TRT dose... not sure whats up

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animal-inside

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Script was 100mg a week for a few years.. I told the private clinic I feel better when I'm on a bit more.. They agreed to bump it to 110mg lol... I knew I was soon going to be bumping myself up for the summer and I knew that I wasn't going to stay with that clinic much longer anyways, so I just went with it.

All summer I was on about 150-200mg a week..

In the first week or two of sept, I dropped it down to the 110mg for upcoming blood work and it wasn't summer anymore.


wow... I don't feel as bad as I did before I was diagnosed with low T (lowest test was 4.2), but I am feeling like 110 is not going to cut it anymore.
-tired
-sore muscles/joints
-hard to fall asleep
-I can not blow my load while banging the wife anymore.
-muscle cramps
-quick musle fatige
-I do not sweat in the gym anymore like I used to and expect to based on what I do
-weak
-cant get a pump.
-sex drive WAY down.

I felt great on 150-200 all summer.. I didn't feel like I was on a cycle at all. Just felt a little more than the 110script.


I have blood work to do when I get a day I can do it.. And I am waiting for a referal to a doctor to take over my trt.

44 years old... Been on script for around 11 or 12 years now.. started at 75mg a week and that got my test levels to 19ish.. After a couple years it was moved to 100mg to be around 19ish..

Anyone need more than 100mg to be around 19/20?? I have yet to have a dr that will allow my script to get me over 20.
 
My total t is 31.8 on 140mg a week. If you can't talk your doc into upping your dose maybe take 3 months off everything. It's a challenge but it's do able. Then you may feel amazing on even 100mg after starting up again
 
Bigbear said:
My total t is 31.8 on 140mg a week. If you can't talk your doc into upping your dose maybe take 3 months off everything. It's a challenge but it's do able. Then you may feel amazing on even 100mg after starting up again
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last year or so there was a private doctor who used hcg+hmg+clomid to bring my body back to normal. Since then I feel way better and my cycles improved with quality of gains and mood, and now looking to start trt (if i can get a doctor to help me) to get the most out of my workouts. Will continue cycling but have to learn to use gear while controlling dosages before bloodwork.

Resetting the body feels actually good.
 
I am going to speculate. I’ll leave the actual science to @gondar1, lol.

I bet your body just adjusted to the higher dose since you ran it for months.
I have always wondered if at supersyclogical levels if our body doesn’t maybe build up a tolerance (not the exact word I was going for).
In other words, our bodies adjust a certain amount to compensate for the higher levels an maybe become a bit numb to it.

Now not saying that your free test or total test levels are not where they would be over time, and not saying the receptors down regulate, but there are so many processes that we don’t even know about and feed back mechanisms.

Kinda like you blow up on your first cycle, but even if you shrink back down again, the second cycle is t the same. Body remembers and adjusts.

Or when you first start acne is a bitch, but over time greatly reduces as it adjusts.


We know this can happen with the immune system if too many vaccine immune system boosters are used (multiple covid vaccines as an example, there are studies showing it mutes your immune system), so why wouldn’t other processes in our bodies do the same?

I have found after a cycle and I go back to real trt again, I feel blah, weak and tired for a month, then I go back to feeling normal trt feeling again, which blows compared to a couple hundred mg of test. Who doesn’t like feeling superhuman?

I bet you just need time for your body to adjust.
 
ClearWater said:
last year or so there was a private doctor who used hcg+hmg+clomid to bring my body back to normal. Since then I feel way better and my cycles improved with quality of gains and mood, and now looking to start trt (if i can get a doctor to help me) to get the most out of my workouts. Will continue cycling but have to learn to use gear while controlling dosages before bloodwork.

Resetting the body feels actually good.
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Yea I took 8 months off to get pregnant. Felt great getting back on afterwards.
 
Bigbear said:
My total t is 31.8 on 140mg a week. If you can't talk your doc into upping your dose maybe take 3 months off everything. It's a challenge but it's do able. Then you may feel amazing on even 100mg after starting up again
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I don't think you are correct here..

Going 3 months off just to get back on the same TRT dose that is no longer reliveing symptoms of low t isn't going to fix the low t symtpoms.
 
Sorbate said:
I am going to speculate. I’ll leave the actual science to @gondar1, lol.

I bet your body just adjusted to the higher dose since you ran it for months.
I have always wondered if at supersyclogical levels if our body doesn’t maybe build up a tolerance (not the exact word I was going for).
In other words, our bodies adjust a certain amount to compensate for the higher levels an maybe become a bit numb to it.

Now not saying that your free test or total test levels are not where they would be over time, and not saying the receptors down regulate, but there are so many processes that we don’t even know about and feed back mechanisms.

Kinda like you blow up on your first cycle, but even if you shrink back down again, the second cycle is t the same. Body remembers and adjusts.

Or when you first start acne is a bitch, but over time greatly reduces as it adjusts.


We know this can happen with the immune system if too many vaccine immune system boosters are used (multiple covid vaccines as an example, there are studies showing it mutes your immune system), so why wouldn’t other processes in our bodies do the same?

I have found after a cycle and I go back to real trt again, I feel blah, weak and tired for a month, then I go back to feeling normal trt feeling again, which blows compared to a couple hundred mg of test. Who doesn’t like feeling superhuman?

I bet you just need time for your body to adjust.
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Possibly, but I only went up from 110 to 150-180.. It's not like I did a cycle. And I have been off the extra bump for about a month and a half.

I would agree with you and the others who are saying similar if I ran like 300mg a week in the summer, but again it was an extra 40mg- 70mg a week onyl
 
ClearWater said:
last year or so there was a private doctor who used hcg+hmg+clomid to bring my body back to normal. Since then I feel way better and my cycles improved with quality of gains and mood, and now looking to start trt (if i can get a doctor to help me) to get the most out of my workouts. Will continue cycling but have to learn to use gear while controlling dosages before bloodwork.

Resetting the body feels actually good.
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Before the dr put you on all that stuff, were you on TRT or just cycling ? If you were cycling, how long after you stopped did he put you o that stuff (hcg, hmg and clomid).

If that stuff "worked" and you feel way better, why are you trying to look for a TRT doctor? In my opinion if that stuff worked, you wouldn't feel the need to use trt.. it seems like you still are expericning low trt symptoms no?


When I went to see an endo after I was on script trt for over a couple years, he did all his blood work, exam (actually felt my nuts etc) he said I would be on testosterone for life. He had a lady resident dr working under him and she responded to him by asking if it was possibel to restore my natural test levels and he said no, because of my history, age, no nuts, gear use, how long I was getting low t numbers, how long I was alrady on trt script etc there was no chance I would recover natural levels.

I think there is a point where you can recover your natural levels and production, but that's going to vary person to person.. and I just think there is no way I would be able to get mine back.

Oh, that same Endo questioned me about the fact that through all my low T years I was able to have 2 kids. My kids were quite young when I saw the endo, maybe less than 5 or 6 years old ? Anyways I told him me and my wife tried for years to have our first kid and we couldn;t.. this was before I Was on trt... so I went on a clomid cycle of 50-100mg until I got the wife pregnant.. and then I did the same thing to have my 2nd kid.. Again, this was all before I was put on trt.. The endo acknowledged the clomid was most liekly the reason I was able to have kids.. Guessing if I was going to recover my natural levels it would have happened on those 2 long heavy clomid cycles. Before having those kids, I think I had quite gear use completely for 4 or 5 years and it was in my early 30's.
 
SHBG levels that are too low or too high will cause some of the symptoms you have.

Personally i feel normal on 200mg/ week of cyp or 150mg + hcg. That being said I prefer coming off completely or HCG monotherapy between cycles. Receptor downgrade is a real thing.
 
CoolRick said:
SHBG levels that are too low or too high will cause some of the symptoms you have.

Personally i feel normal on 200mg/ week of cyp or 150mg + hcg. That being said I prefer coming off completely or HCG monotherapy between cycles. Receptor downgrade is a real thing.
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I can't recall last time they checked my SHBG. It's not on the blood work sheet beside me that I am supposed to get done soon either.

Are you on script trt?


I'm sure my recpetors aren't good, but I am not willong to go over TRT at this point.
 
CoolRick said:
SHBG levels that are too low or too high will cause some of the symptoms you have.

Personally i feel normal on 200mg/ week of cyp or 150mg + hcg. That being said I prefer coming off completely or HCG monotherapy between cycles. Receptor downgrade is a real thing.
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This is why some docs don't bother looking at total test and prefer free test. I also did hcg and clomid, that probably plays a role in resensitizing you to the trt after.
 
animal-inside said:
I can't recall last time they checked my SHBG. It's not on the blood work sheet beside me that I am supposed to get done soon either.

Are you on script trt?


I'm sure my recpetors aren't good, but I am not willong to go over TRT at this point.
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No script here. I would think a good doc would look at SHBG to help you diagnose your issue.
Bigbear said:
This is why some docs don't bother looking at total test and prefer free test. I also did hcg and clomid, that probably plays a role in resensitizing you to the trt after.
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Free test is the way to go for sure. I'm not sure if you're back on now, but I bet you feel a difference, I know I do when I take a break to clean out.
 
animal-inside said:
Possibly, but I only went up from 110 to 150-180.. It's not like I did a cycle. And I have been off the extra bump for about a month and a half.

I would agree with you and the others who are saying similar if I ran like 300mg a week in the summer, but again it was an extra 40mg- 70mg a week onyl
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That is a 50% increase. From what I recall in oyur previous posts you are more sensitive are you not?
 
Do you take HCG? I ask because I was test 100-125 mg a week and just to keep by balls from becoming raisins, I would throw a small amount of HCG in - maybe 250 mcg's a week twice.
Deca kills my sex drive like nothing else - NPP in 4 days and deca in 2 weeks and no morning wood, no spontaneous erections, takes forever to get off and need ED drugs.
My testes are still small compared to when I was off so I upped it to M, W, F and take 500 - 750 mcg's. Keep in mind I never had an issue with estrogen with test at higher doses, never had gyno issues, and HCG does not increase my estrogen according to blood tests.
Now I am on base TRT and 100-150 mg of Deca per week and I started it with a shot of NPP (very low dose) EOD for the first few weeks. I should, based on years of short low dose cycles of the same amount, have no morning wood, no desire, and need ED drugs.
So far so good and it has been a few weeks (2 I believe) and am waiting for the crap part of Deca. I am taking it for an injury to see if it helps at all but this would be what I would use if I was using it for an enhanced TRT anyway.
Just food for thought. I didn't expect this but my testes are larger and I feel normal.
The only other difference is I have legit HCG - brand name made by a pharmacy I can look up on the internet (no idea if that makes a difference).
In time I may find it kills my sex drive but I am going to stick with this and see how it does - just an experiment.
I know if I don't think I am going to perform or get off, I won't but the litmus test is do I wake up with an erection and when I get up to urinate at night do I have an erection and to date yes to both.
 
Goldenrod said:
Do you take HCG? I ask because I was test 100-125 mg a week and just to keep by balls from becoming raisins, I would throw a small amount of HCG in - maybe 250 mcg's a week twice.
Deca kills my sex drive like nothing else - NPP in 4 days and deca in 2 weeks and no morning wood, no spontaneous erections, takes forever to get off and need ED drugs.
My testes are still small compared to when I was off so I upped it to M, W, F and take 500 - 750 mcg's. Keep in mind I never had an issue with estrogen with test at higher doses, never had gyno issues, and HCG does not increase my estrogen according to blood tests.
Now I am on base TRT and 100-150 mg of Deca per week and I started it with a shot of NPP (very low dose) EOD for the first few weeks. I should, based on years of short low dose cycles of the same amount, have no morning wood, no desire, and need ED drugs.
So far so good and it has been a few weeks (2 I believe) and am waiting for the crap part of Deca. I am taking it for an injury to see if it helps at all but this would be what I would use if I was using it for an enhanced TRT anyway.
Just food for thought. I didn't expect this but my testes are larger and I feel normal.
The only other difference is I have legit HCG - brand name made by a pharmacy I can look up on the internet (no idea if that makes a difference).
In time I may find it kills my sex drive but I am going to stick with this and see how it does - just an experiment.
I know if I don't think I am going to perform or get off, I won't but the litmus test is do I wake up with an erection and when I get up to urinate at night do I have an erection and to date yes to both.
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HCG helps produce something very critical to libido namely androstenedione(im pretty sure) amongst other things.

I'm not a fan of test only TRT because it suppresses LH and FSH production and subsequently hormones that are upstream to testosterone.
 
Sorbate said:
That is a 50% increase. From what I recall in oyur previous posts you are more sensitive are you not?
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I guess your right it is a 50% increase.. But honest question is 50% increase much ?

Ya I have always been more sensitive to gear.. But this 110mg isn't doing what it used too.. Biggst indicator for me is I have near zero sex drive and I can't keep it hard nor orgasm through sex with wife.... I've never had this issue on TRT even back when my script was only 75mg...

On the same though I was 75mg for a few years and I had no sides.. Then I did my usual blood work and they said Iwas low again and moved me to 100mg. I really don't remember having sides when this happened
 
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