Skip the knee obliteration and just run. One good poke from a knife can end you fast.
Would you beat someone up or risk getting charged to help an animal getting abused?
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Thats possible if he's not acting in an irrational rage and takes the time to think about what he's doing.
But it's even more probable the dog would get it worse the next time because he'd blame his beating on the dog.
That is a good question on an understudied problem.
There are no doubt a lot of factors involved like family and social support. Brain damage from various insults, fetal alcohol syndrome has a well studied known tendency towards antisocial behaviors. So there is definitely structural effects.
As for fine, to what degree are they fine?
What might they have been otherwise?
We'll never know.
This guy would have been one to tell you he was fine, and so would everyone who knew him.
Had a 400k job, wife kids... It all fell apart, he lost everything and was almost on the street.
So he was giving himself the beatings, hating on himself, and still couldn't stop reacting like he did lashing out at everyone.
An unfortunate irony, he had an innate irrational distrust of the medical system and that delayed him accessing help for years until he was forced into care after a failed suicide attempt.
Its nothing to brag about its dangerous and stupid but ive had a huge knife pulled on me before, ive had a screw driver pulled on me, ive had bats and pipes pulled on me, ive had someone try to intimidate me with an insulin needle lol. My only thought was that stupid little thing is going to bend he wont stand a chance. Its hard to think clear when your pissed off and full of adrenalin. I agree though your right anytime someone has a knife just run. Honestly most of the times its happened I always thought it was a sign of fear and weakness that they feel the need to use it. I know thats a stupid way to think but when your pissed off or anxious who knows what thoughts will run through your head. Im sure @Goldenrod might think similar to some of this im sure in his line of work hes had to deal with that too.
Jordan Peterson often discusses this concept in his lectures regarding dominance hierarchies, evolutionary biology, and masculine psychology. He argues that functional societal order relies on strong, competent individuals who are capable of force but voluntarily choose to use their strength to protect the vulnerable and maintain order.
In his lectures and discussions on personality and hierarchies, he has stated: [1]
In his lectures and discussions on personality and hierarchies, he has stated: [1]
This particular person is an extreme outlier likely.
I was talking about averages.
Yes he was an outlier but in the "good" direction. Good family, no abuse, no poverty, good education, successful.
So what chance would someone without his good fortune have?
That's why I use him as the example, to steelman the position.
On average,
I'd say it's probable the dog would get it worse the next time because he'd blame his beating on the dog.
If it's about saving the dog,
And you're willing to risk a battery charge,
just take the dog and risk the theft charge instead.
Beating the guy up is more about feeling righteous and vengeful but isn't going to help the dog.
So what chance would someone without his good fortune have?
That's why I use him as the example, to steelman the position.
On average,
I'd say it's probable the dog would get it worse the next time because he'd blame his beating on the dog.
If it's about saving the dog,
And you're willing to risk a battery charge,
just take the dog and risk the theft charge instead.
Beating the guy up is more about feeling righteous and vengeful but isn't going to help the dog.
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This is a big question on the psychology of behavioral change is it more effective to punish and disipline or to rehabilitate. Since this guys needs to choose rehab and doesnt and no one can take his dogs isnt leaning more towards operant conditioning the only approach left? Pain as a positive punishment
@Bagua would be one to ask about this.
But generalized operant conditioning requires a lot of repetitive reinforcement in varied environments for it to bevome programmed. Even then it doesn't work well with humans. Did the threat of an ass whooping ever stop you from doing stuff, or did you just hide it?
Specifically in this case, he might make sure you're not around, or no one is around when he abuses the animal.
But that doesn't help the dog. it just makes society feel better that they don't see it happening.
Why not just take the dog? That would probably do more for both him as punishment and benefit the dog over anything physical.
Thats a very good point.
thats the answer i was hoping to see ,good show !!!!
I'll take the compliment!!
High fives all around.
Feels good and righteous vanquishing evil. That's all about you.
Now, what about the dog?
Lots of talk here of violence and punishment but not a word about adoption or helping the dog.
If the dog is truly the concern, then the measure of success is whether the animal ends up safe, fed, and out of harm’s reach.
Well its a given that you'd take care of the dog unless your a heartless bastard! I'd like to think 99.9% would help the dog.
