About to start a off season cycle for 20weeks of 600 test 300 primo 300npp and 50mg tbol for 6 weeks was thinking of swapping out the npp and tbol for 150 tren for 6 weeks then adding back in the npp because Im hearing such negative results from tbol what're every ones thoughts on tbol? And what has it done for you
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"Negative results from tbol"
What is this sorcery?
Tbol making people lose muscle now?
Tbol, legit tbol will provide more lean muscle gains than anavar or winstrol while providing a decent fullness to the muscles. It is not comparable to anadrol or dbol in terms of muscle gains. To gain a fair amount of muscle on tbol one must take double thier dbol effective dose imo. If 40 dbol works for you then take 80 tbol, the results will be visible and pronounced.
But really if gaining more muscle is the goal than just taking more test or nandrolone is the better option always.
Think of tbol of a less athstetic more anabolic version of var and winny.
What is this sorcery?
Tbol making people lose muscle now?
Tbol, legit tbol will provide more lean muscle gains than anavar or winstrol while providing a decent fullness to the muscles. It is not comparable to anadrol or dbol in terms of muscle gains. To gain a fair amount of muscle on tbol one must take double thier dbol effective dose imo. If 40 dbol works for you then take 80 tbol, the results will be visible and pronounced.
But really if gaining more muscle is the goal than just taking more test or nandrolone is the better option always.
Think of tbol of a less athstetic more anabolic version of var and winny.
I mean not negative feed back just underwhelming results from it in terms of tissue gain
Its always expectations vs reality with tbol that they complain about. They must have thought it was like anadrol or something in terms of gains, its not
I always liked tbol overall as a drug....but the back pumps were ridiculous....subjectively worse than dbol. Only thing I didn't like about it.
That’s why I never went over 60. At 80 the back pumps made it very uncomfortable to train
Will add - I agree with this. Do I think the stress on your body from orals are worth it - no. For someone who is competing in strength competitions or BB contests, they are great, but if you want to keep your gains you are much better off increasing the injectables. 3 injectables is enough and you don't even need to increase the dosages anyway - you are already taking 1200 mg of injectables a week.
Everyone knows I am conservative, but all you are doing is adding stress to your organs at the end of a cycle and sure you will look great for a while, but you won't keep the gains from the orals. At least that was my experience when I could take orals.
There are exceptions - there is a very wise lady on this thread that is limited to specific PED's because she is female and may need orals plus she competes. Different situation than the average guy who wants to grow at the gym.
If you compete, save the orals for getting ready and no, I do not compete - I am going 100% by what coaches I know recommend.
Each to their own, I'm no one's gatekeeper. If you want to use orals, do it. I tried many including T-bol and my liver enzymes went through the roof but I felt great and loved it for the few weeks before I got my blood work back. At that point I threw them out. Same with Oxandrolone, or any oral - too much stress on my body. Lipids start to go in the wrong direction too.
Further, even if I could take them now, I wouldn't I would rather increase my Primo and NPP by a little and expect to keep a lot of the growth.