Minimum 10k steps daily
- Weightlifting 3–4x per week

My second cycle was what people now call “KLOW + HGH” was where I noticed the biggest improvement of my life. I was taking 4mg daily of each peptide, split into two doses (morning and night) and 2iu of GH before bed.

It definitely wasn’t cheap, and it wasn’t the easiest protocol to follow, but honestly… it gave me my life back.

Today I’m able to do:
- Grappling 5x per week
- Weightlifting 4x per week
- 1 weekly run with my wife and dog

I’d recommend doing a lot of research on it first and seeing if it makes sense for you financially and personally. My DMs are always open if you need anything, brother.

Wishing you the best sir!

 

[SteveM]

Hey man,

I wanted to share my experience with this. I have 6 herniated discs in my lower back, and at one point I lost movement in my right leg for almost 5 months because of nerve damage. That’s actually how I discovered BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, KPV and HGH.

For me, they made a huge difference but only during my second cycle. The first time, I stayed with the lower “standard” doses (around 500mcg twice a day) and honestly didn’t notice much improvement.

Later, I started diving deeper into peptides and came across Alex Kikel. One thing he talks about a lot is how recovery works best when everything is aligned together, not just relying on the peptides alone.

Personally, I only started seeing real results when I combined everything consistently:

- Red light therapy twice a day (morning and before bed, directly on my lower back)
- Sauna 2x per week
- Proper diet with high protein, carbs, and healthy fats
- Minimum 10k steps daily
- Weightlifting 3–4x per week

My second cycle was what people now call “KLOW + HGH” was where I noticed the biggest improvement of my life. I was taking 4mg daily of each peptide, split into two doses (morning and night) and 2iu of GH before bed.

It definitely wasn’t cheap, and it wasn’t the easiest protocol to follow, but honestly… it gave me my life back.

Today I’m able to do:
- Grappling 5x per week
- Weightlifting 4x per week
- 1 weekly run with my wife and dog

I’d recommend doing a lot of research on it first and seeing if it makes sense for you financially and personally. My DMs are always open if you need anything, brother.

Wishing you the best sir!

Damn - that sounds heavy duty - glad you found something that works - lower back is an absolute mean bitch to deal with - and I've been there. Only thing that keeps me sane is hanging upsidedown.

It sounds like the GH really made a difference for you - have you done anything else for your back - ie operations - injections ? I take it you inject the peptides directly into your back ?

 

[Leolkn]

Damn - that sounds heavy duty - glad you found something that works - lower back is an absolute mean bitch to deal with - and I've been there. Only thing that keeps me sane is hanging upsidedown.

It sounds like the GH really made a difference for you - have you done anything else for your back - ie operations - injections ? I take it you inject the peptides directly into your back ?

Everything that is I have done for my back bro. Had an inversion table at home for almost 8months. Didn’t help. Heard really good things for others just didn’t work for myself.

GH is life. Just make sure you find YOUR dosage without side effects.

 

[SteveM]

Everything that is I have done for my back bro. Had an inversion table at home for almost 8months. Didn’t help. Heard really good things for others just didn’t work for myself.

GH is life. Just make sure you find YOUR dosage without side effects.

Leolkn - what happened to your back that caused you the herniated discs ?

The GH- I've been reading some posts about it - and about some of the side effects - is the GH actually healing your discs ?

 

[Lopezeked]

BPC-157 can help with healing but won't reverse arthritis. Get an X-ray first and consider stacking with TB-500 for better results.

 

[Goldenrod]

There are lots of peptide companies to chose from - not just GG's. Not that they aren't great but @SteveM spend the time to read, talk to people, nothing wrong with asking an opinion. I can list 4-5 peptide companies I consider legit including GG's, if you have a question send me a PM or we can openly speak about it here.
Due to a meniscus tear, I gave up on specific kicks and have been using that leg for front kicks and knees only. Murphy's law, I am now developing a sore hip too. Nothing terrible, but I am going to rehab this week to get a rehab program, visit my friend who is a neurological osteopath and will be using some peptides. The peptides help heal but depending on the degree of degeneration - it is hard to rebuild a joint. Your tendons and muscles can be strengthened / help keep joint integrity, etc.
Did you have an X-ray of your hips to get a formal diagnosis and what degree of arthritis you have. There are non surgical treatments and people have taken their arthritis from a grade 4 to a much better number. One friend went from a 4 to a 1, but he spent a ton of money and used a lot of expensive modalities most can't afford.

Good luck whatever you do. I concur with @Vitko - TB500 has its place with many injuries. I would use different dosages based on what works best for my weight / injection frequency. I use more than the average person.

@SteveM - since posting this and still waiting for another MRI and to see an Orthopedic doctor, a guy at the gym was doing some very 'unique' mobility and strength exercises. I 'know' him and asked him why and he said he has read/watched just about everything Ben Patrick / knees over toes guy has produced (he has knee and hip issues). There are a couple other guys who are excellent too and he made hour long videos with them.
I started slow and am just a month into it. Would have to look into the exact date, but it hasn't been that long. I considered myself flexible before, but my hips were never great for specific kicks or specific stances. Lower back putting my pelvis and legs into the wrong position, toes/ankles/knee/hip flexibility/mobility/strength have all improved. I highly recommend starting sled work - backwards and pushing. I use bands because there are no sleds at the gym.
I am back to a total leg day but it is not hypertrophy based but you can still grow. Expect DOMS as you will be using muscles/strengthening ligaments/tendons/joints and pushing your joints past what most people do. Start very slow, if you decide to do it, and just add in one movement a day. My hip pain is 100% gone, my lower back pain is pretty much non-existent, and my knee pain and ability to put stress on each one is much better.

The leg day is about 45 minutes because it involved a lot of mobility which you don't realize but is vastly increasing your flexibility and the strengthening exercises make what was a 5-7 on the pain scale reduce to 1-2 or it has for me.
My right hip was so bad, that basic sitting on your butt and moving both knees to the floor, to the left/right, with my back straight was not possible without pain. Now I can do it with ease.
It is much like progressive overload with weights - slowly adding in exercises and increasing the depth you go. It would take a few pages so I would recommend watching some of his videos.
I do backwards and forward sled work every workout day, all mobility drills between my upper body work, and do the strengthening ligament/tendon/joint muscle work for my legs 3 times per week.
Your workouts may be a little longer because you are ready to do the strengthening exercises for your lower body at the end of your upper body days. You already did all the mobility work between sets. It is just 2 exercises and I am still in the infancy stage, so on the non leg day - I do not push it too hard. On my leg day which is one of the three hip/knee/ankle/toes I push it to failure.
If too much damage is done, there is a limitation on how much you can get back, but I had no idea how much seated cable good mornings and seated deadlifts would increase my mobility/flexibility/strength in my hips/groin/lower back.
It goes against what has been preached for decades, but I was either going under the knife or trying this. I will continue with hopes it continues to improve.
It is worth trying as you really have nothing to lose. Do not push yourself too fast with too much pain or you could get frustrated and quit.

Good luck.

 

[SteveM]

@SteveM - since posting this and still waiting for another MRI and to see an Orthopedic doctor, a guy at the gym was doing some very 'unique' mobility and strength exercises. I 'know' him and asked him why and he said he has read/watched just about everything Ben Patrick / knees over toes guy has produced (he has knee and hip issues). There are a couple other guys who are excellent too and he made hour long videos with them.
I started slow and am just a month into it. Would have to look into the exact date, but it hasn't been that long. I considered myself flexible before, but my hips were never great for specific kicks or specific stances. Lower back putting my pelvis and legs into the wrong position, toes/ankles/knee/hip flexibility/mobility/strength have all improved. I highly recommend starting sled work - backwards and pushing. I use bands because there are no sleds at the gym.
I am back to a total leg day but it is not hypertrophy based but you can still grow. Expect DOMS as you will be using muscles/strengthening ligaments/tendons/joints and pushing your joints past what most people do. Start very slow, if you decide to do it, and just add in one movement a day. My hip pain is 100% gone, my lower back pain is pretty much non-existent, and my knee pain and ability to put stress on each one is much better.

The leg day is about 45 minutes because it involved a lot of mobility which you don't realize but is vastly increasing your flexibility and the strengthening exercises make what was a 5-7 on the pain scale reduce to 1-2 or it has for me.
My right hip was so bad, that basic sitting on your butt and moving both knees to the floor, to the left/right, with my back straight was not possible without pain. Now I can do it with ease.
It is much like progressive overload with weights - slowly adding in exercises and increasing the depth you go. It would take a few pages so I would recommend watching some of his videos.
I do backwards and forward sled work every workout day, all mobility drills between my upper body work, and do the strengthening ligament/tendon/joint muscle work for my legs 3 times per week.
Your workouts may be a little longer because you are ready to do the strengthening exercises for your lower body at the end of your upper body days. You already did all the mobility work between sets. It is just 2 exercises and I am still in the infancy stage, so on the non leg day - I do not push it too hard. On my leg day which is one of the three hip/knee/ankle/toes I push it to failure.
If too much damage is done, there is a limitation on how much you can get back, but I had no idea how much seated cable good mornings and seated deadlifts would increase my mobility/flexibility/strength in my hips/groin/lower back.
It goes against what has been preached for decades, but I was either going under the knife or trying this. I will continue with hopes it continues to improve.
It is worth trying as you really have nothing to lose. Do not push yourself too fast with too much pain or you could get frustrated and quit.

Good luck.

So your doing backwards sled pulling - and also pushing -but your doing it with bands ? You do this every day ? for how long.

 

[Goldenrod]

So your doing backwards sled pulling - and also pushing -but your doing it with bands ? You do this every day ? for how long.

I take the stretchiest band (buy good ones and check them for micro tears daily), at a place in the gym you can walk back and forth, just hook it to the wall. Most gyms have hooks or hand rails which work great. Then put the back around your waist and walk backwards when you hit the stage you can't walk any further backwards, control the walk back with small steps. Just keep repeating this for 10 minutes backwards, and then do the same except turn and walk forwards and control the descent back to no stretch. You get a workout back and forth. I am now using the next band which is much thicker and you get a good pump in your legs. It also works your hips/groin, etc.
Very simple movement but start with a minute both ways, then 2,3,4....until you hit 10 minutes both ways. Do more if you want.
I would rather a sled and will make one for home, but for now bands are a known alternative. This is not an easy movement when you hit the full stretch of the band and your pushing power/pulling strength will increase over time. If you have a large area to walk, you can attach two bands and the tension is less and just keeps getting more and more the further you go.
Simple movement but amazing for a warm up and getting rid of a lot of pain. If prefer it over treadmills but if you find a treadmill you like, ATG/Ben Patrick recommends this as well.
Based on the limited time period doing this and decrease in pain/plus the mobility movement - I will do these until I am in the ground.
Just make sure you buy the full loop bands and not the bands that have handles. I tried those and they loosed up way too quick.

Rogue Monster Bands - 41" Mobility Bands

Rogue Monster bands 41" long and are the go to bands for powerlifting and mobility, speed and agility training, and more. Check them out at Rogue Fitness.

www.roguefitness.com

I bought Rogue, but like all bands over time lose some resistance and could get micro tears. I would not want to be at max stretch and have one break as you would probably go flying and could get hurt. I put a large softer jumping box about 6 feet from where my max stretch is so if one breaks I will hit something relatively soft and won't go flying into someone/something.
I do these in the MMA room as it is the least busiest room in the gym.

 

[SteveM]

I take the stretchiest band (buy good ones and check them for micro tears daily), at a place in the gym you can walk back and forth, just hook it to the wall. Most gyms have hooks or hand rails which work great. Then put the back around your waist and walk backwards when you hit the stage you can't walk any further backwards, control the walk back with small steps. Just keep repeating this for 10 minutes backwards, and then do the same except turn and walk forwards and control the descent back to no stretch. You get a workout back and forth. I am now using the next band which is much thicker and you get a good pump in your legs. It also works your hips/groin, etc.
Very simple movement but start with a minute both ways, then 2,3,4....until you hit 10 minutes both ways. Do more if you want.
I would rather a sled and will make one for home, but for now bands are a known alternative. This is not an easy movement when you hit the full stretch of the band and your pushing power/pulling strength will increase over time. If you have a large area to walk, you can attach two bands and the tension is less and just keeps getting more and more the further you go.
Simple movement but amazing for a warm up and getting rid of a lot of pain. If prefer it over treadmills but if you find a treadmill you like, ATG/Ben Patrick recommends this as well.
Based on the limited time period doing this and decrease in pain/plus the mobility movement - I will do these until I am in the ground.
Just make sure you buy the full loop bands and not the bands that have handles. I tried those and they loosed up way too quick.

Rogue Monster Bands - 41" Mobility Bands

Rogue Monster bands 41" long and are the go to bands for powerlifting and mobility, speed and agility training, and more. Check them out at Rogue Fitness.

www.roguefitness.com

I bought Rogue, but like all bands over time lose some resistance and could get micro tears. I would not want to be at max stretch and have one break as you would probably go flying and could get hurt. I put a large softer jumping box about 6 feet from where my max stretch is so if one breaks I will hit something relatively soft and won't go flying into someone/something.
I do these in the MMA room as it is the least busiest room in the gym.

It sounds like it's made a world of difference for you !

I was wondering how in hell you would do this with bands - but I guess if you have enough stretch in the band you can get 3 or 4 steps backward - makes sense ... just as long as the band doesn't break and hit you in your boys....

I've read that people increase their leg & hip strength and reduce pain to near zero by walking backward - I suppose your proof of this - Thanks for the post - I really appreciate it - I'm going to try this - there is a gym I go to that has the sleds I can work with....and I might look into the bands for my small workout room

 

[Goldenrod]

It sounds like it's made a world of difference for you !

I was wondering how in hell you would do this with bands - but I guess if you have enough stretch in the band you can get 3 or 4 steps backward - makes sense ... just as long as the band doesn't break and hit you in your boys....

I've read that people increase their leg & hip strength and reduce pain to near zero by walking backward - I suppose your proof of this - Thanks for the post - I really appreciate it - I'm going to try this - there is a gym I go to that has the sleds I can work with....and I might look into the bands for my small workout room

Take a band that is in a circle, it is all connected. If you use the thinner Rogue bands, they can't snap and hit you in the nads as they are attached to the wall on a hook. I step into it so the band goes around my stomach and if it did break it would go left and right and fly backwards. If it broke in the middle, it would be almost impossible to hit your testicles as it will just fly off you. I'm not sure if I am explaining it correct. The key is it is anchored to the wall either on a hook or if there is a handle, you just put it through and take the other end it and loop it through itself. Then the band is just hanging, hold it up and step one foot in the fully connected band. You can get a lot of steps in before you can't go any further and then control the backwards walk to the start, and repeat. You are walking backwards until the band is fully stretched and you can't walk any further, then control the recoil as it pulls you back to where it is anchored. I do this backwards for 10 minutes but I am walking forward to get back to the start and when walking backwards control the pull back. You are using muscles in your feet, ankles, legs, and hips you normally would not - like hiking up and down very steep hills. I put large heavy softer/larger blocks about 4 feet from the maximum stretch as eventually one will snap and I will go flying and would rather hit the softer boxes than someone walking by or one of the stationary bikes people use before they hit the bag.

Then after 10 minutes instead of starting walking backwards, you walk frontwards and when you hit the stretch (a good smaller band or middle band can stretch 20 feet) max, control being pulled backwards to the wall. It is like walking frontwards and backwards up and down steep hills both ways. Hope that made sense.
Just google it and you will see people who do these at home and anchor the band with a door anchor.
This is an example and she also does sideways to incorporate other muscles. I am rehabbing a knee so it is more important to walk backwards and frontwards, but will start the side steps soon too.

Google Search

You can pull a good band considerably further for more resistance than she does in this video.

I found a way to make a sled in the MMA room yesterday. There are very heavy 5 foot by 5 foot softer boxes (no idea what people use them for) and you can stack them on each other and then connect to each other with huge velcro strips. They are heavy.
They have cloth handles on each of their 4 sides. Yesterday I connected a cloth pull attachments usually used for face pulls so you can get your hands apart and back further than with a normal attachment. The boxes are large, but the room is big and not very busy. You can add plates, kettlebells, etc. to the resistance by putting them on top of the box. I started pulling backwards (backwards sled) and can go about 40 feet pulling the cloth face pull attachment. Then I just put my hands against the boxes and push them to the wall.
No idea what they are normally used for other than for people who want to jump up on a solid but softer box. They are heavy. By the 10th pull/push, my feet were starting to slip and I was running out of steam. I did this after the band sled walks.

If it was busy, it would interfere with other people, but there are only about 10 of us that use that room regularly. Yesterday was pull day so I just did my regular mobility exercises between my back/bicep work. Then did 10 minutes each way with bands and added the more realistic sled push/pull and I have a little DOMS in my legs.
Again, not an exercise that is going to put slabs of muscle on your legs but is a much more realistic exercise compared to real life when you need strength. Almost impossible to injure yourself. If there are mirrors everywhere and you are wondering what muscles you are using look at the mirror, plus your legs burn like hell. If you are into any type of MMA, I guarantee this exercise will help with take down or simply controlling a clinch. The trainer at the gym, trains several wrestlers and they do a lot of band work increasing your stability/power.
I will never stop doing these until I am in the ground, they have made such a difference.

 

[SteveM]

Take a band that is in a circle, it is all connected. If you use the thinner Rogue bands, they can't snap and hit you in the nads as they are attached to the wall on a hook. I step into it so the band goes around my stomach and if it did break it would go left and right and fly backwards. If it broke in the middle, it would be almost impossible to hit your testicles as it will just fly off you. I'm not sure if I am explaining it correct. The key is it is anchored to the wall either on a hook or if there is a handle, you just put it through and take the other end it and loop it through itself. Then the band is just hanging, hold it up and step one foot in the fully connected band. You can get a lot of steps in before you can't go any further and then control the backwards walk to the start, and repeat. You are walking backwards until the band is fully stretched and you can't walk any further, then control the recoil as it pulls you back to where it is anchored. I do this backwards for 10 minutes but I am walking forward to get back to the start and when walking backwards control the pull back. You are using muscles in your feet, ankles, legs, and hips you normally would not - like hiking up and down very steep hills. I put large heavy softer/larger blocks about 4 feet from the maximum stretch as eventually one will snap and I will go flying and would rather hit the softer boxes than someone walking by or one of the stationary bikes people use before they hit the bag.

Then after 10 minutes instead of starting walking backwards, you walk frontwards and when you hit the stretch (a good smaller band or middle band can stretch 20 feet) max, control being pulled backwards to the wall. It is like walking frontwards and backwards up and down steep hills both ways. Hope that made sense.
Just google it and you will see people who do these at home and anchor the band with a door anchor.
This is an example and she also does sideways to incorporate other muscles. I am rehabbing a knee so it is more important to walk backwards and frontwards, but will start the side steps soon too.

Google Search

You can pull a good band considerably further for more resistance than she does in this video.

I found a way to make a sled in the MMA room yesterday. There are very heavy 5 foot by 5 foot softer boxes (no idea what people use them for) and you can stack them on each other and then connect to each other with huge velcro strips. They are heavy.
They have cloth handles on each of their 4 sides. Yesterday I connected a cloth pull attachments usually used for face pulls so you can get your hands apart and back further than with a normal attachment. The boxes are large, but the room is big and not very busy. You can add plates, kettlebells, etc. to the resistance by putting them on top of the box. I started pulling backwards (backwards sled) and can go about 40 feet pulling the cloth face pull attachment. Then I just put my hands against the boxes and push them to the wall.
No idea what they are normally used for other than for people who want to jump up on a solid but softer box. They are heavy. By the 10th pull/push, my feet were starting to slip and I was running out of steam. I did this after the band sled walks.

If it was busy, it would interfere with other people, but there are only about 10 of us that use that room regularly. Yesterday was pull day so I just did my regular mobility exercises between my back/bicep work. Then did 10 minutes each way with bands and added the more realistic sled push/pull and I have a little DOMS in my legs.
Again, not an exercise that is going to put slabs of muscle on your legs but is a much more realistic exercise compared to real life when you need strength. Almost impossible to injure yourself. If there are mirrors everywhere and you are wondering what muscles you are using look at the mirror, plus your legs burn like hell. If you are into any type of MMA, I guarantee this exercise will help with take down or simply controlling a clinch. The trainer at the gym, trains several wrestlers and they do a lot of band work increasing your stability/power.
I will never stop doing these until I am in the ground, they have made such a difference.

Thanks for the description - I checked out the videos. Looks quite simple.

Do you think it's as important to do the sled pushing as well as pulling motion ? Or is the backward pulling that has made the biggest difference for you ?

I do have an area that is quite large - I can hook bands to a very large heavy piece of equipment and walk backward for a good 20' or more - so I could put 2 or 3 bands together - what rogue band(s) do you suggest ? what did you buy ?