Knees over Toes Guy - Ben Patrick

Goldenrod

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Morning,
Has anyone watched his videos, bought his program, or followed and tries his ideas with the free videos he has out?
He is not your typical bodybuilder, but is more about athletics and mobility and trains athletes. Has strong/larger than average legs, but does not look like your typical guy who trains upper body/lifts for aesthetics.
Anyway - I have a torn meniscus, tried the best braces with hinges, rehabilitation and even peptides which are useless for where my tear is. There is no blood flow and the Orthopaedic Doctor I work with knew what most peptides were (being a world class powerlifter) and said peptides are not going to help due to the lack of blood supply. The general consensus is to leave it as you need the cushion or you can have part of it removed and a full knee replacement in your future. I am looking into PRP and other modalities, but decided to start watching some of his videos after seeing another guy at the gym doing a 'unique' mobility warm up prior and between sets.
I asked him and he has a torn meniscus and told me about Ben Patrick, and he is now able to squat reasonably heavy weight, do a full leg workout without pain.
As it related to me, I was doing progressive overload on my legs, incorporated leg presses, belt squats, a one leg press movement, a lot of glute work as everything I read indicates there is a connection with your glutes and your meniscus. Regardless, your glutes are your largest muscle and to ignore training your butt makes no sense.
When I started doing more isolated exercises such as reverse hyper-extensions, heavy hyper extensions, heavy glute bridges for my posterior chain, all my leg lifts went up and I noticed growth.
Now I am in pain sitting in a normal work chair, it hurts to walk a few miles, albeit the brace (I spent the money and bough one with excellent side support, a proper hinge and two ways to tighten it above and below the knee does help but wearing a brace is a crutch and will most likely weaken one leg compared to the other.

Back to my point of writing this - many people have severe knee injuries or just pain. I am incorporating some of his movements in my mobility training before I touch a weight (just started so too early to know if I will see a benefit). I am at a point where I already decided I am getting surgery if this does not work. I am on a waiting list for the best knee Orthopaedic Surgeon in this Province who also offers other modalities to see if it can prevent surgery, but will discuss the three surgical options as I want to avoid a meniscetomy.

Any input on this guy/experiences would be appreciated.

thanks
 
@Goldenrod I can only relate to my back.

My dr was talking about back surgery about 20 years ago.

I found a well recommended chiro and started seeing him 3 times a week for about 2 months then back to once a week. Made a huge difference and was able to avoid surgery.

The body is truly amazing at healing itself just needs to have the blockages moved out of the way.
 
I have had pretty bad knee issues for a while
In total I’ve done
2 cortisone
1 PRP
1 hyraluanic acid
Injections

Several scans, MRIs and Ultrasounds

And KPV
GHK CU
TB500
BPC157

for my situation I needed the cortisone shot to be able to calm it down to then be able to work with it and improve it, had the cortisone directly in the patellar tendon. Couldn’t walk for days.
PRP did nothing that I noticed
Neither did sportvis (Hyralaunic acid )

Anyways fast forward 8 months
What’s helped the most is consistent physiotherapy,
Knee over toe backward sled work
Single Leg extension iso
any hamstring iso you prefer,
Banded TKEs I think they’re called
Spanish squats for reps and isos
And slowly scaling them up

Light plyos once it could tolerate them
And peptides did make a big difference for me
BPC and TB help a bit
KPV helped a ton lowering inflammation
GHK CU I feel helped the slow collagen remodeling

On top of this several grams Vit C daily
Collagen daily
MSM daily
And other supplements

In the last year I went from hurting walking down stairs, pain sitting at rest and considering changing jobs for desk work to now
I have sub 25 min 5km, really close to a 6 minute mile, and Squating 3 plates for 5

To add to this
Not to downplay the peptides to be transparent I’ve gone through vials and vials and vials of TB500 and BPC157 and GHK CU

KPV was a recent addition the last 3-5 months and was a game changer for me
 
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@Goldenrod

I’m a big fan of Ben Patrick and his approach. I actually started following a lot of his stuff because of a shoulder issue.

I was told I needed rotator cuff surgery and got to the point where I could barely bench the 45-lb bar. I started incorporating a lot of his mobility work, and two years later my shoulder feels so much better. I’m still benching with a football bar, but the fact that I couldn’t even bench the empty bar when it was injured is a huge difference.

I’ve also noticed a big improvement in my overall mobility since incorporating more of his approach and a lot more unilateral kettlebell work. I have some issues with my right hip now, so I’ve been looking into his lower-back/hip protocols as well. I just ordered a back-extension attachment and I’m looking forward to trying it.

I’m not saying his methods will fix every injury, but they’ve made a huge difference for me. I really like his approach of building strength and mobility through different ranges of motion.

Mark Bell seems to be a big fan of him too, and I’ve heard him talk about how much Ben has helped his mobility, I think he's had him on his podcast a few times

Definitely worth giving it a shot.
 
Thanks for the comments guys. I am trying to avoid surgery, and although peptides, HGH, other healing 'helpers' are good for most injuries - where my tear is they have little to no impact due to little to no blood flow. I still hit my legs but am concentrating on my glutes, hamstrings, and calves more than the front. Still do the front, but it is not worth it if you can't bend your leg without agony everyday. I started his mobility work at home to get used to the movements and will incorporate more into my 'warm up'.
So far, which is not surprising, the mobility exercises and strengthening exercises have been making my knee more sore but I expected that until my body adapts.
Time will tell - I also like his sitting 'dead lift' for opening the hips up and inner leg/lower back, hinge strength.
Again, I guess I am behind the times as it appears many know about this guy. He has a lot of videos out so I have a lot to learn or I could just buy his program.
 
I guess the question is how bad is tge meniscus rear. Is it folding over snd or locking?

If locking then your options are limited

If not, i have had several meniscus tears from jitz and i did lots of hamstring curls on a physio ball, etc and over time the knees resolved itself. I have watched Ben’s stuff but never did it but yhe physio stuff i did was similar and it 100% works for minor tears.
 
I guess the question is how bad is tge meniscus rear. Is it folding over snd or locking?

If locking then your options are limited

If not, i have had several meniscus tears from jitz and i did lots of hamstring curls on a physio ball, etc and over time the knees resolved itself. I have watched Ben’s stuff but never did it but yhe physio stuff i did was similar and it 100% works for minor tears.
I have read the MRI report from a decade ago to answer that question. It was just a small tear but I assume it I tore it worse. I will try the exercises you mention to see if it helps. I was told by an Orthopaedic surgeon I respect the odds of this 'healing' are minimal, but he did not want to operate unless I could not live with it.
It is getting to the point I can't, and have to have another MRI to determine how bad it is. I will continue to try the mobility work and the exercise you mentioned. My knee is not locking and there is no clicking - just pain especially when I train legs.
 
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