Trans Athletes in Women’s Powerlifting

Trans athletes should have their own category . Now 🤣, common guys, what in the name of Christ do you win by calling someone SIR knowing and clearly seeing that the person has a gender thing going on? A mistake is a mistake, it happens, uncomfortable situation. But, being an ass just because that’s how I think, those are my values, that’s how I was raised and list could be infinite.

I tend to be heated with the crazy ones that make this a whole political crap, the ones who are confrontational and you name it but I probably see this situations once per year in real life.
 
3ml and I are shaving each other's backs and painting each other's toenails tomorrow if anyone wants to pop by?

Feather boas and curling irons optional....

Can someone call a friend and grab us some beard oil too.... just so we can amp up to smash some female PL records as well ... should the mood strike us.
 
Negan said:
This just sounds like you're choosing to be a dick to people you don't know because they have a mental disorder when instead you could choose to be nice.
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Are you saying (serious question) everyone who identifies as transgender has a mental disorder? Just curious as you are 'with' one and you believe she (albeit she has male genitalia - no?_) has a mental disorder? There is no sarcarsm or poking fun at anyone in this post, I am being serious with my questions and I do my best not to judge people if they aren't hurting others. I don't care who you are or what you look like (even if I don't understand it) as long as you are a decent person. If your a fucker - male, female, gay, different colour, where your from, male dressing and relating as a female, etc. - your a fucker. If you aren't and treat me with respect, I will reciprocate.
 
Goldenrod said:
Are you saying (serious question) everyone who is identifies as transgender has a mental disorder? Just curious as you are 'with' one and you believe she (albeit she has male genitalia - no?_) has a mental disorder? There is no sarcarsm or poking fun at anyone in this post, I am being serious with my questions and I do my best not to judge people if they aren't hurting others. I don't care who you are or what you look like (even if I don't understand it) as long as you are a decent person. If your a fucker - male, female, gay, different colour, where your from, male dressing and relating as a female, etc. - your a fucker. If you aren't and treat me with respect, I will reciprocate.
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In the DSM 5, it is gender dysphoria, which replaced gender identity disorder. This includes a separate, non-mental disorder diagnosis of gender dysphoria to describe people who experience significant distress with the sex and gender they were assigned at birth. It is being bantered that in the first set of revisions to the DSM 5, it will be taken out altogether, much as homosexuality was taken out in the DSM 2 and replaced with sexual orientation disturbance.
I don't know as much about the DSM 5 as I do the precursors. I liked the old list format.
 
Trenbolone&Cheese said:
Sure is. I haven’t disagreed with that once.

All i’m trying to point out is they’re still people. I would argue most trans people aren’t going to blow their lid off at you. This is really no different than disliking someone because they have a different view than you honestly. If they’re being disrespectful to you, sure go right back at them. But if they’re being respectful and you still choose to just blatantly be an asshole, there’s an issue with you more than there is with the person doing something that doesn’t affect you in the slightest. If you can’t set aside your personal beliefs to treat someone with even the slightest bit of dignity, I think you should take a long look in the mirror, and try to be a little more empathetic.
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Exactly my thought.
 
I actually see this as the golden opportunity to help put an end to all this feminazi/ toxic masculinity BS. The trannys and feminists(which are basically women pretending to be men to compete with men) fight it out about who is more of woman and by doing so it pushes more women towards traditional roles women play like motherhood, being a wife etc because they'll need some way to differentiate themselves.

All across social media women are standing up and saying things like "hey this career shit sucks" and "i love being a wife and mother". The role of mother or even wife being something that a career oriented feminist despises and a tranny can't be a mother no matter how much they believe they're a a woman.

IMO it's a necessary part of our society achieving order again.
 
As most of you know, I'm pretty left-minded. I don't care what you want to identify as, just don't get mad at people if they mess it up. Especially they/them when it isn't obvious and tough to adapt to that new branding. When people do get mad, I feel they are doing a huge disservice to the larger group of people who are trans and don't associate with that type of behaviour. As well as pushing people farther away from offering understanding.

As far as trans women in women's sports. I'm okay with it at a younger age. In my opinion, young girls actually have an advantage over boys in sports as they develop more quickly. However, once you hit a professional level, you have an unfair advantage. Perhaps not all, but we can obviously find cases where someone recently transitioned and have an elevated amount of testosterone compared to their competitors.

I don't feel this will last, I think things just need some time to figure itself out. Often, and in most things in life, when one side overreacts the other side pushes back hard, then the first reciprocates. In the end, you have a result where nothing seems fair and nothing makes sense anymore and neither side can see they're being idiots.
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
As most of you know, I'm pretty left-minded. I don't care what you want to identify as, just don't get mad at people if they mess it up. Especially they/them when it isn't obvious and tough to adapt to that new branding. When people do get mad, I feel they are doing a huge disservice to the larger group of people who are trans and don't associate with that type of behaviour. As well as pushing people farther away from offering understanding.

As far as trans women in women's sports. I'm okay with it at a younger age. In my opinion, young girls actually have an advantage over boys in sports as they develop more quickly. However, once you hit a professional level, you have an unfair advantage. Perhaps not all, but we can obviously find cases where someone recently transitioned and have an elevated amount of testosterone compared to their competitors.

I don't feel this will last, I think things just need some time to figure itself out. Often, and in most things in life, when one side overreacts the other side pushes back hard, then the first reciprocates. In the end, you have a result where nothing seems fair and nothing makes sense anymore and neither side can see they're being idiots.
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I agree with everything you said except the part about young boys and girls having an advantage.
I was always the shortest (and very light) in school, except the little Chinese girls, and when we would play sports as kids in the fields, even at and age like 10, not even the bigger girls could run as fast, hit a ball as hard and have the reflexes I had, and I was no sporty person by any means.

As a side note, my parents took me to a doctor to potentially get growth hormone therapy so I could catch up to the other guys. I didn’t really care that much so we didn’t go thru with it, and am happy because back then it was cadaver extracted and a bunch got Jacobs Crutchville diease.

As men and our different structure, higher gh (at even a young age), different mindset and even higher testosterone levels before puberty, we have a huge advantage. So even a late development type (didn’t really get pubic hair till 15) I still outclassed 99% of the girls.

At one point I couldn’t play sports with the guys because they would destroy me, so in junior high I played with the girls, and I killed them. But the girls who I were friends with didn’t mind, because I was on their team. Ok hate to admit this, but I could out skip them all as well.

Mind you in school and for play, who cares, co ed, but when we get to competition it isn’t really fair.
 
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aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
I'm okay with it at a younger age. In my opinion, young girls actually have an advantage over boys in sports as they develop more quickly.
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lol what

I have so many questions and concerns


Your saying it is ok for a kid to change gender at a young age ?
and this said kid to compete with the others because girl develop more quickly

I am absolutely baffled

topic is real competition
Of course gym class in fkn secondary school you play dodge ball with girls and guys and you sometimes play flag football mixed
No one is talking about that

We’re talking about real competitions

For example now you have miss Portugal who is actually mister

That’s what we are saying about where is the line drawn

I know people who are tranns and gay and this and that
Fuck some of the gay dudes I know are the most jacked and best looking lol I’m straight enough to say that and I’m sure enough to say that mixing them into top level female comp is wrong
 
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Goldenrod said:
Are you saying (serious question) everyone who is identifies as transgender has a mental disorder? Just curious as you are 'with' one and you believe she (albeit she has male genitalia - no?_) has a mental disorder? There is no sarcarsm or poking fun at anyone in this post, I am being serious with my questions and I do my best not to judge people if they aren't hurting others. I don't care who you are or what you look like (even if I don't understand it) as long as you are a decent person. If your a fucker - male, female, gay, different colour, where your from, male dressing and relating as a female, etc. - your a fucker. If you aren't and treat me with respect, I will reciprocate.
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As Bagua stated gender dysphoria is classified as a mental disorder and maybe they're changing the verbiage in the DSM 5.
My GF does have male genitalia yes. She is female in all other aspects of her life, she is very attractive and men do flirt with her often. I have no problem attracting women but more attracted to pretty trans women than other pretty women. I'm not attracted to men.

I don't know if our soul has a gender but if it does hers is female.
 
CoolRick said:
I actually see this as the golden opportunity to help put an end to all this feminazi/ toxic masculinity BS. The trannys and feminists(which are basically women pretending to be men to compete with men) fight it out about who is more of woman and by doing so it pushes more women towards traditional roles women play like motherhood, being a wife etc because they'll need some way to differentiate themselves.

All across social media women are standing up and saying things like "hey this career shit sucks" and "i love being a wife and mother". The role of mother or even wife being something that a career oriented feminist despises and a tranny can't be a mother no matter how much they believe they're a a woman.

IMO it's a necessary part of our society achieving order again.
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I have a strong dislike of the modern feminist. I find it quite hilarious to see them upset about trans women.
 
Sorbate said:
I agree with everything you said except the part about young boys and girls having an advantage.
I was always the shortest (and very light) in school, except the little Chinese girls, and when we would play sports as kids in the fields, even at and age like 10, not even the bigger girls could run as fast, hit a ball as hard and have the reflexes I had, and I was no sporty person by any means.

As a side note, my parents took me to a doctor to potentially get growth hormone therapy so I could catch up to the other guys. I didn’t really care that much so we didn’t go thru with it, and am happy because back then it was cadaver extracted and a bunch got Jacobs Crutchville diease.

As men and our different structure, higher gh (at even a young age), different mindset and even higher testosterone levels before puberty, we have a huge advantage. So even a late development type (didn’t really get pubic hair till 15) I still outclassed 99% of the girls.

At one point I couldn’t play sports with the guys because they would destroy me, so in junior high I played with the girls, and I killed them. But the girls who I were friends with didn’t mind, because I was on their team. Ok hate to admit this, but I could out skip them all as well.

Mind you in school and for play, who cares, co ed, but when we get to competition it isn’t really fair.
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Physical advantages are generalizations they exist but they're not universal. The real differences exist at the extremes that live on the edge of the bell curve. A professional female fighter could beat almost all men her weight at fighting because she is a uniquely tough woman but a professional male fighter would beat her easily because he is an exceptionally tough man but there is a lot of overlap inside that curve.

My original opinion was that trans women should not complete with women because of genetic advantages but in life there are other physical advantages that exist beyond sex. Any elite athlete has genetic advantages that are "unfair" to the other competitors Ed Coan was the greatest powerlifter of all time because of his unique body proportions.
 
FitTrader said:
lol what

I have so many questions and concerns


Your saying it is ok for a kid to change gender at a young age ?
and this said kid to compete with the others because girl develop more quickly

I am absolutely baffled

topic is real competition
Of course gym class in fkn secondary school you play dodge ball with girls and guys and you sometimes play flag football mixed
No one is talking about that

We’re talking about real competitions

For example now you have miss Portugal who is actually mister

That’s what we are saying about where is the line drawn

I know people who are tranns and gay and this and that
Fuck some of the gay dudes I know are the most jacked and best looking lol I’m straight enough to say that and I’m sure enough to say that mixing them into top level female comp is wrong
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You only asked 1 question, lol... I'll try to answer it.

The word transition can be taken in a bunch of different ways, often out of context since people often think to extremes. "Transitional Therapy" can include verbal counselling. Am I OK with someone getting counselling at a young age for people who are curious and possibly confused? Sure, why not?

As far as the remainder of your concerns, pretty sure I outlined I'm against having transgender females competing competitively against biological females.
 
Sorbate said:
I agree with everything you said except the part about young boys and girls having an advantage.
I was always the shortest (and very light) in school, except the little Chinese girls, and when we would play sports as kids in the fields, even at and age like 10, not even the bigger girls could run as fast, hit a ball as hard and have the reflexes I had, and I was no sporty person by any means.

As a side note, my parents took me to a doctor to potentially get growth hormone therapy so I could catch up to the other guys. I didn’t really care that much so we didn’t go thru with it, and am happy because back then it was cadaver extracted and a bunch got Jacobs Crutchville diease.

As men and our different structure, higher gh (at even a young age), different mindset and even higher testosterone levels before puberty, we have a huge advantage. So even a late development type (didn’t really get pubic hair till 15) I still outclassed 99% of the girls.

At one point I couldn’t play sports with the guys because they would destroy me, so in junior high I played with the girls, and I killed them. But the girls who I were friends with didn’t mind, because I was on their team. Ok hate to admit this, but I could out skip them all as well.

Mind you in school and for play, who cares, co ed, but when we get to competition it isn’t really fair.
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lol, I wasn't thinking this would get a reaction. For the record, that statement isn't something that I will defend that hard, but here is why I feel I can argue it (a bit anyway, I will keep this as short as I can)

I have 3 boys, I've coached multiple sports at multiple levels for the past 12 years now, the most prominent and the one I have the most knowledge and data on is Hockey. You have to consider the numbers. That is, how many females actually have an interest in and partake in sports? I'll offer a small sample of data, take it for what it's worth. My 10 year old plays hockey at the highest level for his age. For this top team, they had 170 kids try out. about 12 of those were female. In total, there were 24 goalies that tried out, 1 of those was female. He has 13 skaters and 2 goalies on his team that were picked. Out of that, the top goalie (by a good margin) was the girl. For skaters, the 2nd seed is a girl, along with the 8th seed. 3 of the other girls made the other top team, I can't comment on where the remainder ended up as I have no knowledge of where they play. This is my youngest son, the other 2 older ones had similar experiences while playing on top teams. There are 13 boys' teams made up at that age group, outside of this, there are 2 girls teams (that only play girls' hockey, and didn't try out) I realize this is still a hard argument for me, but I do feel that if you're a girl, who has an interest in sports to actually work at it. You may have an advantage hormone-wise over the boys until about age 12-13.

I realize this is a tough argument because we see so many girls/women in sports who are brutal. Just a unique observation I've made over the last 12 years.
 
Negan said:
As Bagua stated gender dysphoria is classified as a mental disorder and maybe they're changing the verbiage in the DSM 5.
My GF does have male genitalia yes. She is female in all other aspects of her life, she is very attractive and men do flirt with her often. I have no problem attracting women but more attracted to pretty trans women than other pretty women. I'm not attracted to men.

I don't know if our soul has a gender but if it does hers is female.
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It is a very Interesting topic to be honest, from an anthropological and psychological perspective.

Early days the Macedonian empire during Alexander the Great era a lot of men were very attracted to beauty itself, this is clearly predominant on females and a lot of them ended up being “women” somehow.

Or the brotherhood bonding through sexual relationships among armies in the Roman Empire or Sparta.

But, we evolved as heterosexual predominant society and defined gender since the moment we are born. Note that there is a difference between sex and gender.
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
You only asked 1 question, lol... I'll try to answer it.

The word transition can be taken in a bunch of different ways, often out of context since people often think to extremes. "Transitional Therapy" can include verbal counselling. Am I OK with someone getting counselling at a young age for people who are curious and possibly confused? Sure, why not?

As far as the remainder of your concerns, pretty sure I outlined I'm against having transgender females competing competitively against biological females.
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Confused about what at a young age

I don’t remember anyone young being confused until people started promoting them to be confused
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
lol, I wasn't thinking this would get a reaction. For the record, that statement isn't something that I will defend that hard, but here is why I feel I can argue it (a bit anyway, I will keep this as short as I can)

I have 3 boys, I've coached multiple sports at multiple levels for the past 12 years now, the most prominent and the one I have the most knowledge and data on is Hockey. You have to consider the numbers. That is, how many females actually have an interest in and partake in sports? I'll offer a small sample of data, take it for what it's worth. My 10 year old plays hockey at the highest level for his age. For this top team, they had 170 kids try out. about 12 of those were female. In total, there were 24 goalies that tried out, 1 of those was female. He has 13 skaters and 2 goalies on his team that were picked. Out of that, the top goalie (by a good margin) was the girl. For skaters, the 2nd seed is a girl, along with the 8th seed. 3 of the other girls made the other top team, I can't comment on where the remainder ended up as I have no knowledge of where they play. This is my youngest son, the other 2 older ones had similar experiences while playing on top teams. There are 13 boys' teams made up at that age group, outside of this, there are 2 girls teams (that only play girls' hockey, and didn't try out) I realize this is still a hard argument for me, but I do feel that if you're a girl, who has an interest in sports to actually work at it. You may have an advantage hormone-wise over the boys until about age 12-13.

I realize this is a tough argument because we see so many girls/women in sports who are brutal. Just a unique observation I've made over the last 12 years.
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i mean when i was playing bantam C hockey, the midget AAA women’s team was in our league and went 0-14. So perhaps you’re specifically talking younger like >12 in which case there could be some truth to it. If i remember correctly, they had 3 goals for and 185 against.
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
As far as trans women in women's sports. I'm okay with it at a younger age. In my opinion, young girls actually have an advantage over boys in sports as they develop more quickly. However, once you hit a professional level, you have an unfair advantage. Perhaps not all, but we can obviously find cases where someone recently transitioned and have an elevated amount of testosterone compared to their competitors.
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No child has any ability to decide they want to transition. It’s an agenda pushed onto them. Until you’re an adult and can make decisions for yourself, you shouldn’t even have a therapist further pushing the agenda against you. Let kids be kids yaknow. If they truly still have those feelings at 18, I don’t care. I heavily draw the line at kids with 99% of things.
 
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