Trans Athletes in Women’s Powerlifting

[aGuyFromWinnipeg]

Confused about what at a young age

I don’t remember anyone young being confused until people started promoting them to be confused

not sure if you're arguing just to argue.... you pick side comments in my posts to have an issue with. Are you suggesting that it's only been over the last 5-8 years that people have questioned how they feel about being male or female? would that include gay or straight too? Pretty sure it's been going on for a long time now. Even back in the 1800s, there were people identifying as trans... the real change has been how the masses have chosen to accept them. Seems to go in waves... Currently, in time we are at a point where it's a political trigger, there for widely discussed. As mentioned earlier, one side reacts, and the other side replies, back and forth until none of it makes sense. It's a battle of whose voice is louder and it's really the minority of the population who are saying anything at all.

 

[Ramps]

Trans people say it’s a medical condition called gender dysphoria, and yes it it but say it by it’s full diagnoses it’s a MENTAL medical disorder diagnosed and treated with medication and counselling by a psychologist. How can they self diagnose and reap benefits such competing in female sports or using female washrooms . You cant wake up one day and say you’re disabled and be able to park in handicap parking?? Even to have a service animals you need forms filled out through a doctor, so how are they able to self diagnose and do that?? Are we abolishing women’s civil right now ? The rights they fought for for over 100 years to get?? cause having their own sport teams and washrooms is part of women’s civil rights .
How are we confirming to such a minority group, and how are we enabling their mental illness ?? What’s going on in the world??

 

[FitTrader]

not sure if you're arguing just to argue.... you pick side comments in my posts to have an issue with. Are you suggesting that it's only been over the last 5-8 years that people have questioned how they feel about being male or female? would that include gay or straight too? Pretty sure it's been going on for a long time now. Even back in the 1800s, there were people identifying as trans... the real change has been how the masses have chosen to accept them. Seems to go in waves... Currently, in time we are at a point where it's a political trigger, there for widely discussed. As mentioned earlier, one side reacts, and the other side replies, back and forth until none of it makes sense. It's a battle of whose voice is louder and it's really the minority of the population who are saying anything at all.

No I think there are people who do feel that way but it’s very very very small

But now the % is going up since the movement of shoving it down kids throats

 

[aGuyFromWinnipeg]

No I think there are people who do feel that way but it’s very very very small

But now the % is going up since the movement of shoving it down kids throats

Guess, for the most part, I would disagree with that... I think that more may explore it because it's becoming more acceptable, but I doubt that those kids who do are 100% comfortable with where they are at to begin with. I don't see a lot of it pushed down kids throats outside of the media here in Winnipeg. Gay pride? sure, they have flags at school but it doesn't bother me or my kids. Are there extreme cases of what you describe? yes, of course. Again, one side fights back. And again, it makes big waves because its such a talking point, even if it's just one example out of millions of kids it will get blown up so people can get upset about it.

 

[Musclemaker]

Sorry but all people are not created equal. For most of us that sucks in one way or another. Deal with it.
Pretty sure I've said this here before, I say it irl whenever it comes up which is far too often.
I don't believe a rational person could have any kind of strong argument against it.

3 divisions classed by gender which is determined by Chromosomes present

Men/boys (XY)
Women/girls (XX)
Open (open to anyone)

Sorry G but that doesn’t make any sense.

“3 divisions classed by gender which is determined by Chromosomes present

Men/boys (XY)
Women/girls (XX)
Open (open to anyone)”

If they’re classed by gender which is determined by chromosomes present there would be 2 divisions.

How about men compete against men and women compete against women. I know, pretty radical right.

 

[Trenbolone&Cheese]

I don’t like twisting someone’s sexual attraction with this transgender garbage. 2 consenting ADULTS can do whatever they want behind closed doors. An adult can love any other adult they want, and really no one should have an issue with it.

 

[gondar1]

Sorry G but that doesn’t make any sense.

“3 divisions classed by gender which is determined by Chromosomes present

Men/boys (XY)
Women/girls (XX)
Open (open to anyone)”

If they’re classed by gender which is determined by chromosomes present there would be 2 divisions.

How about men compete against men and women compete against women. I know, pretty radical right.

First order of business - "If they’re classed by gender which is determined by chromosomes present there would be 2 divisions." .
This is simply not true. Although very rare there are several other chromosomal combinations that occour in humans. Hopefully you can accept that and see that it does make sense.

For a moment lets ignore that and discuss the vast majority of people.

I think it makes perfect sense, of course If you were asking for my personal opinion of how I wish it was I would hope that the two division model could be put in place, it's the most simple and best on paper ie the "cleanest" logically.

But humans are not 100% logical, there are feelings involved. Make no mistake about my personal opinion though, if we get right down to the nitty gritty, facts trump feelings but in this case I see no downside to taking feelings into consideration. Also for the record - Y'all can do whatever you want and won't hear a peep from me unless it affects me negatively. I can argue what some would say is a crazily low bar for where that starts though. And in the y'all can do whatever you want sphere, don't expect me to support it or to play along and if you try to compel me to participate it may get contentious real quick, I gave you your lane stay in it unless you want that fight.
Talking bout every being on the planet and all subjects not you or anyone in particular.

Back to a direct response, the feelings factor.

Particular to this subject I see two things as the main consideration.
There is a group who has a concern that everybody be allowed to play. I'm down with that.
There is also a group that has a concern for keeping the competition amongst a reasonable group for reasons like safety, fairness of oppourtunity, development etc

So if we consider feelings I've not yet heard an arguement that defeats my model, frankly what I see is usually a hysterical meltdown where all common sense flyes out the window.
In my world if the inclusion of feelings as a factor results in failure to agree then we must we must disregard it and default to logic, ie what makes sense.

 

[Sorbate]

No I think there are people who do feel that way but it’s very very very small

But now the % is going up since the movement of shoving it down kids throats

My grandson is at the age now, and trust me unless someone if feeling like they don’t belong they don’t get anything pushed on them so much they change their mind and become trans.

I asked my grandson about this, and he says they don’t push it per say, but just tell them if they want to talk they can, and that others shouldn’t pick on them over it.

He doesn’t know of a single trans kid in his school.

Now in his school nothing is pushed, his teacher is gay, and the kids only know because she had mentioned that her wife and her were doing something, but nothing else was said. There isn’t flags everywhere (only one on her desk).

 

[Rolls roydz]

My grandson is at the age now, and trust me unless someone if feeling like they don’t belong they don’t get anything pushed on them so much they change their mind and become trans.

I asked my grandson about this, and he says they don’t push it per say, but just tell them if they want to talk they can, and that others shouldn’t pick on them over it.

He doesn’t know of a single trans kid in his school.

Now in his school nothing is pushed, his teacher is gay, and the kids only know because she had mentioned that her wife and her were doing something, but nothing else was said. There isn’t flags everywhere (only one on her desk).

True, but also trust me. I have a family member who has a macho father and no matter what he tries the kid is happy with Barbie and pink stuff. That’s why I find this so interesting. Will this kid be repressed all his life? That I don’t know, god! What am I going to do when I have my own ones

 

[Sorbate]

True, but also trust me. I have a family member who has a macho father and no matter what he tries the kid is happy with Barbie and pink stuff. That’s why I find this so interesting. Will this kid be repressed all his life? That I don’t know, god! What am I going to do when I have my own ones

Just goes to show you most of the time its not learned.

 

[Rolls roydz]

Just goes to show you most of the time its not learned.

That brings another question to my mind. There are mommy and daddy at home. The classic Simpson’s situation -the kid is playing with mommy’s dresses, make up and you name it. He basically acts like a female-.

The natural reaction in my head is to correct this but damn, am I right? That I don’t know

 

[Musclemaker]

First order of business - "If they’re classed by gender which is determined by chromosomes present there would be 2 divisions." .
This is simply not true. Although very rare there are several other chromosomal combinations that occour in humans. Hopefully you can accept that and see that it does make sense.

For a moment lets ignore that and discuss the vast majority of people.

I think it makes perfect sense, of course If you were asking for my personal opinion of how I wish it was I would hope that the two division model could be put in place, it's the most simple and best on paper ie the "cleanest" logically.

But humans are not 100% logical, there are feelings involved. Make no mistake about my personal opinion though, if we get right down to the nitty gritty, facts trump feelings but in this case I see no downside to taking feelings into consideration. Also for the record - Y'all can do whatever you want and won't hear a peep from me unless it affects me negatively. I can argue what some would say is a crazily low bar for where that starts though. And in the y'all can do whatever you want sphere, don't expect me to support it or to play along and if you try to compel me to participate it may get contentious real quick, I gave you your lane stay in it unless you want that fight.
Talking bout every being on the planet and all subjects not you or anyone in particular.

Back to a direct response, the feelings factor.

Particular to this subject I see two things as the main consideration.
There is a group who has a concern that everybody be allowed to play. I'm down with that.
There is also a group that has a concern for keeping the competition amongst a reasonable group for reasons like safety, fairness of oppourtunity, development etc

So if we consider feelings I've not yet heard an arguement that defeats my model, frankly what I see is usually a hysterical meltdown where all common sense flyes out the window.
In my world if the inclusion of feelings as a factor results in failure to agree then we must we must disregard it and default to logic, ie what makes sense.

Actually there aren’t. A person has either XX or XY. Along with that there are sub variants that are considered uncommon or out of the norm, but the base structure is always XX or XY, there is no XG or CY etc. etc..

 

[aGuyFromWinnipeg]

That brings another question to my mind. There are mommy and daddy at home. The classic Simpson’s situation -the kid is playing with mommy’s dresses, make up and you name it. He basically acts like a female-.

The natural reaction in my head is to correct this but damn, am I right? That I don’t know

You will know when it's in front of you.. I too know a guy, a small-town guy who loves hunting snowmobiles and so on. His kid, since he could talk, has been into everything girlie. Only wanted to wear dresses, play with dolls and anything pink. The dad gently tried to get him into Hockey and hunting but he knew from jump that his boy was different. The boy has now graduated from high school and is the town's first openly gay person. lol. Probably ignorant of me to be surprised at how well the town accepted him, but I was. Good on them I guess, shows how much things have changed over a relatively short period of time.

 

[Negan]

You will know when it's in front of you.. I too know a guy, a small-town guy who loves hunting snowmobiles and so on. His kid, since he could talk, has been into everything girlie. Only wanted to wear dresses, play with dolls and anything pink. The dad gently tried to get him into Hockey and hunting but he knew from jump that his boy was different. The boy has now graduated from high school and is the town's first openly gay person. lol. Probably ignorant of me to be surprised at how well the town accepted him, but I was. Good on them I guess, shows how much things have changed over a relatively short period of time.

This is like my partner, her mom was a very masculine female bodybuilder and had a female partner so she had 2 mom's most of her life. She was into girlie things and her mother wanted her to be a football player, was often borderline abusive to try to toughen up her son. She was the first openly gay boy at her highschool and came out of the closet at a school talent show. She ended up being quite popular in school after that but after she transitioned to female she lost a lot of friends and her family disowned her. It's sad but it took a lot of courage to first come out as gay and then later transition to female I truely admire her courageousness.

 

[Negan]

The internet and media would lead you to believe that transgenderisim is common but I assure you it's not. I have went to a lot of effort to find a trans partner and I have not met many in my province, I don't have trouble getting them to talk to me because they tend to have a strong attraction to large hairy men so I've talked to about a dozen a few were crazy activists but most are just living their lives. Mine loves Jordan Peterson which is cool because liberals generally hate him and when she supports this guy online she often gets called a transphobic privileged cis woman, she tells them she's trans and they can't handle it.

 

[Trenbolone&Cheese]

Actually there aren’t. A person has either XX or XY. Along with that there are sub variants that are considered uncommon or out of the norm, but the base structure is always XX or XY, there is no XG or CY etc. etc..

It’s called Klinefelter’s syndrome. When someone possesses “XXY” chromosome. Now you’re correct on the basic ideal of this, but where would these people fit in to this system?

Now that’s the only combination that could be iffy. Jacob’s Syndrome (XYY) wouldn’t even be a debate as they possess way more male characteristics than the average man. I don’t see an argument where someone with Jacob’s Syndrome would be even considered in the women’s division.

 

[Musclemaker]

It’s called Klinefelter’s syndrome. When someone possesses “XXY” chromosome. Now you’re correct on the basic ideal of this, but where would these people fit in to this system?

Now that’s the only combination that could be iffy. Jacob’s Syndrome (XYY) wouldn’t even be a debate as they possess way more male characteristics than the average man. I don’t see an argument where someone with Jacob’s Syndrome would be even considered in the women’s division.

Again, just like you stated above, the base structure is either XX or XY. Male or female.

I can never understand why people are so quick to throw science, biology and common sense out the window when it comes to this subject (and many others).

 

[Sorbate]

That brings another question to my mind. There are mommy and daddy at home. The classic Simpson’s situation -the kid is playing with mommy’s dresses, make up and you name it. He basically acts like a female-.

The natural reaction in my head is to correct this but damn, am I right? That I don’t know

I rememeber trying on my moms shoes. Or wear her housecoat. It would hae seem like an intrusion to wear her dresses. Put on my wife thong once, and damn she laughed as everything hung out the sides, but I did that for the comedic effect. Then got in shit for stretching her underware, lol.

 

[Sorbate]

The internet and media would lead you to believe that transgenderisim is common but I assure you it's not. I have went to a lot of effort to find a trans partner and I have not met many in my province, I don't have trouble getting them to talk to me because they tend to have a strong attraction to large hairy men so I've talked to about a dozen a few were crazy activists but most are just living their lives. Mine loves Jordan Peterson which is cool because liberals generally hate him and when she supports this guy online she often gets called a transphobic privileged cis woman, she tells them she's trans and they can't handle it.

Now that would be funny to watch when they try to berate her and then find out she’s trans, lol. It would be like, take that.

 

[CoolRick]

It’s called Klinefelter’s syndrome. When someone possesses “XXY” chromosome. Now you’re correct on the basic ideal of this, but where would these people fit in to this system?

Now that’s the only combination that could be iffy. Jacob’s Syndrome (XYY) wouldn’t even be a debate as they possess way more male characteristics than the average man. I don’t see an argument where someone with Jacob’s Syndrome would be even considered in the women’s division.

To be quite frank, why does everyone need to fit in somewhere? Theres so little of these abnormalities it's not relevant to most people.

It's ironic that this mentallity that everyone should be included only creates further division not unity, which is deliberate IMO. Divide and conquer is one of oldest tricks in the book and its working wonders especially for buisness. The sex change industry is estimated to be worth (don't quote me on this) something to the tune of 4 billion usd by next year.