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MrG said:
Ha, I am tool. I don't even have the drugs right. I am on 0.25mg post injection day so 0.5mg weekly of ANASTRAZOLE. I'm a mess fellas.

@Oldguyjiujitsu that bloodwork with E2 at 220 and free T 803 was before I started taking the anastrazole. I'm curious to see on my next bloodwork what my E2 is at now.

I honestly don't think bodyfat is this issue here. I know I'm a littler thicker than I was in the summer but not by a lot. This photo was a couple months ago around the time of my reassessment and 220 e2
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I said I would be back, short on time again but this time I actually read yer post instead of looking just looking at the pic quickly.
I don't know if you are a tool (yet lol) but can confirm you are a mess - Arimidex is Anastrazole.

As I said before I think you'll be fine once you wrap your head around this shit.
My advice-

Take a breath. Settle right down and start from the beginning (re)learning what you need to know.
This is the most basic stuff so just completely nail it. Take it one step at a time. Never make more than one change at a time.
You feel good now right? Don't change a thing.

Timing of bloodwork is extremely important if you want to learn anything from it. Best time by far IMO luckily happens to be with a every 3.5 days inj schedule and blood drawn at the lowest point (the trough) right before the next inj. Hopefully that is what you have done. Even if it wasn't the likely best move here is to start doing it that way EVERY TIME from now on.
Hopefully you will get bloods through them at 6 months, if not find another way to get it anytime from now till then. Again don't change a thing until you get bloods which is hopefully in the next month or so, reason being it would muddy whatever you could learn about how this protocol works for you.

Meanwhile start the education. Everything you need for now is right on this site, get a notebook for notes and get reading, look at all the info in the sub forums. Get a grasp, don't overcomplicate shit then start using the search function. Get educated enough to ask good questions. If you are polite about it and don't expect to be endlessly spoon fed you will get a shit ton of help here.

Yes there is a lot more too it but all you need to do first is dial it in. A very common mantra for TRT is "treat the symptoms not the numbers". You said you feel good so you are already dialed in. Get up to speed on the terminology and how shit all works because some changes will come over time and eventually you will need to make adjustments.

You look like you either know how to train and eat well or you are genetically gifted physically, there is only one more piece to the success for health equation here and you're at a great place to complete the equation.
 
MrG said:
What's it feel like to be too low on e2? Just as easy to notice in your experience?
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Edit: I had not read @gondar1 post before I did mine and now my advice sounds like the drunk uncle giving advice on how to pick up woman, lol

For me low estrogen,

Aching joints, foggy headed like I can't get it together for the day. I just ride it out and you are better in a couple days.

I always error to the high estrogen side anyways. High estrogen doesn't suck like low estrogen.

Usually I wait till my estrogen is high and I want to get emotional watching something on tv, or my wood isn't as good.

After this long, I just know, I get a feeling, then I take 1 mg of adex and next day usually its all better, if not I wait a day and take another 1 mg. Then I'm usually good for a few weeks.

I am like this, when you are natural nothing is ever in perfect balance, win at a game your test is higher, get drunk you have more estrogen. So I kinda just let my body float around a bit. Kinda like when you are driving on black ice, you let the car wonder a bit, but you stay on the road.

I find that lots of people try to have everything perfect, but there is no perfect, so they are chasing an impossibility.

Plus if you never have the times where you feel less than optimal, how will you know you are feeling wicked? Then it just turns into a constant state of blah, even all the time.

This is why I like prop every other day, its moves up and down a bit.

Ok last analogy, if you ate a perfect steak every time you cooked it, one day you'll be sick of steak because perfect every time becomes boring.

So more or less I am saying don't sweat it, wait till you want to cry thinking about your family, lol and you can't maintain a boner as well as normal and then take 1 mg of adex. I do not know how to dose aromasin, so you'd have to figure that out yourself if you want to use that.
 
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gondar1 said:
I said I would be back, short on time again but this time I actually read yer post instead of looking just looking at the pic quickly.
I don't know if you are a tool (yet lol) but can confirm you are a mess - Arimidex is Anastrazole.

As I said before I think you'll be fine once you wrap your head around this shit.
My advice-

Take a breath. Settle right down and start from the beginning (re)learning what you need to know.
This is the most basic stuff so just completely nail it. Take it one step at a time. Never make more than one change at a time.
You feel good now right? Don't change a thing.

Timing of bloodwork is extremely important if you want to learn anything from it. Best time by far IMO luckily happens to be with a every 3.5 days inj schedule and blood drawn at the lowest point (the trough) right before the next inj. Hopefully that is what you have done. Even if it wasn't the likely best move here is to start doing it that way EVERY TIME from now on.
Hopefully you will get bloods through them at 6 months, if not find another way to get it anytime from now till then. Again don't change a thing until you get bloods which is hopefully in the next month or so, reason being it would muddy whatever you could learn about how this protocol works for you.

Meanwhile start the education. Everything you need for now is right on this site, get a notebook for notes and get reading, look at all the info in the sub forums. Get a grasp, don't overcomplicate shit then start using the search function. Get educated enough to ask good questions. If you are polite about it and don't expect to be endlessly spoon fed you will get a shit ton of help here.

Yes there is a lot more too it but all you need to do first is dial it in. A very common mantra for TRT is "treat the symptoms not the numbers". You said you feel good so you are already dialed in. Get up to speed on the terminology and how shit all works because some changes will come over time and eventually you will need to make adjustments.

You look like you either know how to train and eat well or you are genetically gifted physically, there is only one more piece to the success for health equation here and you're at a great place to complete the equation.
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Absolute mess. I realized after I corrected myself that they are the same drug. My brain has been scrambled between the holidays, a separation, Xmas with a sprinkle of night shifts.

Yes next bloodwork is in 1 month which brings me to the 6 month mark. I also have a bloodwork requisition from that wack job endo I could use anytime.

Appreciate the compliment. I've busted my ass since the decision to split. Over the last 18-24 months I have dropped 40lbs bodyfat and put on 25lb lean tissue. I used a nutritional coach to get me pointed in the right direction but have worked out on and off for a long time on my own. Nutrition was the big missing link. Well....and testosterone!
 
MrG said:
What's it feel like to be too low on e2? Just as easy to notice in your experience?
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Everyone is different… there’s a list of potential symptoms, which ones you experience are individual

For me the first thing I noticed when oestrogen is too low is I feel Meh… not good not bad, I feel nothing no libido nothing

If it crashes because I’m already quite lean my joints dry out and everything starts to ache.
 
Didn't read all the posts, but I felt best on 100mg once a week. With no ai.
That amount of ai doesn't seem right for trt, at least for me. I would run 0.25 a week running a full cycle
 
One other question to help you determine your baseline… the blood work where you got the results of 800 free test and 220 estrogen, how long after starting TRT was that bloodwork taken?

If it was taken in the first 3 to 4 months after starting, it’s likely not a clear picture of what your levels will be on TRT as your natural production probably had not fully been suppressed so you’re getting the natural plus the enhanced numbers added together.
This is a common issue for people new to TRT because after four months they start saying it’s not working as good as it did at the start because their natural production has now fully shut down and the only levels they have are from what’s being injected.

A second question… @gondar1 raise this as well, when did you get the blood work drawn compared to when you did your last pin?

For consistency you should always get the blood work drawn on the morning of the day you’re due to pin. (Obviously, before pinning)
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
One other question to help you determine your baseline… the blood work where you got the results of 800 free test and 220 estrogen, how long after starting TRT was that bloodwork taken?
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Those results were 3 months into treatment.
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
If it was taken in the first 3 to 4 months after starting, it’s likely not a clear picture of what your levels will be on TRT as your natural production probably had not fully been suppressed so you’re getting the natural plus the enhanced numbers added together.
This is a common issue for people new to TRT because after four months they start saying it’s not working as good as it did at the start because their natural production has now fully shut down and the only levels they have are from what’s being injected.

A second question… @gondar1 raise this as well, when did you get the blood work drawn compared to when you did your last pin?
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Last pin Friday morning 7am. Blood drawn Monday morning 8am. 73 hours post injection. S&H has a range from approximately [can't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head] 72-76hrs after last injection.
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
For consistency you should always get the blood work drawn on the morning of the day you’re due to pin. (Obviously, before pinning)
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Currently it's a day ahead of my next pin.
 
Cheapshot said:
Didn't read all the posts, but I felt best on 100mg once a week. With no ai.
That amount of ai doesn't seem right for trt, at least for me. I would run 0.25 a week running a full cycle
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Yeah last I spoke with the RN she said take it every time given my e2 was so high on 100mg. That being said...I have been feeling a bit weaker, some dry lips, sexual function is ok, but mood has been down. So hard to tell if that's seasonal/life stress bogging me down or if my e2 is getting too low now. It would be nice if monthly blood work was covered until things are dialed in. Next blood draw isn't until end of January. I sure as fuck don't want to keep driving my estrogen lower if that's the way it's trending.

I skipped the anastrazole dose last shot and not going to take it again after my shot tomorrow. Gauge how I feel after that. Seems like most guys don't take it every single time they pin.
 
MrG said:
Yeah last I spoke with the RN she said take it every time given my e2 was so high on 100mg. That being said...I have been feeling a bit weaker, some dry lips, sexual function is ok, but mood has been down. So hard to tell if that's seasonal/life stress bogging me down or if my e2 is getting too low now. It would be nice if monthly blood work was covered until things are dialed in. Next blood draw isn't until end of January. I sure as fuck don't want to keep driving my estrogen lower if that's the way it's trending.

I skipped the anastrazole dose last shot and not going to take it again after my shot tomorrow. Gauge how I feel after that. Seems like most guys don't take it every single time they pin.
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My 3rd and 3th cents:

Do what you will, you are a big boy but have it settled well before next blood draw. In this case you still have time if BW is at least a month away. Pick a plan rn and stick with it until the next draw. If you keep changing things it will extend the time it takes to get you dialed in which besides just being a pain in the ass will cost you more cash. Besides the timing from last pin I even suggest making an attempt to replicate everything for the last few days before the BW, eat the same, sleep the same, train the same, do or do not pet kittens the same, do or don't be around pregnant women, smoking, opiates, booze.
No BS all those thing can affect your levels. Subtly to be sure but if you bunch a few of them together it gets less subtle. Why not eliminate the variables at least for the first few times to get dialed in. After that the timing is usually the only big deal.
As @Oldguyjiujitsu mentioned the first few months often don't provide reliable data but if you keep your protocol steady staring right now after the next BW we can do a little math and probably get you set in short order.

You can call me an extremist, sometimes I am and I'll wear that badge with honor. I just like to get shit 100% done quickly rather than drag it out, we got better shit to do bro!

gondar1

Thread 'How to adjust your AI'

Many assumptions made here.
Works for Adex,and Asin, I assume it works for other AI.
Formula assumes that the only change will be AI protocol and all other factors will remain constant.
I prefer to keep E2 at between 20-30 pg/ml, tons of science and personal as well as anecdotal results to support that, do some reading and make up your own mind.
Great thread here with various opinions and links - https://canadianbrawn.com/threads/some-trt-experiments-and-learnings.650/
Get Bloods. **Get the Sensitive Assay Test if at all possible, far more accurate** If you are happy with E level...
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gondar1 said:
My 3rd and 3th cents:

Do what you will, you are a big boy but have it settled well before next blood draw. In this case you still have time if BW is at least a month away. Pick a plan rn and stick with it until the next draw. If you keep changing things it will extend the time it takes to get you dialed in which besides just being a pain in the ass will cost you more cash. Besides the timing from last pin I even suggest making an attempt to replicate everything for the last few days before the BW, eat the same, sleep the same, train the same, do or do not pet kittens the same, do or don't be around pregnant women, smoking, opiates, booze.
No BS all those thing can affect your levels. Subtly to be sure but if you bunch a few of them together it gets less subtle. Why not eliminate the variables at least for the first few times to get dialed in. After that the timing is usually the only big deal.
As @Oldguyjiujitsu mentioned the first few months often don't provide reliable data but if you keep your protocol steady staring right now after the next BW we can do a little math and probably get you set in short order.

You can call me an extremist, sometimes I am and I'll wear that badge with honor. I just like to get shit 100% done quickly rather than drag it out, we got better shit to do bro!

gondar1

Thread 'How to adjust your AI'

Many assumptions made here.
Works for Adex,and Asin, I assume it works for other AI.
Formula assumes that the only change will be AI protocol and all other factors will remain constant.
I prefer to keep E2 at between 20-30 pg/ml, tons of science and personal as well as anecdotal results to support that, do some reading and make up your own mind.
Great thread here with various opinions and links - https://canadianbrawn.com/threads/some-trt-experiments-and-learnings.650/
Get Bloods. **Get the Sensitive Assay Test if at all possible, far more accurate** If you are happy with E level...
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I appreciate all cents! That's why I started this thread hoping to gain some first hand insight and advice from guys who have been doing this for a long time. I'm with you wanting to dial things in quickly and not fuck around!

I'll be updating this thread after my next bloodwork. Hopefully this will help someone starting off just like me in the future.

Such an awesome group of people here. 🤟
 
I’ll probably sound like an echo, since others have mentioned this….But everyone is different when it comes to their “sweet spot” for E2. Same for low E2 sides. When mine is low, my hip joints hurt like I’ve been sitting on a flight for 15 hours. I’ll run .5 mg every four days if I’m feeling some high e2 sides. You’ll get to know what to look for once you’ve experienced them more than once.

So just go with the flow and try not to stress too much about it. You’re doing fine and you’ll get it all dialled in. Don’t worry about it. And keep us updated on your progress.
 
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