Ran 600 test 200 primo 300npp last cycle and put on some good size but looking to switch things up this time plan is to run 600 test eq/mast 100 tren first 8-10 weeks then switch over too npp but now my problem is if I should run eq or mast to help control my e2 I've never ran ether of these compounds before and health is definitely a priority just curious what everyone thinks the best option would be and ratios with the eq I'm concerned about hematocrit and hemoglobin getting too high and Bp not quite sure how to resolve this other then donating blood and staying highdryared and with the mast im concerned about it crushing my lipids and hair and it just being a overall not good compound for the off season as it seems like that's what everyone has to say about it I would love to run the primo again but it's simply just nitnin my budget (this will also be my first time running tren
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If health is a priority id skip tren. If doing eq definitly donate mid cycle and end of cycle and if blood pressure and lipids are an issue but you are committed to cycling id suggest getting medication for them. Im on crestor and telmisartan. It seems stupid but why roll the dice with dozens of supplements when meds work fast and effectively. Supplememts I always take though are omega 3, ubiquinol magnesium and nac. Beneficial for lots and lots of reasons. Thats all I can offer as I dont really do cycles like that. Good luck dude.
Not a fan of tren in the off season.
Choosing between EQ and Mast depends on how they affect you (which you don't know yet given you have not tried either of them); but if I had to choose being in your position and the current market situation around mast, I would try EQ first unless you have a bunch of mast already on hand.
I would titrate up over serval weeks to your chosen peak dosage (starting in a 1:1 ratio and adjusting as needing depending on your E2 and any other sides) and make sure you have bloods done pre-mid-post if not more to see how things are affecting you.
Also not a fan of donating blood to control RBC and HCT unless its urgent. I have found IP6 (2g Am, 2g Pm) and 5mg of Enalapril per day along with 40-80mg of Telmisartan kept everything well in range. Of course, a standard health supplement protocol is also recommended as mentioned above.
Choosing between EQ and Mast depends on how they affect you (which you don't know yet given you have not tried either of them); but if I had to choose being in your position and the current market situation around mast, I would try EQ first unless you have a bunch of mast already on hand.
I would titrate up over serval weeks to your chosen peak dosage (starting in a 1:1 ratio and adjusting as needing depending on your E2 and any other sides) and make sure you have bloods done pre-mid-post if not more to see how things are affecting you.
Also not a fan of donating blood to control RBC and HCT unless its urgent. I have found IP6 (2g Am, 2g Pm) and 5mg of Enalapril per day along with 40-80mg of Telmisartan kept everything well in range. Of course, a standard health supplement protocol is also recommended as mentioned above.
Whats IP6?
There's a lot to unpack here but I'll try and get straight to the point.
There is no cookie cutter ratio that works for everyone. If your health is a priority, I'm sorry but this cycle isn't going to be good for your health.
Mast will mess with your hair if you're prone to it, so will large doses of testosterone if the DHT isn't in check. Not to mention if your estrogen gets too low it can result in hair loss as well. There's very few hair safe drugs out there.
Why not just use an AI to control estrogen if you need to? Or simply lower your testosterone dosage?
There is no cookie cutter ratio that works for everyone. If your health is a priority, I'm sorry but this cycle isn't going to be good for your health.
EQ's major advantage is much higher RBC, a welcome side effect IMO. I don't see the need to donate blood personally. Stay hydrated + fish oils + nattokinase and do your cardio to lower your hematocrit levels.
Mast will mess with your hair if you're prone to it, so will large doses of testosterone if the DHT isn't in check. Not to mention if your estrogen gets too low it can result in hair loss as well. There's very few hair safe drugs out there.
Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6), good for iron chelation and thus helping with high HCT.
When your chest starts to hurt is a big reason to donate blood. When drinking a few coffees leads to chest tightness with activity is another one. The supps you mentioned are not enough for every person to solve the hemoglobin issue. It is a real issue with possible deadly or life altering consequences. The supps help up to a point. If the person is more succeptable to high hemoglobin lets say then blood donation or letting is a must. I say this because i am one of those people. Higher hemoglobin is only a performance enhancer until it isnt and it becomes dangerous. Even the ip6 doesnt cut it enough for everyone.
Other than that i agree, just raise the test and take some ai. Test is best. Also up to a certain point lol. Most dont go high enough to reach the point where its not worth it no more.
Health a priority, but wants to run tren. No, lol.
@DeeKnows Being one of those people, do you now just avoid EQ altogether, or use mitigation strategies?
I agree with most here so far, I wouldn't go with Tren. If health is a priority and there still isn't a lot of experience with many other aas, then I'd wait on Tren, if ever.
Myself I'm almost starting to see eq as an AI. For me. I haven't run it super high. Never above 500 I think so no crazy anabolic benefit from it I've seen, but the AI of it for me is unmatched. So perhaps a test NPP and small eq dose would be good, just allowing the test and NPP to do the work. Eq just as an AI. ( Need blood work to know for sure)
I don't think you mentioned HGH. A good run could be just test eqasai and gh. There's a lot of combos that will help. You hopefully know a huge part of it will be diet and your gym program and diet. Lol. But even some more basic combos like test gh, or test eqasai gh or if you wanna push, test NPP eqasai gh can really help if everything else is in check.
It's been few months since your post. 2 at least. Any update? Hope all is well
Myself I'm almost starting to see eq as an AI. For me. I haven't run it super high. Never above 500 I think so no crazy anabolic benefit from it I've seen, but the AI of it for me is unmatched. So perhaps a test NPP and small eq dose would be good, just allowing the test and NPP to do the work. Eq just as an AI. ( Need blood work to know for sure)
I don't think you mentioned HGH. A good run could be just test eqasai and gh. There's a lot of combos that will help. You hopefully know a huge part of it will be diet and your gym program and diet. Lol. But even some more basic combos like test gh, or test eqasai gh or if you wanna push, test NPP eqasai gh can really help if everything else is in check.
It's been few months since your post. 2 at least. Any update? Hope all is well
Ive actually always avoided eq because of its reputation for hemoglobin issues. Not worth me ever trying it. I have to donate using just testosterone even with supps and cardio.
At one point years ago i was going to take bodybuilding seriously but when i raised the gear to the levels i needed for competition i was forced to either drop the dose low or donate/let asap. So after that i tried all the supps and stategies to reduce my hemoglin/hematocrit levels. I decided to just continue ped usage at a low/moderate level instead and not compete or make a career change.
The supps help but if your succeptable to the rise in h/h then you need to donate/let aswell to live.
Im running eq now and plan on continuing for a while. I donated last summer and plan on it again in jan as the clinic is 2 mins away and easy as hell to book. I probably shouldnt be at my age but fuck it. Its been a while since i cranked high but i got the itch. 1 more round
I do have all the supps listed in this thread but admittedly i pretty bad at remembering to take them. This needs to change.
I do have all the supps listed in this thread but admittedly i pretty bad at remembering to take them. This needs to change.
Doing cardio will use up the hemoglobin. I could see EQ being beneficial for the high volume trainers.
If someone is prone to severe side effects from any compound its best to avoid and find something else. There's lots to choose from.
I disagree with test is best. I got along with it well but deca and dbol are superior IMO.
We can all have different opinions and thats fine with me. Whatever works best for each person.
Hemoglobin being used up with cardio...i have never heard of this so i googled quickly because all i know is that rbc have a lifespan of 90 to 120 days normally.. either what it responded goes against what your saying. Please explain further if needed.
Hemoglobin being used up with cardio...i have never heard of this so i googled quickly because all i know is that rbc have a lifespan of 90 to 120 days normally.. either what it responded goes against what your saying. Please explain further if needed.
My use of the word used was intentionally an oversimplification.
Type in "how is hemoglobin lowered through cardiovascular exercise" on your AI instead of "used up". It's more nuanced than simply being used.
Cardiovascular activity results in lower hemoglobin. It's the reason why marathon runners end up with pseudoanemia.
Either way the result is lowered hemoglobin.
I will never claim to be great at the health stuff, so i will just donate ever now and again and take baby aspirin.
I remember i was cuba a long time ago and a big bodybuilder started taking to me. I actually think it was hollingshead . (didnt know of him at the time). He told me to take baby asprin every day and he told me a horror story. It kinda stuck with me.
I remember i was cuba a long time ago and a big bodybuilder started taking to me. I actually think it was hollingshead . (didnt know of him at the time). He told me to take baby asprin every day and he told me a horror story. It kinda stuck with me.
Vitamin E is also a good natural alternative to baby aspirin.
The images i posted say psuedoanemia is temporary post cardio. I suppose if you did it daily then the temporary would seem more permanent. Thanks for the clarification.
Yes daily cardio is what is generally recommended to do. Is it going to be like a marathon runner? No. But every little bit helps.
Cardio + hydration(including electrolytes)+ supplements (vitamin e, fish oils etc.) when using PEDs regardless of the compound IMO.
My cycles generally wouldn't go past 10 weeks so i didn't feel the need. For someone who abuses gear for months on end though I suppose donating makes sense if they're underutilizing the increased RBC.