TRT dose... not sure whats up

Goldenrod said:
Do you take HCG? I ask because I was test 100-125 mg a week and just to keep by balls from becoming raisins, I would throw a small amount of HCG in - maybe 250 mcg's a week twice.
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NO HCG.. endo said if I don't plan on having anymore kids that it wouldn't be worth my time.


Goldenrod said:
Deca kills my sex drive like nothing else - NPP in 4 days and deca in 2 weeks and no morning wood, no spontaneous erections, takes forever to get off and need ED drugs.
My testes are still small compared to when I was off so I upped it to M, W, F and take 500 - 750 mcg's. Keep in mind I never had an issue with estrogen with test at higher doses, never had gyno issues, and HCG does not increase my estrogen according to blood tests.
Now I am on base TRT and 100-150 mg of Deca per week and I started it with a shot of NPP (very low dose) EOD for the first few weeks. I should, based on years of short low dose cycles of the same amount, have no morning wood, no desire, and need ED drugs.
So far so good and it has been a few weeks (2 I believe) and am waiting for the crap part of Deca. I am taking it for an injury to see if it helps at all but this would be what I would use if I was using it for an enhanced TRT anyway.
Just food for thought. I didn't expect this but my testes are larger and I feel normal.
The only other difference is I have legit HCG - brand name made by a pharmacy I can look up on the internet (no idea if that makes a difference).
In time I may find it kills my sex drive but I am going to stick with this and see how it does - just an experiment.
I know if I don't think I am going to perform or get off, I won't but the litmus test is do I wake up with an erection and when I get up to urinate at night do I have an erection and to date yes to both.
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Ya I haven't tried deca or NPP.. I have interest in it for joints. just never tried though..

I can't really even try HCG right now.. I need my blood work to show exactly how I respond on 110mg for my appoitnment.. If I try to fix it right now, that appointment will be useless unless i want to keep having to try to manage things myself instead of getting a higher script or get a script for HCG etc..

I have not had morning wood or even a random boner in weeks.. only time I get a boner now is if I fool around with the wife for 10 mins.. That's never been me since trt..
 
I should also mention, since lowering my dose to 110mg liek the script says, my seamen volume is less than half it used to be.

When I got on trt, my load volume went up a lot. I know its usually opposite, but it went up a lot. Been the same volume for years on trt.. last 4 weeks, less then half the amount. And the orgasm isn't very intense like it usually is on trt.

Does that mean anything? is this a symptom of something besides low t?
 
Jabroni said:
I have yet to figure out how to get my dr to bump my dose up, get prescribed any ancillaries, or HCG, or HMG. Wish I knew how
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@Jabroni - if you get blood work done and you want your TRT to get bumped it should be basic if the doctor trusts you. Just don't inject when they expect (2 weeks early and stop if long ester) or switch to short ester like Prop and keep injecting but stop 6-7 days before your bloods. If the doctor notices your test is going down, he/she will retest. This time spread it out more and he/she will see it is going down and no doctor can explain anomalies with hormones for certain unless they do the injection and then the blood draw themselves.
My doctor doubles my script dosage albeit he was a GP and only checked total test/free test. Back them I was instructed to take 1 shot per week, instead of my 1 shot per week - when my blood test came up I stopped for 3 weeks so he bumped it up and retested for a third time.
If you want to see it drop low albeit I would do a private test first. Stop your injection early and hammer licorice root into you. The licorice root may not have the same impact on you if you have been on for a long time.
It drops many men's testosterone who are taking exogenous test.

@animal-inside - if you decreased your testosterone dosage and are not taking HCG or a SERM (which would increase your volume too) - the opposite should occur. When I added HCG to my TRT, my volume went up significantly. Even sex multiple times a day. I would mention it to my doctor. You can expect next to no sperm and fucked up morphology but you still ejaculate more the less you take over time (but your sperm will still take a while to come back up). Your testicles create your own semen and the volume should increase. As for decreased intense orgasms - again ask your doctor as this isn't normal off or on. You can have extreme pleasure and have pretty much a dry orgasm and only release a little semen.
Sorry you are going through this. Are you using ED drugs and if so, do they help? Asking as you mention 10 minutes to get a boner. Usually, just the thought and knowing we are going to do something is enough to make my pants tighter lol.

You don't want to mess up your blood tests but a small amount of Primo significantly increases desire and the pleasure. When I say small I am talking about 100 mg per week on your TRT but within a few weeks your free test will be through the roof and your total test will stay the same.
What hormones does your doctor check?
 
animal-inside said:
I should also mention, since lowering my dose to 110mg liek the script says, my seamen volume is less than half it used to be.

When I got on trt, my load volume went up a lot. I know its usually opposite, but it went up a lot. Been the same volume for years on trt.. last 4 weeks, less then half the amount. And the orgasm isn't very intense like it usually is on trt.

Does that mean anything? is this a symptom of something besides low t?
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HCG would probably solve your issue. I always found my semen volume decreased when I went to a TRT level dosage vs being on cycle of all things. A little bit of HCG about 250iu 3 times a week worked nicely.

I'm willing to bet because the suppression of LH and FSH from the test you're taking you're not producing some of the other steroidal hormones required for libido, semen volume etc.

EDIT** also masteron might help. It helps bring down SHBG but also acts almost like a SERM where you might start producing more endogenous LH and FSH on your own because it can block estrogen receptors.
 
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animal-inside said:
I guess your right it is a 50% increase.. But honest question is 50% increase much ?

Ya I have always been more sensitive to gear.. But this 110mg isn't doing what it used too.. Biggst indicator for me is I have near zero sex drive and I can't keep it hard nor orgasm through sex with wife.... I've never had this issue on TRT even back when my script was only 75mg...

On the same though I was 75mg for a few years and I had no sides.. Then I did my usual blood work and they said Iwas low again and moved me to 100mg. I really don't remember having sides when this happened
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Take .5 mg of adex and 5 mg of cialis. That should fix you up.

Maybe your estrogen is too high compared to your test level and making a mess.

How long ago did you stop?
 
Goldenrod said:
@Jabroni - if you get blood work done and you want your TRT to get bumped it should be basic if the doctor trusts you. Just don't inject when they expect (2 weeks early and stop if long ester) or switch to short ester like Prop and keep injecting but stop 6-7 days before your bloods. If the doctor notices your test is going down, he/she will retest. This time spread it out more and he/she will see it is going down and no doctor can explain anomalies with hormones for certain unless they do the injection and then the blood draw themselves.
My doctor doubles my script dosage albeit he was a GP and only checked total test/free test. Back them I was instructed to take 1 shot per week, instead of my 1 shot per week - when my blood test came up I stopped for 3 weeks so he bumped it up and retested for a third time.
If you want to see it drop low albeit I would do a private test first. Stop your injection early and hammer licorice root into you. The licorice root may not have the same impact on you if you have been on for a long time.
It drops many men's testosterone who are taking exogenous test.

@animal-inside - if you decreased your testosterone dosage and are not taking HCG or a SERM (which would increase your volume too) - the opposite should occur.
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your saying my load should go up in my state?

Goldenrod said:
When I added HCG to my TRT, my volume went up significantly. Even sex multiple times a day. I would mention it to my doctor. You can expect next to no sperm and fucked up morphology but you still ejaculate more the less you take over time (but your sperm will still take a while to come back up). Your testicles create your own semen and the volume should increase. As for decreased intense orgasms - again ask your doctor as this isn't normal off or on. You can have extreme pleasure and have pretty much a dry orgasm and only release a little semen.
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Gotcha... I have no idea when my appointment is as telus health is still searching for a dr for me.

Goldenrod said:
Sorry you are going through this. Are you using ED drugs and if so, do they help? Asking as you mention 10 minutes to get a boner. Usually, just the thought and knowing we are going to do something is enough to make my pants tighter lol.
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I actually tried viagra for the first time last night. UG stuff.. 50mg and waited an hour had no affect.. Started to fool around with wife anways and it did get harder than it has been lately and I was able to keep the errection easier. LAst 4 weeks it can be a struggle to keep errection.


Goldenrod said:
You don't want to mess up your blood tests but a small amount of Primo significantly increases desire and the pleasure. When I say small I am talking about 100 mg per week on your TRT but within a few weeks your free test will be through the roof and your total test will stay the same.
What hormones does your doctor check?
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I have a blood req from telus health beside me, but they could not renew testosterone over the phone. They said I had to be reffered to in person dr. So they reffereded me to the university hospital here, but 2 weeks later I got an email saying I was declined there.. So they sent another referral last week, but they said they arent' sure if that dr is accepting ppl so to be patient. My point is, yes I have the blood req beside me, but anytime I go to a new dr they don't look at previous blood work, they get their own done. So I have no idea what that new dr will test for. So not worth messing things up.

I am learning stuff through this thread, so it's not all for nothing lol..
 
CoolRick said:
HCG would probably solve your issue. I always found my semen volume decreased when I went to a TRT level dosage vs being on cycle of all things. A little bit of HCG about 250iu 3 times a week worked nicely.

I'm willing to bet because the suppression of LH and FSH from the test you're taking you're not producing some of the other steroidal hormones required for libido, semen volume etc.

EDIT** also masteron might help. It helps bring down SHBG but also acts almost like a SERM where you might start producing more endogenous LH and FSH on your own because it can block estrogen receptors.
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thanks!

I am not 100% convinced though since I do feel like I have other low T symptoms beside the sex stuff. What you say makes sense, but I've not felt this physcially shitty since before trt.
 
Sorbate said:
Take .5 mg of adex and 5 mg of cialis. That should fix you up.

Maybe your estrogen is too high compared to your test level and making a mess.

How long ago did you stop?
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Would be around 6- 7 weeks now?

I am curious about estrogen too.. My private lab put me on estorgen, but it put my estorgen way too low.. So I didn't really take it..
 
animal-inside said:
thanks!

I am not 100% convinced though since I do feel like I have other low T symptoms beside the sex stuff. What you say makes sense, but I've not felt this physcially shitty since before trt.
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Hormones are weird man. I'm currently on a fertility protocol right now, 1500iu eod of HCG and 75IU HMG twice a week and i started feeling like shit. I shit you not i took 1 shot of test and felt better, so for now ill just add 50-75mg of test once of week on top to act as a buffer for the pulses in HCG and HMG. Seems to work and my sex drive is normal again.

Hopefully my wife gets pregnant sooner than later. I want off this protocol lol
 
animal-inside said:
your saying my load should go up in my state?


Gotcha... I have no idea when my appointment is as telus health is still searching for a dr for me.



I actually tried viagra for the first time last night. UG stuff.. 50mg and waited an hour had no affect.. Started to fool around with wife anways and it did get harder than it has been lately and I was able to keep the errection easier. LAst 4 weeks it can be a struggle to keep errection.




I have a blood req from telus health beside me, but they could not renew testosterone over the phone. They said I had to be reffered to in person dr. So they reffereded me to the university hospital here, but 2 weeks later I got an email saying I was declined there.. So they sent another referral last week, but they said they arent' sure if that dr is accepting ppl so to be patient. My point is, yes I have the blood req beside me, but anytime I go to a new dr they don't look at previous blood work, they get their own done. So I have no idea what that new dr will test for. So not worth messing things up.

I am learning stuff through this thread, so it's not all for nothing lol..
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It can be a pain if you were taking more test and lower it for desire and erection quality but if you are not taking as much exogenous test, your body will compensate in time and make it's own. Your testes will grow and your loads will be larger as you will me making more ejaculate. When I was younger and trying to get my woman pregnant - I was on TRT and got sperm tests as my loads were small but I felt great and wanted sex all the time. I had azoospermia - zero sperm. The docs being the idiots they were told me I would never have sperm again so I cut my test script in half (my doc never tested my blood and only asked how I felt) and my loads slowly became larger and much to their surprise I had sperm again. I quit cold turkey - had no HCG or SERMS and within a few months had a normal sperm count and my ejaculate was significantly more. The downside was a lower sex drive so I got Viagra and was fine. Just my opinion but I have used different UGL ED meds and they are not all equal. I found one of the mainstream labs took two to 4 times as long to kick in as script and maybe 1/2 as strong but with the price difference, I could just take twice as much UGL. I recently bought a mix that blew my socks off and is better than 100 mg of script Viagra. I am not putting down UGL ED meds - I also found another brand of cialis almost as good as script cialis but to be on the safe side I could take 15 mg instead of 10.
Long story short - less test injected / more natural test and your testes grow and your seamen output should increase.

If you have the blood req beside you, what do they have checked off? I know the new one may ask for more or less but would give you a benchmark anyway. It should clearly indicate what they are testing. You have the right to ask what they are testing and I assume they give you the req form and then you get your blood done when you want? If that is the case, redact your personal info and post it if you want if your not sure. If you are only taking test and increase it, and are given a req and they don't take the blood right there. Call them after (if your taking more and say you are unwell so it might be a little while before you get the blood drawn).
Just suggestions - best of luck.
 
Goldenrod said:
It can be a pain if you were taking more test and lower it for desire and erection quality but if you are not taking as much exogenous test, your body will compensate in time and make it's own. Your testes will grow and your loads will be larger as you will me making more ejaculate. When I was younger and trying to get my woman pregnant - I was on TRT and got sperm tests as my loads were small but I felt great and wanted sex all the time. I had azoospermia - zero sperm. The docs being the idiots they were told me I would never have sperm again so I cut my test script in half (my doc never tested my blood and only asked how I felt) and my loads slowly became larger and much to their surprise I had sperm again. I quit cold turkey - had no HCG or SERMS and within a few months had a normal sperm count and my ejaculate was significantly more. The downside was a lower sex drive so I got Viagra and was fine. Just my opinion but I have used different UGL ED meds and they are not all equal. I found one of the mainstream labs took two to 4 times as long to kick in as script and maybe 1/2 as strong but with the price difference, I could just take twice as much UGL. I recently bought a mix that blew my socks off and is better than 100 mg of script Viagra. I am not putting down UGL ED meds - I also found another brand of cialis almost as good as script cialis but to be on the safe side I could take 15 mg instead of 10.
Long story short - less test injected / more natural test and your testes grow and your seamen output should increase.

If you have the blood req beside you, what do they have checked off? I know the new one may ask for more or less but would give you a benchmark anyway. It should clearly indicate what they are testing. You have the right to ask what they are testing and I assume they give you the req form and then you get your blood done when you want? If that is the case, redact your personal info and post it if you want if your not sure. If you are only taking test and increase it, and are given a req and they don't take the blood right there. Call them after (if your taking more and say you are unwell so it might be a little while before you get the blood drawn).
Just suggestions - best of luck.
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I'd rather not put off the testing and try to fix things myself. I'm ok to keep going feeling like junk if it means accurate blood work and adjusted meds.

THis is the blood req from telus.. just a general check up.. They are reffering me to a hormone person for the test.. so guessing that dr will make me do a more thorough blood work
CBC and differenrial
ALT
creatinine
ferritin
soidum
potassium
Hemoglobin A1c
Lipid pannel
cholesterol
tryglycerides
Total testosterone
TSH
Free testosterone
T4
T3
 
Do you have low T or low T symptoms?
I agree with earlier posts, body is just adjusting and unless your using short esters, you cant cha ge your dose in sept and expect anything in October. It takes longer then that
 
Cheapshot said:
Do you have low T or low T symptoms?
I agree with earlier posts, body is just adjusting and unless your using short esters, you cant cha ge your dose in sept and expect anything in October. It takes longer then that
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I have low T symptoms on 110 mg script. But I was on 150-180 over the summer.. Stopped and went back to 110mg a week in early sept.. now feeling low t symptoms.. never had this when I would bump up for the summer.. I've done it last 4 or 5 summers where I go from 100mg trt to 200 - 250 mg a week for June/July/August and then drop down to 100mg a week in sept and I always felt fine doing.. no low t symptoms or sex drive/dong issues.

My orginal question was bascially can a 40- 70mg increase in trt make that much of a difference considering at 150-180 I didn't feel much "extra" test, but now I feel like shit after 6 weeks of going back to trt..

Its so shit that a couple times I was convinced I was just getting the flu.. no neasua etc, but just that "I feel like shit" feeling you get before the flu hammers you
 
I know it it very dependent on the particular Drs and other practitioners you are dealing with but these complicated stories filled with resistance from the powers that be just kill me. I could write a book in a reply here just on that part.

@animal-inside I know there may be geographic or other impediments to this but I'll tell you what I have done in the past which may or may not work for you as far as getting a new script or at least refills. One thing I will say - Fuck Telus and any other entity that tells you the can't renew or adjust your script over the phone! Of course they can, they just choose not too, it's a sketchy business and the have that right for whatever reason they have but you're already paying them plus you have to go through all this other bullshit and do the running around. Fuck them.

Anyhoo...
leaving out some deets here, just leaving the general idea
when I'm out of town, have a vial/box with script info on it.
"I'm new in town, moving here" or " Dr left practice" or ?
"trying to find a new permanent Dr"
"been on for years, script ran out though"
"Desperate for help, having all these low T problems already and it's getting worse daily"

Having copy of bloods on hands could be a big help even if he could look them up himself. Remember they have a limited time to deal with you if they want to have a profitable encounter. If they feel like they can be done with you in 2 minutes without any risks they win. There is virtually no risk in renewing a long standing script with especially with recent bloods.

Done something along these lines 3 times results were either a year or 3 months worth of new script.

Good Luck Sir
 
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