Substance abuse

[Goldenrod]

I've always wanted to, I've always said once I get to the weight class I'm going to join something. I like the gym but I don't like how it's all knowledge and results, and the results disappear so quick when u stop. But an actual sport like MMA or boxing also requires to learn skills which doesn't go away

I don't follow your comment regarding getting to a weight class. Almost all combat sport gyms could give a shit what your weight is unless your going into a weight controlled competition. There are women, guys who weight 130 lbs and guys who weigh close to 300 at most locals.
Once you are approved for sparring - they will set you up with someone of somewhat equal skill and size.

The results from weight lifting if not gained by PED's only, don't disappear - you won't stay the same if you are on a gram of gear for 4 months of multiple PED's and then stop but if you lift weights and want to keep it. Yes, knowledge is key, changes in your lifestyle like diet which is usually a healthy change, even training a few times a week. If you build muscle and lose some after - who cares. Muscle memory is real and if you go to any decent facility for self defence training / MMA or whatever you want to call it - there is usually a component of strength building which is often BW exercises for warm up and to help in your abilities.
If you depend on PED's for all your gains - stop, it's a waste of time. If you use it like a tool in your toolbox to help but is only a small component compared to diet, training and rest. Look at @BanditNOLIMIT 's diet and his avatar - he didn't get there with PED's alone. If it was me I would add in more fruit and vegetables but his diet is consistent and built to support growth. I read his posts as we never stop learning. @Oldguyjiujitsu has tons of posts on diet and is worth a read as he has a great diet IMO. So do many others so not excluding anyone but they come to mind.

Any combat training - at home, in classes, or with individuals you hire won't remain with you like walking does if you don't keep practising. Will the basics remain - sure, but if you don't keep working on foot work, continue to practice even once a week - you will forget and lose much of you learned. Flexibility is essential for most combat sports if you don't like injuries and you will lose that if you stop if you don't keep stretching. My point is, if it helps you in any manner pick one (any of them) - boxing, kickboxing, judo, I hate Jiu jitsu (hate the latter as I found it was easy to get hurt but love learning the chokes). If you want to start by yourself, there are great you-tube videos on proper technique and buy a heavy bag or BOB if you can afford it. Do it long enough and if the situation ever presents itself, you won't have to think - the practice / training just takes over. Further, having a bad day or struggling - a 30-60 minutes session stretching, warming up and smashing a heavy bag or practicing precision on a BOB is therapeutic. Even 'air boxing' is great.
No time like the present - you don't have to walk in an join and be ripped or lose weight before you go in. One the best Judo guys I know and now trains in Krav Magra looks like a cartoon character.
Hope you find something you like as if you don't, you probably won't stick with it.

 

[Sorbate]

I don't follow your comment regarding getting to a weight class. Almost all combat sport gyms could give a shit what your weight is unless your going into a weight controlled competition. There are women, guys who weight 130 lbs and guys who weigh close to 300 at most locals.
Once you are approved for sparring - they will set you up with someone of somewhat equal skill and size.

The results from weight lifting if not gained by PED's only, don't disappear - you won't stay the same if you are on a gram of gear for 4 months of multiple PED's and then stop but if you lift weights and want to keep it. Yes, knowledge is key, changes in your lifestyle like diet which is usually a healthy change, even training a few times a week. If you build muscle and lose some after - who cares. Muscle memory is real and if you go to any decent facility for self defence training / MMA or whatever you want to call it - there is usually a component of strength building which is often BW exercises for warm up and to help in your abilities.
If you depend on PED's for all your gains - stop, it's a waste of time. If you use it like a tool in your toolbox to help but is only a small component compared to diet, training and rest. Look at @BanditNOLIMIT 's diet and his avatar - he didn't get there with PED's alone. If it was me I would add in more fruit and vegetables but his diet is consistent and built to support growth. I read his posts as we never stop learning. @Oldguyjiujitsu has tons of posts on diet and is worth a read as he has a great diet IMO. So do many others so not excluding anyone but they come to mind.

Any combat training - at home, in classes, or with individuals you hire won't remain with you like walking does if you don't keep practising. Will the basics remain - sure, but if you don't keep working on foot work, continue to practice even once a week - you will forget and lose much of you learned. Flexibility is essential for most combat sports if you don't like injuries and you will lose that if you stop if you don't keep stretching. My point is, if it helps you in any manner pick one (any of them) - boxing, kickboxing, judo, I hate Jiu jitsu (hate the latter as I found it was easy to get hurt but love learning the chokes). If you want to start by yourself, there are great you-tube videos on proper technique and buy a heavy bag or BOB if you can afford it. Do it long enough and if the situation ever presents itself, you won't have to think - the practice / training just takes over. Further, having a bad day or struggling - a 30-60 minutes session stretching, warming up and smashing a heavy bag or practicing precision on a BOB is therapeutic. Even 'air boxing' is great.
No time like the present - you don't have to walk in an join and be ripped or lose weight before you go in. One the best Judo guys I know and now trains in Krav Magra looks like a cartoon character.
Hope you find something you like as if you don't, you probably won't stick with it.

I boxed for a decade in my youth, even won 2 amateur bouts. Stopped when I hit 18. I was great at moving out of the way and not getting hit, counter punching and so on.
About 3 years ago, got my grandson a bag and some gloves, when to spar with him a bit, and I had zero timing. It was gone. I could still throw a punch properly. I could see the opening, but had zero timing. It was frustrating that a kid with zero experience kept catching me, lol.

Yeah you lose it if you don't keep practicing. Mind you that was 30 years later, lol.

 

[Bigbear]

I boxed for a decade in my youth, even won 2 amateur bouts. Stopped when I hit 18. I was great at moving out of the way and not getting hit, counter punching and so on.
About 3 years ago, got my grandson a bag and some gloves, when to spar with him a bit, and I had zero timing. It was gone. I could still throw a punch properly. I could see the opening, but had zero timing. It was frustrating that a kid with zero experience kept catching me, lol.

Yeah you lose it if you don't keep practicing. Mind you that was 30 years later, lol.

That's why I've designed my entire cardio routine around martial arts, that way I'm killing two birds with one stone. I find it way more impact full on blood work and blood pressure and you can keep your skill level without loosing much. Not like you need the skills as you get older but it's just funner and more motivation.

 

[Sorbate]

That's why I've designed my entire cardio routine around martial arts, that way I'm killing two birds with one stone. I find it way more impact full on blood work and blood pressure and you can keep your skill level without loosing much. Not like you need the skills as you get older but it's just funner and more motivation.

I lost my ability because of not sparing. Not being in the ring and having someone throw punches at you takes away the edge.

Main thing I learned from sparing with my grandson was if I get into a fight, I better go hard first, because I do not have the talent to get out of the way anymore. It was a bit deflating.

 

[Bigbear]

I lost my ability because of not sparing. Not being in the ring and having someone throw punches at you takes away the edge.

Main thing I learned from sparing with my grandson was if I get into a fight, I better go hard first, because I do not have the talent to get out of the way anymore. It was a bit deflating.

Yea we do light sparing but it's still good cardio, heavy bag work has benefits, jujitsu classes....all of it helps with skill and if programed properly it can be all the cardio one needs, 2 one hour classes a week maybe a 3rd on the weekend and your golden. That's like 180 minutes a week of high intensity exercise.

 

[Palmer1991]

I don't follow your comment regarding getting to a weight class. Almost all combat sport gyms could give a shit what your weight is unless your going into a weight controlled competition. There are women, guys who weight 130 lbs and guys who weigh close to 300 at most locals.
Once you are approved for sparring - they will set you up with someone of somewhat equal skill and size.

The results from weight lifting if not gained by PED's only, don't disappear - you won't stay the same if you are on a gram of gear for 4 months of multiple PED's and then stop but if you lift weights and want to keep it. Yes, knowledge is key, changes in your lifestyle like diet which is usually a healthy change, even training a few times a week. If you build muscle and lose some after - who cares. Muscle memory is real and if you go to any decent facility for self defence training / MMA or whatever you want to call it - there is usually a component of strength building which is often BW exercises for warm up and to help in your abilities.
If you depend on PED's for all your gains - stop, it's a waste of time. If you use it like a tool in your toolbox to help but is only a small component compared to diet, training and rest. Look at @BanditNOLIMIT 's diet and his avatar - he didn't get there with PED's alone. If it was me I would add in more fruit and vegetables but his diet is consistent and built to support growth. I read his posts as we never stop learning. @Oldguyjiujitsu has tons of posts on diet and is worth a read as he has a great diet IMO. So do many others so not excluding anyone but they come to mind.

Any combat training - at home, in classes, or with individuals you hire won't remain with you like walking does if you don't keep practising. Will the basics remain - sure, but if you don't keep working on foot work, continue to practice even once a week - you will forget and lose much of you learned. Flexibility is essential for most combat sports if you don't like injuries and you will lose that if you stop if you don't keep stretching. My point is, if it helps you in any manner pick one (any of them) - boxing, kickboxing, judo, I hate Jiu jitsu (hate the latter as I found it was easy to get hurt but love learning the chokes). If you want to start by yourself, there are great you-tube videos on proper technique and buy a heavy bag or BOB if you can afford it. Do it long enough and if the situation ever presents itself, you won't have to think - the practice / training just takes over. Further, having a bad day or struggling - a 30-60 minutes session stretching, warming up and smashing a heavy bag or practicing precision on a BOB is therapeutic. Even 'air boxing' is great.
No time like the present - you don't have to walk in an join and be ripped or lose weight before you go in. One the best Judo guys I know and now trains in Krav Magra looks like a cartoon character.
Hope you find something you like as if you don't, you probably won't stick with it.

It's easier to gain weight hitting the gym 5x a week then it is to gain weight hitting the gym 3 times a week and sparring 2. So it's to get where I wanna be then jump into it instead of trying to get there when I'm burning a bunch of calories boxing and working out only 3x a week

So that's what I meant by it

 

[Bigbear]

It's easier to gain weight hitting the gym 5x a week then it is to gain weight hitting the gym 3 times a week and sparring 2. So it's to get where I wanna be then jump into it instead of trying to get there when I'm burning a bunch of calories boxing and working out only 3x a week

So that's what I meant by it

Yea I see what your saying, like bulk all winter then fight springs and summers but I always look at someone like Mike tyson, he wasn't always 215 to 240lb. He grew while training, all those classes all that road work and he still probably put on like 60lb of muscle. I don't know for sure but his amateur fights he looked like he was closer to 165lb.

 

[Sorbate]

Yea I see what your saying, like bulk all winter then fight springs and summers but I always look at someone like Mike tyson, he wasn't always 215 to 240lb. He grew while training, all those classes all that road work and he still probably put on like 60lb of muscle. I don't know for sure but his amateur fights he looked like he was closer to 165lb.

He was young and lean as hell then. We were all smaller when we were young, lol.

 

[Bigbear]

I'm just saying you can train and not waste away lol

 

[Bigbear]

Connor McGregor jumped 40lbs in 6 months, the list goes on and on. They aren't stage ready but lots of us don't compete in bodybuilding.

 

[Sorbate]

Connor McGregor jumped 40lbs in 6 months, the list goes on and on. They aren't stage ready but lots of us don't compete in bodybuilding.

I’m not competing. I have no interest in being that regimental. My thought is, I only need to look better than the average Joe, which really isn’t too hard. Farting hard daily would give me better abs, lol.

 

[Broseidon]

Was kind of handed fire at a young age, dropped out of high school in grade 9 to focus on my drinking. Left home like a year later, and was a shitty little street kid. 4-5 months later started staying with my buddy and his mom. He’d always call me a skinny— f-word you could use back then, so I started combining the weights and the liquor. Got jacked, stayed pissed, mission accomplished for like a good 10 years. Shitfaced every single day, drinking at work, just generally fucking my life up. Wasn’t a problem because I was still jacked, still getting my work done, and doing well in life. High-functioning or whatever. Until it all went tits up. Got fired, break-up, and some deaths in the family.

Wound up going on a 5 day bender, usual stuff the first day: liquor, whores, cigarettes, dope, mustard, and bologna. Until I wound up in a random trailer with these nice ladies, they handed me a bong, took a rip— burning plastic taste, fuck my life. Alright. So definitely just smoked some meth. Gave one lady some type of internal injury, and dipped through a window with out my shirt for zero reason. Definitely could have just used the front door, but fuck it, we’re smoking meth today.

Wrong side of town at 3am, sketchy looking native guys approach me. Uno reverse card, I immediately demand cigarettes from them. Somehow they acquiesce, get a half pack of darts and a lighter. Proceeded to run about 6km towards my home, luckily I ran in the complete, opposite direction. Acquired a bike, rode it to literally the next driveway, and abandoned it. Acquired cooler bike. Rode like 3 houses down. What the fuck is up with this neighborhood? Way cooler bike.

Rode that to a lovely young lady’s house, and proceeded to smoke meth, acquire things, and LARP GTA for 4 days. Realized that’s probably how meth works, and I immediately understood how it ruins lives. Gave the rest to that sweet, beautiful angel. Went home, eventually wound up in a hospital due to the booze withdrawal. They gave me a ton of benzos, woke up a few days later with some lady thinking she was my girlfriend in my house, and zero withdrawal symptoms.

That was kind of an eye-opener. Just the fact I had a physical dependence on a substance so strong it almost killed me. And like, fuck where’d it lead? I don’t think any sober man ever decides it’s a great idea to take a bump, or smoke some shabu.

It really pushed me towards the health-oriented side of exercise. I started focusing on pre-hab, flexibility, and cardio. I still rock weights, just not the main focus. It’s a different ballgame approaching life semi-sober. Working out has changed from getting jacked to get bitches, to routine to keep from drinking and stealing.

A man can live his life drinking potato vodka and lifting weights, but he’d have a much better time smokin’ dope and playing ball hockey with the boys.

 

[Maxdivenn]

I went through something similar last year and what really helped was outpatient rehab orange county. It gave me the structure I needed without having to be away from my job or family. The group sessions felt real—not forced—and I could relate to people there. If you're trying to keep your daily routine but still need help, it's a solid option.