That's a strange number I havent seen systolic and diastolic so far apart. Is that common for you? I'd guess the 140 is more of a temporary elevation
What's your blood pressure today?
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If you want to PM what your doing - happy to help you, if you look at the thread blood pressure you will see I was 130/70 HR around 70. Now it is 110/60 with a RHR around 45-55. Not done with cardio other than sparring, hitting the heavy bag, BOB a few times a few weeks (3) and if I'm lucky sex. Training protection dogs is hard work too but it isn't cardio like many of you do. Your systolic is too high when you should be able to easily get it down to 120-130 and they recently changed the whole concept of what is ideal.
In 2021 this is what was considered the range: https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/reading-the-new-blood-pressure-guidelines
I think this is the one @Bagua posted: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticl...0230729_etid5695561&uac=21362MN&impID=5695561
I am not so arrogant to think I know more than any doctor but if my systolic BP was in the 140's or 140, I would be doing everything I could think of to lower it which includes a chat with a doc.
Yes very common for me. My diastolic always remains in the high 50s to mid 60s. Even I’ve seen my BP very elevated, it’s been 170s/60. I’ve read that systolic BP can be heavily influenced by stress.
I’ve read a lot of your supplement protocols but honestly haven’t bothered to give them a try.
I’m currently on 2 meds and doing HIIT cardio on top of my training and job that’s on my feet most of the day. I’m pretty frustrated with the whole situation. I’m 16+ weeks into a cycle though which I’m sure is not doing me any favours.
@BanditNOLIMIT - glad your a member and always willing to help people but regardless of the cycle, I don't believe you should have to suffer from higher BP. I say 'suffer' but I mean just have higher BP. There are a few very reasonably prices supplements that I posted several studies and they did as well as or better than script medication. They also have health promoting symptoms and in general are considered 'good for you'.
There is a caveat - when I use MK677 (never will again due to the bloating and lack of benefits) or script HGH I retain water and my BP goes up 10 points while I adjust. It comes back down and I know have my own formula I start a few weeks before start the script Sero.
MK677 is fine for many but I never found it did much for me.
It is my understanding you compete and are very serious about bodybuilding - do you not take any supplements/herbs to protect yourself? If you have a coach and they don't include this as part of their recommendations, I would find another one.
I have read multiple cycles from a person I consider 'one of the best of the best' on the forums with the name of the client redacted and they cover off training, diet, supplements, PED's, and listening to your body. May ask you make videos of your exercises to fix any problems, follow up, and generally hold you accountable.
A comment I hear all the time is I am taking tren or superdrol for a few months of tren or 30-45 days of sdrol and I should have an ALT below 56 U/L but it is 350 but will come down. Will it? Why do alcoholics binge and their liver enzymes are through the roof and they stop / slow down and it comes down but inevitably you need to quit completely or need a new liver. You will probably bounce back a few times but do this over a period of decades and who knows when it doesn't come back and then what do you do? Yup, conservative and if my ALT goes up I drop whatever it is that is causing it.
Take care
I do have supplements in place but what I’m using isn’t extensive.
Here’s a list of what I’m using pertaining to heart health:
Omega 3 - 4000mg EPA, 2000mg DHA
Coq10 - 200mg
K2 - 120mcg
Magnesium - 700mg split throughout the day in different forms
Diet is rich in unsaturated fats from evoo, Mac nut oil and salmon
I’ll read back into some of your supplement recommendations and see trial a couple
I am also baffled at his numbers. If my bp goes out of range its always both or diastolic by 5 to 10 points. I wonder if there is a significance in the variation of elevation, what does it mean and why the differences.
What worked the best for me in no particular order when it started to creep up were:
1. Nigella Sativa / Black Seed oil - 1000 mg twice a day and up to 3,000 (1,500 per time). I like Life extensions.
2. Increase Fish oil - buy Carleson's and I say that because each pill is high in EPA and DHA and it is a good brand. I'm sure there are others too. I would increase it to 7000 combines EPA/DHA and expect you will see a difference in a short amount of time. Up to 10,000 Mg of combined if needed and then titrate down as it gets better down to 2000 mg's. If you need 4K - take it but I am fine with 2000 combined now.
I have been up to 7000 but never 10K yet and it always comes down to where I want it. Each few days I decrease by 500 to 1000 until I am at 2000 and my BP is stable.
3. Can you take low dose enteric coated aspirin? Keeping the bleeding and ulcer risk in mind, it is a miracle drug. I take 81 mg at night before bed. It has to be taken at night for BP reduction.
4. How old are you? If under 40 which I think you are, you can probably can't absorb Q10. 200-300 mg of Q10 a day. If over 40 Ubiquinol as the body won't be as effective as converting Q10 to Ubiquinol. I'm over 40 and for whatever reason I do better with 100 mg of Ubiquinol and 100 mg of Q10. It was @3ml that asked the question why not both? I can't recall if I tried it then as it is much less expensive but it worked better.
To see what is working - increase your fish oil and add in Black seed oil. If no luck, consider the others. There are so many supplements, teas, etc. but this is what works for me.
This is supplement based and not covering donating blood or cardio. Further, if you have any NAID issues, bleeding problems, ulcers etc. skip the low dose aspirin.
Raw ginger is one of those supplements that do many good things. This is just a cut and paste but if you search you will find studies:
How effective is ginger for lowering blood pressure?
"Human studies have shown that taking ginger supplements may reduce blood pressure. One study in more than 4,000 people found that those who consumed the most ginger — 2–4 grams per day — had the lowest risk of developing high blood pressure. Ginger is flavorful and easy to incorporate into your diet with meals.Jan 11, 2024"
Last but not least and probably the cheapest of all is a mix I put in the fridge and have twice a day. Mix a 5 tablespoons of turmeric with 4-5 tablespoons of EVOO (it should be sticky and easy to make a ball out of). Add in a handful of black peppercorns for the piperine and stir. Wash down with water trying to avoid anything you don't want stained red. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/turmeric-and-black-pepper
I do not measure it out - I buy raw, peel a large chunk about the size of my thumb and take it twice a day. Great for the liver too and an amazing antioxidant. I have big hands and ginger has a bite raw until you get used to it.
If you Goodle Nigella Sativa and blood pressure you will find a lot of double blind placebo studies showing it working as well or better than script medication.
Not medical advice - just what I use. Others use different products. Good luck
Fun fact?
TIL that it's common for Systolic BP to be as much as 10pts different between arms even in healthy people.
I thought the tech said the left was usually higher but what I've read online since says the right is higher and both the Systolic and Diastolic can be affected that way. I find it interesting that the self serve BP machines that you see in the drug stores etc are usually left arm in my experience That adds to my confusion about which side is usually higher. If it's the right wouldn't they make those machines to suit? Apparently more than 10 pts and definitely more than 20pts difference is a good indicator for CV problems, peripheral artery disease being the most common concern.
If interested y'all should vet my post with a better source of info.
Might be worth checking both arms and using the higher one as the metric for concern.
TIL that it's common for Systolic BP to be as much as 10pts different between arms even in healthy people.
I thought the tech said the left was usually higher but what I've read online since says the right is higher and both the Systolic and Diastolic can be affected that way. I find it interesting that the self serve BP machines that you see in the drug stores etc are usually left arm in my experience That adds to my confusion about which side is usually higher. If it's the right wouldn't they make those machines to suit? Apparently more than 10 pts and definitely more than 20pts difference is a good indicator for CV problems, peripheral artery disease being the most common concern.
If interested y'all should vet my post with a better source of info.
Might be worth checking both arms and using the higher one as the metric for concern.
That is how 3 people I know found out they had a partial blockage and needed surgery as the clot could break anytime and they 'could' have a stroke, etc. One arm was different from the other but I have no idea by how much. Two I took to another Province for the surgery and I asked how they knew - they didn't. No signs or issues, doctor tested it for two weeks every few days and then sent an urgent request to the surgeon.
thanks for the info.
I wouldn’t be freaking about that on a decent cycle either.
If I take 5 mg cialis ed, I can get it just under 130 on cycle.
Tren and deca ? Can't say I've seen that before . Odd combination
Keeps the Tren sides away for me,believe it or not.Tren and deca ? Can't say I've seen that before . Odd combination
If I don't add deca in there I become a mental case.
I don't why but it's become a staple to all my tren cycles.
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No shit eh . I figured the sides would be worse with both of those being 19 nor and also thought they would be sorta in competition with eachother. You learn something everyday
No Bro for some reason I don't know the deca keeps all the sides away and keeps me sane.lolNo shit eh . I figured the sides would be worse with both of those being 19 nor and also thought they would be sorta in competition with eachother. You learn something everyday
133/80 hr 89
I'm usually about 10 points lower on the first number though but this was right after a weight workout the other day. Maybe that put it up a tad. I'll take more readings in upcoming days and see what a recent average is.
Gotta test my hemotacrit and hemoglobin again soon as well. Just to check in on it. See where it is.
I'm usually about 10 points lower on the first number though but this was right after a weight workout the other day. Maybe that put it up a tad. I'll take more readings in upcoming days and see what a recent average is.
Gotta test my hemotacrit and hemoglobin again soon as well. Just to check in on it. See where it is.