Scripted TRT with Deca

[simonw]

hey all, I am 6 weeks new to this whole TRT game, I was hoping I would feel a little bit of relief with my arthritis (both Osteo & rheumatoid) but no cigar. Just wondering how many of you added Deca to the protocol and what does your trt doc say about it? I am tempted to give it a try and if I decide to go ahead I will add after my 8 week BW. Another question regarding shipping from UGL, any of you concern with the oil freezing while on route? We can hit -40 where I am at so thought I would ask.
thanks Simon

 

[DeeKnows]

hey all, I am 6 weeks new to this whole TRT game, I was hoping I would feel a little bit of relief with my arthritis (both Osteo & rheumatoid) but no cigar. Just wondering how many of you added Deca to the protocol and what does your trt doc say about it? I am tempted to give it a try and if I decide to go ahead I will add after my 8 week BW. Another question regarding shipping from UGL, any of you concern with the oil freezing while on route? We can hit -40 where I am at so thought I would ask.
thanks Simon

Deca and or anavar both help with joint pains for me personally but im not at athritis level yet.
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Good luck

 

[DeeKnows]

Or go old school and do the whole gym change room deal!

 

[Sorbate]

Run 50 mg a week of deca. I’ve done that months on end.

Not sure what your trt doc will say, likely won’t be happy

I never worry about it freezing.

 

[torauntjemima]

Doctor will likely notice and I'm sure they will question it since it's a controlled substance. They will want to discuss it at the very least.

 

[simonw]

Or go old school and do the whole gym change room deal!
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with everything going online, no one deals in the changing room anymore do they? lol
I walked into few transactions back in the days at GxxxGym almost just like your picture. good old days

 

[DeeKnows]

with everything going online, no one deals in the changing room anymore do they? lol
I walked into few transactions back in the days at GxxxGym almost just like your picture. good old days

There is still some face to face exchanges going on.
The pic is from the movie The Wrestler when he buys juice for his career

 

[RigPig]

hey all, I am 6 weeks new to this whole TRT game, I was hoping I would feel a little bit of relief with my arthritis (both Osteo & rheumatoid) but no cigar. Just wondering how many of you added Deca to the protocol and what does your trt doc say about it? I am tempted to give it a try and if I decide to go ahead I will add after my 8 week BW. Another question regarding shipping from UGL, any of you concern with the oil freezing while on route? We can hit -40 where I am at so thought I would ask.
thanks Simon

Have you considered peptides, look into TB-500 and BPC-157 protocols
Low and slow doses for longer term use. It will likely cost more than low-dose Deca, but you won’t jeopardize your TRT script and it comes with less potential side effects.
If you’re hellbent on Deca, would your Doc support that decision as well?
Deca takes a long time to clear, you will skew your numbers and this early into your TRT you will likely get dropped.

Either way, I wouldn’t worry about the -40 temps, even if your gear does crash because of the cold, a simple heat bath for the vial will help get it back into solution. That’s a whole other discussion but a very simple one.

 

[simonw]

@RigPig i was looking at BPC & TB and from everything I read they do well on tissue related (ie tendon, ligaments) injuries, I didn’t think they would do well for osteoporosis joint pain which typically is the result of lack of cartilage. You think it could help?

 

[RigPig]

@RigPig i was looking at BPC & TB and from everything I read they do well on tissue related (ie tendon, ligaments) injuries, I didn’t think they would do well for osteoporosis joint pain which typically is the result of lack of cartilage. You think it could help?

They help with Pain and inflammation. I know someone using it to treat her RA and swears by it. As for the osteoporosis part if it, I don’t know enough about that

 

[Goldenrod]

Have you considered peptides, look into TB-500 and BPC-157 protocols
Low and slow doses for longer term use. It will likely cost more than low-dose Deca, but you won’t jeopardize your TRT script and it comes with less potential side effects.
If you’re hellbent on Deca, would your Doc support that decision as well?
Deca takes a long time to clear, you will skew your numbers and this early into your TRT you will likely get dropped.

Either way, I wouldn’t worry about the -40 temps, even if your gear does crash because of the cold, a simple heat bath for the vial will help get it back into solution. That’s a whole other discussion but a very simple one.

If you choose deca, be aware it will show up in blood work as testosterone (not 1 to 1 like test but your test numbers will be higher). If you added another compound like Primo it would just increase your free test/not total test. Oxandrolone is not a long term fix unless your lipids and liver are impervious (regardless of your kidneys doing most of the metabolism) but many claim it helps heal. No TRT doc in Canada is going to support you taking Deca and if you discuss it with him/her - you may find you are dropped as a patient. There might be an exception to that statement but I highly doubt it.
Per Rigpig - the half life is long and the metabolites stay in your system for a very long time. I wouldn't jeopardize my script - if you want to try deca, you could do the low dose and stop short by weeks before a blood draw. Better yet use NPP - it has a much shorter ester and will kick in quicker and clear quicker. Exact same drug, just different half lives.
Keep in mind BPC157/TB500 has it's place but there are many other remedies for arthritis - BCP (not BPC157) and injectable curcumin (Curcuject) among others that are sold by some labs.
Good luck

 

[Cadillac]

hey all, I am 6 weeks new to this whole TRT game, I was hoping I would feel a little bit of relief with my arthritis (both Osteo & rheumatoid) but no cigar. Just wondering how many of you added Deca to the protocol and what does your trt doc say about it? I am tempted to give it a try and if I decide to go ahead I will add after my 8 week BW. Another question regarding shipping from UGL, any of you concern with the oil freezing while on route? We can hit -40 where I am at so thought I would ask.
thanks Simon

If you're new to TRT, then chances are you will have to show bloods every 12 weeks. Wait until they move you to bloodwork every six months, then look at adding 50-100mg a week. I would run the Deca for at most, 16 weeks. However, keep in mind, you're still running the risk of it negatively effecting bloods - Deca can show for up to a year. Everything comes with risks. I ran 100mgs/week with my TRT awhile ago. It make a big difference, but I did get a little wet noodle action going on.

I find creakiness shows up worst for me this time of year. I think once I'm done farting around with building, I will "retire" to TRT and run Deca (50mg-ish) during the Winter months....... That or move to Arizona

 

[Devson]

hey all, I am 6 weeks new to this whole TRT game, I was hoping I would feel a little bit of relief with my arthritis (both Osteo & rheumatoid) but no cigar. Just wondering how many of you added Deca to the protocol and what does your trt doc say about it? I am tempted to give it a try and if I decide to go ahead I will add after my 8 week BW. Another question regarding shipping from UGL, any of you concern with the oil freezing while on route? We can hit -40 where I am at so thought I would ask.
thanks Simon

How old are you and do you ever hope to have a chance of having kids?

I would start with NPP and see how your side effects are. When I was on deca/NPP my blood lipids raised quite significantly and it grew the size of my sebum glands so I developed big acne (happens every time). Otherwise sometimes for some people even 50mg NPP a week is the magic bullet for growing. You don't need a lot. I would have to be pretty desperate to ever consider it for arthritis. Research it because it may just make the condition worse because maybe you'll grind away more?

 

[simonw]

@Devson i am 53, kids are 31 & 23, we are done with having kids for sure.
Thanks guys, lots to look into, at the moment i am rethinking bpc/tb combo again. Whatever I decide on i will wait until I have my trt dialed in first.
As a side note glad I found this site, lots of knowledgeable people here with great advise. Also glad I didn’t get into “the gear” 30 years ago when I was about to just jump into it without much research, sure is a lot to consider with so many choices and side effects. I would have done a lot of damage to myself.

 

[Sorbate]

@Devson i am 53, kids are 31 & 23, we are done with having kids for sure.
Thanks guys, lots to look into, at the moment i am rethinking bpc/tb combo again. Whatever I decide on i will wait until I have my trt dialed in first.
As a side note glad I found this site, lots of knowledgeable people here with great advise. Also glad I didn’t get into “the gear” 30 years ago when I was about to just jump into it without much research, sure is a lot to consider with so many choices and side effects. I would have done a lot of damage to myself.

As a guy your age, deca at 50 mg a week will do far more than bpc or tb will do.

You go from aching joints (you know things like lifting heavy stuff over your head your shoulders ache) and in about 2-3 weeks your joints feel like they did in your 30’s.

Only down side for me, is after about 3 months it starts to effect my dick, so I discontinue, but I do find the improved non aching joints stay that way for pretty much the rest of the year.

Last 2 or 3 years, I have done 125mg of test and 50 mg of deca during my busiest months at work, so oct, Nov, dec. I do lots of heavy lifting, longer hours then.

I never started to take gear until I was 43.

 

[torauntjemima]

As a guy your age, deca at 50 mg a week will do far more than bpc or tb will do.

You go from aching joints (you know things like lifting heavy stuff over your head your shoulders ache) and in about 2-3 weeks your joints feel like they did in your 30’s.

Only down side for me, is after about 3 months it starts to effect my dick, so I discontinue, but I do find the improved non aching joints stay that way for pretty much the rest of the year.

Last 2 or 3 years, I have done 125mg of test and 50 mg of deca during my busiest months at work, so oct, Nov, dec. I do lots of heavy lifting, longer hours then.

I never started to take gear until I was 43.

At 41 I love this post. I have aching in my shoulders for sure and I've just been dialing back a bit here and there until it's under control, but I've been eyeing deca for a while and I'm about ready to jump on that train.

Thanks for the insight!

 

[Sorbate]

At 41 I love this post. I have aching in my shoulders for sure and I've just been dialing back a bit here and there until it's under control, but I've been eyeing deca for a while and I'm about ready to jump on that train.

Thanks for the insight!

I have had hurting shoulders pretty much all my life from my job and the renovation labour work I do as a hobby. But the last couple years that has reduced. At times my shoulders would get so bad it would be tough to lift my arms up. I don’t think being a shorter dude, who lifts a carry’s things like a 280lb 6’5” man helps either, lol.

So I have a tip you can try, and I found it worked, was so simple that I thought no way that would help.

Roll your lats. Especially the outter edge. What I did was use a lacrosse ball in a long tube sock (so you don’t drop it on the floor) and then against a wall rolled around in there looking for the spots that hurt. When I first did it, the pain was almost unbearable. Now I get almost no pain unless I become a lazy ass and don’t roll it for a couple weeks (we all do that, lol).

I was watching a vid one night when I couldn’t sleep where a guy was getting deep tissue massage done on his lats for a shoulder issue and I thought, hey why not try it.

See when you have muscle imbalances from tight muscles, things don’t track where they are supposed to and it causes issues, like sore shoulders that you thought was a rotor cuff injury from training, but in reality your injury was from a tight lat or trap, pulling your should out of position causing the rotor cuff inflammation issue.

I used deca now not because I’m fixing an issue, it’s because I’m almost mid 50’s and my belief is, at this age your body starts to slow production of pretty much everything, so I would bet that you don’t produce as much joint juice, your discs are getting harder (maybe the lack of juice or lower blood flow speeds this) and in the fall when things get colder and the air dries, I believe your body dries out. So I run a tiny bit of deca in the fall when I notice the change happening. My thought is deca restores things to a point, maybe prolonging my age related decline, lol.

 

[simonw]

At 41 I love this post. I have aching in my shoulders for sure and I've just been dialing back a bit here and there until it's under control, but I've been eyeing deca for a while and I'm about ready to jump on that train.

Thanks for the insight!

My aches & pain started around 41 as well, first my right shoulder, turned out it’s osteoporosis (bone on bone), then SI joint and thats caused by rotated hip which is a result of a constant active eractor spinel… I learned (although a little late for me)that you have to get these things looked after right away or they will “stick”. Like Sorbate suggested everything is connected in your body, it might be hard to track down the source but you gotta look in order to find it. One thing that really helps me is IMS needling, it really helps release the tensed muscles.
@Sorbate , again thanks for the advise, your description is like as if you are my chiropractor/physio therapist lol. I will have to keep digging into both deca & bpc/tb. Deca pp is a concern as that is part of the reason why I am on this trt thing. I am hoping to up my 80mg/wk test after my 8 week bw review to a level that would help ease some of my aches & pain thats related to inflammation… a guy can hope right.

 

[Sorbate]

My aches & pain started around 41 as well, first my right shoulder, turned out it’s osteoporosis (bone on bone), then SI joint and thats caused by rotated hip which is a result of a constant active eractor spinel… I learned (although a little late for me)that you have to get these things looked after right away or they will “stick”. Like Sorbate suggested everything is connected in your body, it might be hard to track down the source but you gotta look in order to find it. One thing that really helps me is IMS needling, it really helps release the tensed muscles.
@Sorbate , again thanks for the advise, your description is like as if you are my chiropractor/physio therapist lol. I will have to keep digging into both deca & bpc/tb. Deca pp is a concern as that is part of the reason why I am on this trt thing. I am hoping to up my 80mg/wk test after my 8 week bw review to a level that would help ease some of my aches & pain thats related to inflammation… a guy can hope right.

No wonder why you havn’t seen a benefit.
80 mg a week? I’d feel blah on that as well. Hopefully they will get you up to 100 or 125mg a week.

Deca pp at 50 mg a week is nothing that cialis can’t fix.

 

[torauntjemima]

My aches & pain started around 41 as well, first my right shoulder, turned out it’s osteoporosis (bone on bone), then SI joint and thats caused by rotated hip which is a result of a constant active eractor spinel… I learned (although a little late for me)that you have to get these things looked after right away or they will “stick”. Like Sorbate suggested everything is connected in your body, it might be hard to track down the source but you gotta look in order to find it. One thing that really helps me is IMS needling, it really helps release the tensed muscles.
@Sorbate , again thanks for the advise, your description is like as if you are my chiropractor/physio therapist lol. I will have to keep digging into both deca & bpc/tb. Deca pp is a concern as that is part of the reason why I am on this trt thing. I am hoping to up my 80mg/wk test after my 8 week bw review to a level that would help ease some of my aches & pain thats related to inflammation… a guy can hope right.

Small world. I also have osteoarthritis in my SI joint. From some round chute jumps in my 30's. Smart.

I am going to follow the advice here first, as I want to keep my injections to twice a week, just test, if I can.