Starting primo this week.
Would love to hear people’s experience running primo.
Would love to hear people’s experience running primo.
Share your experience with primo as an Ai
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I only ran it for a few weeks so I never got a great feel for it tbh. I did front load to steady serum the first week.
It felt really clean. Controlled and assertive without feeling overstimulated. Subtle though. Weak compared to mast or tren.
The look was really cool. Same fullness as deca. Better looking skin. Dry despite being so full.
Couldn't really say anything about the gains. I wasnt on long enough. I've heard its pretty close to test mg for mg.
It was a weak AI for me. I forget the doses I ran, but I remember being surprised how much primo I needed to keep the e2 under control.
It felt really clean. Controlled and assertive without feeling overstimulated. Subtle though. Weak compared to mast or tren.
The look was really cool. Same fullness as deca. Better looking skin. Dry despite being so full.
Couldn't really say anything about the gains. I wasnt on long enough. I've heard its pretty close to test mg for mg.
It was a weak AI for me. I forget the doses I ran, but I remember being surprised how much primo I needed to keep the e2 under control.
I haven't run it much at all but 50/50 ratio with test prop was nice. It definitely helps with fullness, I actually noticed it affects my mood more than I would have thought. I feel like for myself it's like a mini anadrol. My sleep has been affected too. Honestly writing this it sounds like it may have crushed my estrogen a bit but I believe that's because I stopped taking prop. I also added in 0.25 of adex before so you can't really learn much from my experience here.
Final thoughts are I'd only run it if I was doing a test only cycle. I'm sure it would be fantastic with 700mg of test. I'll probably actually do that just to lengthen a cycle without putting a toll on my health. If I was cruising then no, I want to be on as little test as possible even if I look much much smaller, I want my estrogen higher and I want as much peace for my body as possible. Anything extra is just wasting my time. If I eat enough protein, I still go to the gym, I don't over eat and I wasn't over training before all of this so I actually do go to the gym and at least do some DC training then I won't lose muscle in two months, I will look like I lost 10lbs of muscle in a week but that is just from not being as full.
Final thoughts are I'd only run it if I was doing a test only cycle. I'm sure it would be fantastic with 700mg of test. I'll probably actually do that just to lengthen a cycle without putting a toll on my health. If I was cruising then no, I want to be on as little test as possible even if I look much much smaller, I want my estrogen higher and I want as much peace for my body as possible. Anything extra is just wasting my time. If I eat enough protein, I still go to the gym, I don't over eat and I wasn't over training before all of this so I actually do go to the gym and at least do some DC training then I won't lose muscle in two months, I will look like I lost 10lbs of muscle in a week but that is just from not being as full.
I’m prescribed 200 mg per week and run 25 mg a week of primo with that along with DHEA.
This works best for me and I feel really good. All the things you want to function well and have zero sides. Mind you I have rarely ever gotten any sides.
This works best for me and I feel really good. All the things you want to function well and have zero sides. Mind you I have rarely ever gotten any sides.
Currently on 300mg of test e weekly.
Looking to add primo to help manage my e2 levels.
but I’m not sure if I should depend on primo for controlling my e2 or just run asin
I know my e2 is high because I started cycle at 215lbs and I’m now up to 240, I have scalp acne and oily skin.
Even though I’m holding a good amount of water I still look fairly lean, and I’m still just as vascular.
But my scalp acne has gotten so bad. My doctor even prescribed me accutane.
But the rules are to pull labs and move forward based on labs. Which is in the process
Thanks for your experience bro. Appreciate the comment.
would you say everyone is different when it comes to it being used as a efficient ai? I heard from others that even small amounts can tank their e2
Morning @Ilovelearning - do not come to the conclusion you have high E. I was convinced multiple times my estrogen or prolactin had to be high. Multiple tests showed it was right in the middle where it should be.
I love Primo - it makes me feel good and in low dosages and believe it to be one of the most healthy compounds. Not going to reap mass like Deca but as @Funnyman said, when lean it can shine. I feel more confident/just feel better (not the best way to describe the feeling but I like it), it can make your bones stronger, it does absolutely nothing to my estrogen or hormones except send my free test through the roof. If is a DHT compound so expect your free test to take a huge jump. It also increases my lymphocyte count by a small amount which is not bad - helping the immune system a little. I am yet to see a bad side other than hair loss with Primo. It isn't as bad as other compounds but most DHT compounds will cause some shedding.
I am referring to 150 mg a week added to 100 mg of test.
I have never need an AI or SERM yet but was convinced I did.
As you already said - "But the rules are to pull labs and move forward based on labs. Which is in the process"
If you can get private bloods through a naturopath - do it, it is worth the data you collect and keep the paperwork with notes on what you doing/taking/eating and even a pic of yourself. Keep a file to look back on as you do other cycles and you may find a pattern for your physiology.
@Ilovelearning , Regarding the anti-aromatase properties of Primo: I recommend everyone do this, but I know it takes some time and patience, so for now perhaps just add this to your data if it helps. Obviously, get bloodwork done if you can, it's great to have these answers for planning later gear combos and cycles...
When I learned that both Equipoise and Primobolan had Ai properties I ran both in two separate trial runs, matched with just testosterone at 1:1 ratios at 500mg each. I waited 8 weeks on each and did bloodwork. Both Eq and Primo had my estrogen at 85-105 which for me is pretty much perfect. So, in my case they worked the same, and subsequent blood tests where I was using up to 700 test/eq or lower amounts of say, 200/200 Testosterone / Primo also had my estrogen at around the same 80-100 range. So, I now knew that the 1:1 ratio was holding true at anything from 200 to 700 mgs of each.
Now I know, and that's super convenient but it took some effort. Especially since they work roughly the same at a 1:1 ratio, I can now use either as an AI and plan cycles accordingly.
So, take that for what it's worth. Some people react quite differently to Eq than Primo in this regard, so that's why if you're going to do one, you shouldn't necessarily assume the same effect from the other, but since we're talking Primo here, I usually tell people to try it out at 1:1 and test at 6-8 weeks.
When I learned that both Equipoise and Primobolan had Ai properties I ran both in two separate trial runs, matched with just testosterone at 1:1 ratios at 500mg each. I waited 8 weeks on each and did bloodwork. Both Eq and Primo had my estrogen at 85-105 which for me is pretty much perfect. So, in my case they worked the same, and subsequent blood tests where I was using up to 700 test/eq or lower amounts of say, 200/200 Testosterone / Primo also had my estrogen at around the same 80-100 range. So, I now knew that the 1:1 ratio was holding true at anything from 200 to 700 mgs of each.
Now I know, and that's super convenient but it took some effort. Especially since they work roughly the same at a 1:1 ratio, I can now use either as an AI and plan cycles accordingly.
So, take that for what it's worth. Some people react quite differently to Eq than Primo in this regard, so that's why if you're going to do one, you shouldn't necessarily assume the same effect from the other, but since we're talking Primo here, I usually tell people to try it out at 1:1 and test at 6-8 weeks.
As an a.i i dont like it. You cant expect the same results everytime and when it comes to estrogen without bloodwork sometimes you have no idea and just have to judge by side effects. Not everyone gets obvious ones like gyno. So higher doses you get side effects and with test and primo you have no idea if its high estrogen or low estrogen. I just dial in my test with an a.i first then bring in the primo and start playing with it from there.
Posting to support this scientific approach, I've tried to do similar with as many things as possible. Yes it takes some time and effort but the early effort pays off in the long run, sorta similar to compounding interest.
Unfortunately neither primo or mast work worth a shit as an AI for me personally but running similar trials like this saved me from a lot of wasted runs later. Primo:Test - 2:1 worked ok but I'm so fucking gyno sensitive it still was not quite enough. Sucks cause I'd rather not have to add an oral AI, less drugs is better.
dude i wish we had a private lab in Alberta lol. I’m yet to find one
Thanks for the response
Thanks for the response
Interesting and smart ideas. I did multiple 'dry runs' of hormone tests on lower dosages as I do not get up to the amounts you take. I go back to risk vs. reward. Not that your dosages are ridiculously high as they aren't, just high to my normal cycles - and as I have said it for man your age or at any age: You are in incredible shape. I would like to test something like higher test/primo (can't find primo anymore and may never again for all we know) but boldenone is plentiful and a popular vet steroid.
When you ran those amount of 700/700 - any issues? Did you take anything else with it? I love boldenone but the warnings on thickening your blood and potential kidney issues, has kept me at low dosages but it is incredible for increasing your cardio and shines if you take it for a longer period as it takes a long time to kick in.
My point to this post is to ask what you are using as for your numbers - is that pg/ml? Each Province and even different labs have different measuring metrics. According to 80-100 range, one lab would say you are high and another may say you are in normal range. I find this annoying to say the least so I lean back to how you look/feel. Retaining water or feel off?
This is about Primo, but Primo is going to be a drug that is rare (soon to be non-existent in UGL's unless it is faked) unless you get it from a pharmacy as it is used in medicine.
Back to my point - it would be greatly appreciated if people could put their measuring units with the numbers as different labs/provinces use different units and you have to convert.
I have to ask and yes this is off topic, but @Slartibartfast - what cycle were you on when you took that pic as you look amazing. Pics are so hard to measure and it really doesn't matter but I am curious (as regardless you look great) what height and weight are you in that pic?
Another great addition to this thread @Slartibartfast!
No bloodwork for confirmation here but a 1 to 1 with primo my estrogen felt fine. Even higher primo then test, i was fine.
On eq a 1 to 1 has me feeling like its low. Sex drive drops and my bones start to hurt. Feel like a old man at that ratio.
2:1 or 1.5:1 is much better on eq.
Mast i feel no difference either way. Seems like a waste of barrel space to me
On eq a 1 to 1 has me feeling like its low. Sex drive drops and my bones start to hurt. Feel like a old man at that ratio.
2:1 or 1.5:1 is much better on eq.
Mast i feel no difference either way. Seems like a waste of barrel space to me
Hey @Goldenrod ,
Estradiol #'s for me are pmol/L so the top end of the reference range (in ON) is <162, so "80-100" or so is fine by me, I don't notice anything at all. No water holding and my BP is always around 115/65 unless I'm into the Abombs....then it can climb.
So, I have been on low doses for a bit but when I was doing the 700/700 Test/Eq range the only side effects I noticed were a hyper-active CNS, which translates to the physical manifestations of anxiety, but no mental effects. I posted about this a few months back and what I was getting was the pounding heart feeling and the slight adrenaline fight / flight symptoms that people get when experiencing anxiety. I felt calm and normal mentally, but also felt like I was about to have to burst into a sprint or get into a fight any second. Just on edge and a bit jumpy physically. Weird. I dropped everything back to TRT for a while and it was fine after that. My HCT on lots of Eq does get up to 55% or so, but my blood pressure and patelets are fine, so that wasn't a concern for me or the doctor(s) that I consult with. Now it's back to 51%.
Never saw any change in Kidney or liver activity (over about 4 blood tests and 18 months of on and off Eq usage)
As for your questions regarding my height and weight, and what I'm running - I am going to start a log. I want to get a summer bulk log going and I'll put up some current pics and details on everything and everyone can watch the old dude attempt to avoid injury all summer while trying to get jacked.
I'll make an effort to do this today, and I think you may be surprised at what I've managed these last 4 years since I've taken up bodybuilding. I was a terrible, fat, unhleathy mess before....... The Log will reveal all.....lol. Coming soon..In the current avatar pic, that was Jan 18 and I had been on 200/200 test and Mast for some time there. I'm a little bigger and leaner now...so new pics are warranted for sure.