Best of the Best Supplements

[Palmer1991]

Thanks @Goldenrod thats a good list.
I spent prob halfthe night yesterday looking up stuff to take for supps, people i know are say im over lookin into this stuff cause im almost 31, so i feel old enough to go beyond a bcomplex and coq10 so i made a list i think covers it all, ill make the ones ive never tried before that i wanna add in to it all... i know i need the basic vitamins for heakth reasons but i reall wanna try n figure out this joint issue problem so i can be confident to sqaut heavy again and i wanna take something for my hair, just to make sire i keep it. If u guys see anything redundant, or no point in having both of supp a and supp b, lemme know. Thx...


A B vitamin complex (Because im lacking)
B5-acne


A multivitamin (General Health)


Vitamin C & D3 & E (Skin & organs & digestion)


Coq10 & Niacin & omegas(heart & cholesterol)


Potassium/magnesium


Hydrolyzed collagen & gelatin & Glucosamine chondroitin msm (joint health)


CLA(Break down of fat)

Biotin & folic acid & zinc(hair growth and thickness)

Saw palmetto & selenium (prostate and heart)

Prebiotics & probiotics(skin &brain& digestion)

curcumin (superfood)

Citrus bergamot (B.S, Lipids, cholesterol etc)

Ashwagandha (lowering cortisol)

Black seed oil
alpha-lipoic acid

I need to re look up what ala does, i forget already lol...
So the bold ones are ones i havnt done to my knowledge at least, the other ones are ones i have done at some point.
Current im just taking:
Coq 10
Collagen
Magnesium & calcium
B complex
Omegas

So i read somewhere on this site a guy takes 20g of omegas a day, would thatbe from the vish oil supps or arethere better ways to get higher amounts then to polish off a 1/4 of a bottle everyday?

 

[Goldenrod]

Thanks @Goldenrod thats a good list.
I spent prob halfthe night yesterday looking up stuff to take for supps, people i know are say im over lookin into this stuff cause im almost 31, so i feel old enough to go beyond a bcomplex and coq10 so i made a list i think covers it all, ill make the ones ive never tried before that i wanna add in to it all... i know i need the basic vitamins for heakth reasons but i reall wanna try n figure out this joint issue problem so i can be confident to sqaut heavy again and i wanna take something for my hair, just to make sire i keep it. If u guys see anything redundant, or no point in having both of supp a and supp b, lemme know. Thx...


A B vitamin complex (Because im lacking)
B5-acne


A multivitamin (General Health)


Vitamin C & D3 & E (Skin & organs & digestion)


Coq10 & Niacin & omegas(heart & cholesterol)


Potassium/magnesium


Hydrolyzed collagen & gelatin & Glucosamine chondroitin msm (joint health)


CLA(Break down of fat)

Biotin & folic acid & zinc(hair growth and thickness)

Saw palmetto & selenium (prostate and heart)

Prebiotics & probiotics(skin &brain& digestion)

curcumin (superfood)

Citrus bergamot (B.S, Lipids, cholesterol etc)

Ashwagandha (lowering cortisol)

Black seed oil
alpha-lipoic acid

I need to re look up what ala does, i forget already lol...
So the bold ones are ones i havnt done to my knowledge at least, the other ones are ones i have done at some point.
Current im just taking:
Coq 10
Collagen
Magnesium & calcium
B complex
Omegas

So i read somewhere on this site a guy takes 20g of omegas a day, would thatbe from the vish oil supps or arethere better ways to get higher amounts then to polish off a 1/4 of a bottle everyday?

I mentioned in my post the important part of fish oil is the DHA and EPA content. There are guys who take 10,000 mg of combined EPA/DHA per day for a multitude of reasons. I have never needed that much but have been as high as 5000 mg.
Carleson's has 700 mg combined per pill, or at least the bottle I have does so it you want to start out at 2000 mg combined and increase as needed you only need 3 pills per day. Buy a 'cheap' brand that says 1000 mg of fish oil/oil blends but only contains 200 mg of of combined EPA/DHA you will be taking 10 pills a day if you want 2000 mg combined. Up to you. I hear Walmart, which I fucking hate, has fish oil with a decent EPA/DHA content but have never looked.
Gelatin (think @Sorbate recommended) & Glucosamine chondroitin msm - you mentioned and agreed. I take all but MSM but I am in my 40's and have degenerative issues from a multitude of over use / abusing my body.

To each their own and if you want to take a multi-vitamin/mineral complex go ahead but it will never be part of cabinet of supplements. I don't eat a typical BB diet and get most of my vitamins/minerals from my food (I eat a lot of veggies and fruit). If I was going to take something for general health in the 'multi' stack I would be reaching for the greens detox or greens multi. They include spirulina, wheat grass, barley grass, alfalfa grass, and shit ton of other good protective products like phosphatidyl choline (detox version). I included this in my list of ways to get a decent stack of protective products in one product. Maybe under supplements on a budget - getting old can't remember anymore lol.
I didn't include it in my list above and should - I posted studies comparing choline to PC and there was no comparison. PC protected the liver much better. Further, few studies would be deemed as cruel but as close to humans as possible but they did a study (which I posted here as well) where they turned baboons into alcoholics and gave some choline. The ones with choline did not develop cirrhosis, the ones without did. When they stopped the choline - the baboons liver failed.
PC is one of the best supplements (IMO) for protecting your liver.

My comments are just that - opinions and while I often say 'not a doctor', I want to make it clear there are no letters at the end of my name that indicate I have the right to prescribe medications or supplements.

 

[Maximus14]

I mentioned in my post the important part of fish oil is the DHA and EPA content. There are guys who take 10,000 mg of combined EPA/DHA per day for a multitude of reasons. I have never needed that much but have been as high as 5000 mg.
Carleson's has 700 mg combined per pill, or at least the bottle I have does so it you want to start out at 2000 mg combined and increase as needed you only need 3 pills per day. Buy a 'cheap' brand that says 1000 mg of fish oil/oil blends but only contains 200 mg of of combined EPA/DHA you will be taking 10 pills a day if you want 2000 mg combined. Up to you. I hear Walmart, which I fucking hate, has fish oil with a decent EPA/DHA content but have never looked.
Gelatin (think @Sorbate recommended) & Glucosamine chondroitin msm - you mentioned and agreed. I take all but MSM but I am in my 40's and have degenerative issues from a multitude of over use / abusing my body.

To each their own and if you want to take a multi-vitamin/mineral complex go ahead but it will never be part of cabinet of supplements. I don't eat a typical BB diet and get most of my vitamins/minerals from my food (I eat a lot of veggies and fruit). If I was going to take something for general health in the 'multi' stack I would be reaching for the greens detox or greens multi. They include spirulina, wheat grass, barley grass, alfalfa grass, and shit ton of other good protective products like phosphatidyl choline (detox version). I included this in my list of ways to get a decent stack of protective products in one product. Maybe under supplements on a budget - getting old can't remember anymore lol.
I didn't include it in my list above and should - I posted studies comparing choline to PC and there was no comparison. PC protected the liver much better. Further, few studies would be deemed as cruel but as close to humans as possible but they did a study (which I posted here as well) where they turned baboons into alcoholics and gave some choline. The ones with choline did not develop cirrhosis, the ones without did. When they stopped the choline - the baboons liver failed.
PC is one of the best supplements (IMO) for protecting your liver.

My comments are just that - opinions and while I often say 'not a doctor', I want to make it clear there are no letters at the end of my name that indicate I have the right to prescribe medications or supplements.

Since I've added a greens drink (subi) I have cut out my multi vitamin, there are a lot of studies showing that multis really don't do much and a lot of the vitamins actually compete for absorption rendering them useless, I also eat a lot of vegetables, zero fruit ATM since I'm cutting but will add in once I stop

 

[Oldguyjiujitsu]

That is a good question: what is the best greens product? Best meaning taste and no junk (e.g. cytogreens tastes good but got a ton of caffeine in it from matcha.


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[Goldenrod]

That is a good question: what is the best greens product? Best meaning taste and no junk (e.g. cytogreens tastes good but got a ton of caffeine in it from matcha.


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I don't buy it from this company but this is my favorite:

Genuine Health Greens+ Daily Detox Green Apple 406g

greens daily detox contains a full serving of greens plus, PLUS all-natural cleansing ingredients that help to support and cleanse the liver, skin, kidneys and GI tract, giving you noticeable health benefits, including improved skin, mood and...

naturalhealthgarden.ca

Renoprotective effect of Spirulina fusiformis on cisplatin-induced oxidative stress and renal dysfunction in rats - PubMed

Cisplatin is an effective chemotherapeutic agent used in the treatment of a wide array of both pediatric and adult malignancies. Dose-dependent and cumulative nephrotoxicity is the major toxicity of this compound, sometimes requiring a reduction in dose or discontinuation of treatment. Recent...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They have different flavors. Not saying it is the best but it is the one I prefer. If there was such a thing as 'superfoods' - this contains a lot of those. Not saying this is loaded with superfoods but I read on each ingredient I wasn't familiar with in more depth.

I listed two studies on Spirulina and protection from toxic substances, albeit in rats but the scientific community doesn't make a habit of injecting humans with known toxic substances with the hope a product will protect them.

Almost all my Naturopathic books have sections on spirulina/wheatgrass for alternative cancer treatment among many other ailments. Do they work, I have no idea. Would I forgo regular medical treatment - not a chance but I believe in complimentary medicine to help. So many of the nasty diseases have nasty medications (many pulled off the market) because of their toxicity and some of the complimentary medicine can help with the nasty side effects of the meds.
I like books by James F Balch MD and Mark Stengler N.D. Are they best - again, no idea. Some of the easier books to read over the years - Prescriptions For Natural Cures.

 

[MTdeadlifter]

I don't buy it from this company but this is my favorite:

Genuine Health Greens+ Daily Detox Green Apple 406g

greens daily detox contains a full serving of greens plus, PLUS all-natural cleansing ingredients that help to support and cleanse the liver, skin, kidneys and GI tract, giving you noticeable health benefits, including improved skin, mood and...

naturalhealthgarden.ca

Renoprotective effect of Spirulina fusiformis on cisplatin-induced oxidative stress and renal dysfunction in rats - PubMed

Cisplatin is an effective chemotherapeutic agent used in the treatment of a wide array of both pediatric and adult malignancies. Dose-dependent and cumulative nephrotoxicity is the major toxicity of this compound, sometimes requiring a reduction in dose or discontinuation of treatment. Recent...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They have different flavors. Not saying it is the best but it is the one I prefer. If there was such a thing as 'superfoods' - this contains a lot of those. Not saying this is loaded with superfoods but I read on each ingredient I wasn't familiar with in more depth.

I listed two studies on Spirulina and protection from toxic substances, albeit in rats but the scientific community doesn't make a habit of injecting humans with known toxic substances with the hope a product will protect them.

Almost all my Naturopathic books have sections on spirulina/wheatgrass for alternative cancer treatment among many other ailments. Do they work, I have no idea. Would I forgo regular medical treatment - not a chance but I believe in complimentary medicine to help. So many of the nasty diseases have nasty medications (many pulled off the market) because of their toxicity and some of the complimentary medicine can help with the nasty side effects of the meds.
I like books by James F Balch MD and Mark Stengler N.D. Are they best - again, no idea. Some of the easier books to read over the years - Prescriptions For Natural Cures.

my preffered to

 

[xander]

I mentioned in my post the important part of fish oil is the DHA and EPA content. There are guys who take 10,000 mg of combined EPA/DHA per day for a multitude of reasons. I have never needed that much but have been as high as 5000 mg.
Carleson's has 700 mg combined per pill, or at least the bottle I have does so it you want to start out at 2000 mg combined and increase as needed you only need 3 pills per day. Buy a 'cheap' brand that says 1000 mg of fish oil/oil blends but only contains 200 mg of of combined EPA/DHA you will be taking 10 pills a day if you want 2000 mg combined. Up to you. I hear Walmart, which I fucking hate, has fish oil with a decent EPA/DHA content but have never looked.
Gelatin (think @Sorbate recommended) & Glucosamine chondroitin msm - you mentioned and agreed. I take all but MSM but I am in my 40's and have degenerative issues from a multitude of over use / abusing my body.

To each their own and if you want to take a multi-vitamin/mineral complex go ahead but it will never be part of cabinet of supplements. I don't eat a typical BB diet and get most of my vitamins/minerals from my food (I eat a lot of veggies and fruit). If I was going to take something for general health in the 'multi' stack I would be reaching for the greens detox or greens multi. They include spirulina, wheat grass, barley grass, alfalfa grass, and shit ton of other good protective products like phosphatidyl choline (detox version). I included this in my list of ways to get a decent stack of protective products in one product. Maybe under supplements on a budget - getting old can't remember anymore lol.
I didn't include it in my list above and should - I posted studies comparing choline to PC and there was no comparison. PC protected the liver much better. Further, few studies would be deemed as cruel but as close to humans as possible but they did a study (which I posted here as well) where they turned baboons into alcoholics and gave some choline. The ones with choline did not develop cirrhosis, the ones without did. When they stopped the choline - the baboons liver failed.
PC is one of the best supplements (IMO) for protecting your liver.

My comments are just that - opinions and while I often say 'not a doctor', I want to make it clear there are no letters at the end of my name that indicate I have the right to prescribe medications or supplements.

i take PC too.great supplement

 

[Palmer1991]

Since I've added a greens drink (subi) I have cut out my multi vitamin, there are a lot of studies showing that multis really don't do much and a lot of the vitamins actually compete for absorption rendering them useless, I also eat a lot of vegetables, zero fruit ATM since I'm cutting but will add in once I stop

This is totally unrelated to thesubject but yousaying that the vitamins compete for absorbtion. Dont steroids do this too? If so which ones? Like i heard tren and test compete, and i heard people say if u take too much of this it over powers that like too much eq overpowers everything else and thats why people dont make ceetain stacks or have too many items in the stack. I thought about making a thread a lil while back asking about this

 

[Goldenrod]

This is totally unrelated to thesubject but yousaying that the vitamins compete for absorbtion. Dont steroids do this too? If so which ones? Like i heard tren and test compete, and i heard people say if u take too much of this it over powers that like too much eq overpowers everything else and thats why people dont make ceetain stacks or have too many items in the stack. I thought about making a thread a lil while back asking about this

I don't think his comments are totally unrelated to the subject as that is where the convo went.
That being said, I don't want to answer for @Maximus14 but I assume with respect to a lot of vitamins they don't really compete for absorption but in a healthy individual, depending on the type of vitmamin/mineral your body will only hold on to so much of it. For example if you hit your threshold for vitamin c with greens and start taking more vitamin c, your body will 'dump' it - pardon the pun. Interesting convo - why can a healthy person absorb 10,000 mg in divided doses before diarrhea may begin but if your sick - you may be able to easily absorb and use 50-100,000 mg's?
Other vitamins are stored in your adipose tissue for future use when you need it (vitamin D is a good example).
If you have never heard of an ascorbic acid flush - look it up, it is used in naturopathic medicine.

Steroids chiefly attach to androgen receptors. This conversation is one that has been discussed before - is there a threshold for too much and plateauing? I can't answer that as I would never push my body to that degree so my thoughts are hypothetical but I know 1500 mg of testosterone will reap better results that 500 mg of testosterone. 500 mg of test, 500 mg of nandolone, and 500 mg of boldenone will reap better results than a gent who takes 500 mg of test and 500 mg of boldenone. Maybe that is too simplistic and some of the more experienced gents who have taken much higher doses can chime in. That takes for granted the training is the same, diet is the same, genetics are the same, rest, etc. which they never will be. For example with very little PED's and 2500 cals I can maintain a weight of 225. Other guys who are 180 have to eat 3500 cals to maintain and grow. Anyway, I digress - point being unless all variables are the same it is very difficult to do a reasonable comparison.
This is a very simplistic explanation of what steroids do when they are ingested in any manner: https://www.livescience.com/3349-steroids-work.html
I do know how much some of the top end competitors in parts of Canada take and can be a lot more than some would think. Do they all - no. Do some - yes. These vids out of the past top world bodybuilder's talking about their past 'small' cycles are just that talk. No one knows what they took except for the gent who injected.

As mentioned there are guys here who compete/have competed/take high doses and they are much more apt to give you a better answer regarding saturating receptors/competing receptors.

 

[creamofrice]

Morning @DeezNutz,

Apologies for the long winded post but it is very difficult to answer in a short concise paragraph.

One of the problems is you can break the bank trying to cover off every potential supplement. Everyone has a different list and mine is what works for me. Everything I list is not taken daily (far from it) - I rotate but there are a few key ones I take daily. I research each one and look for as many studies as I can to determine if they are actually doing what I hope they will do. Does that study mean it's fact - nope, but at least there is a little science behind trying/using it.
All opinion based but I try to concentrate on keeping antioxidants high, glutathione boosters in particular, anti-inflammatory supplements, BP healthy, and supplements that will cover off more than one of these at a time. I don't blast and as such I don't need some of the supplements others may consider essential. If it appears I concentrate a lot on my liver - I do. I had liver issues from Mono and it caused fatty liver which I healed with a lot of experimentation with supplements/peptides but I still take a lot of supplements to keep my glutathione up/inflammation down.
We could all argue about the best brands - I like Now and Life Extensions but there are lots of other quality brands.
Dosage is another conversation. I take supplements twice a day with meals - Am and PM. Wobenzymes being the exception if I am using it for pain.

1. curcumin - I prefer NF's Theracurmin (oral) or INNO's injectable curcu-ject.
2. black seed oil - if you have not read about Nigella Sativa please do. I always buy Life Extensions brand. This herb is referred to as the wonder herb. Good for BP, inflammation, and if what is written is accurate much more.
3. Astragalus - NOW brand is the one I usually buy. Kidney health and an adaptogen.
3. low dose aspirin at night - carries risks for bleeding / ulcers but should help with BP and thick blood issues.
4. Ubiquinol or Q10 - if what is written is accurate, Q10 is fine for younger people and Ubiquinol is better for older. I posted an article in the supplement section. I prefer a combo as it helps my BP better than just one. I am in the older category.
5. Fish oil - high EPA and DHA content. Cheap fish oil with low EPA/DHA means you have to take a shit ton of pills. I prefer Carlesons. I do not take fish oil year round but as soon as I see my BP go up, I start it.
6. Vitamin C - minimum 1000 mg a day.
7. NAC - great for increasing glutathione and first line of treatment for acetaminophen poisoning. I purchase Life extensions 600 mg tabs.
8. Sam-e - doesn't get much attention or at least I rarely see it on these lists. It was proven as effective as NAC for acetaminophen overdose, as good as celebrex for specific pain issues, and is a script medication in some countries for depression. Very expensive but not if you buy it in the US at places like Vitacost - they always have sales and I use their brand that comes in 400 mg tabs mainly because it costs a fortune if you want to take 800 mg a day.
9. If you are concerned about your prostate - there are good supplements that include saw palmetto, pumpkin seed, etc. I like New Chapters Prostate 5LX. Is this essential - maybe not but androgens impact your prostate.
10. So much starts with digestions so a quality enzyme product is a great addition. I prefer Wobenzymes because it can be used for pain if taken away from food and did as well as diclofenac (another powerful NSAID) in this regard or used to help digest your food. Essential - probably not but in my cupboard all the same.

Cheap additions and part of my daily regimen - an ounce of apple cider vinegar in water and a chunk or two of raw ginger. Buy it at the grocery store and cut off a chunk and peal it. It has been proven to protect your liver against liver toxic substances and it is an excellent anti-inflammatory. Fresh squeezed lemon juice in water is a good addition as well. Not a supplement but it is in every one of my naturopathic books for a multitude of issues.
Not a supplement but a peptide - BPC157 has a lot of health promoting properties besides helping heal injuries. If you are bored - read up on it's use in protecting your liver/organs and potential use in organ transplants. Fascinating peptide - one I take on and off.
ALA is a great supplement for nerve pain/kidney/liver protection.
Albeit I have never used it, I have read a lot of guys I consider experienced and intelligent using citrus bergamot. Many people swear by TUDCA but it did F all for me. This was based on adding it to my liver regimen for a month and running bloods again - comparing to other liver enzyme tests.
I know what works to keep my liver happy but that doesn't mean it will work for others.

As you can see you can easily spend $100's on supplements, do you need them all or others? If your blasting and pushing the envelope - maybe.
Like the end of each Brooklyn Nine-Nine show - not a doctor. Please research and decide what is right for you.

appreciated,thanks

 

[Maximus14]

I don't think his comments are totally unrelated to the subject as that is where the convo went.
That being said, I don't want to answer for @Maximus14 but I assume with respect to a lot of vitamins they don't really compete for absorption but in a healthy individual, depending on the type of vitmamin/mineral your body will only hold on to so much of it. For example if you hit your threshold for vitamin c with greens and start taking more vitamin c, your body will 'dump' it - pardon the pun. Interesting convo - why can a healthy person absorb 10,000 mg in divided doses before diarrhea may begin but if your sick - you may be able to easily absorb and use 50-100,000 mg's?
Other vitamins are stored in your adipose tissue for future use when you need it (vitamin D is a good example).
If you have never heard of an ascorbic acid flush - look it up, it is used in naturopathic medicine.

Steroids chiefly attach to androgen receptors. This conversation is one that has been discussed before - is there a threshold for too much and plateauing? I can't answer that as I would never push my body to that degree so my thoughts are hypothetical but I know 1500 mg of testosterone will reap better results that 500 mg of testosterone. 500 mg of test, 500 mg of nandolone, and 500 mg of boldenone will reap better results than a gent who takes 500 mg of test and 500 mg of boldenone. Maybe that is too simplistic and some of the more experienced gents who have taken much higher doses can chime in. That takes for granted the training is the same, diet is the same, genetics are the same, rest, etc. which they never will be. For example with very little PED's and 2500 cals I can maintain a weight of 225. Other guys who are 180 have to eat 3500 cals to maintain and grow. Anyway, I digress - point being unless all variables are the same it is very difficult to do a reasonable comparison.
This is a very simplistic explanation of what steroids do when they are ingested in any manner: https://www.livescience.com/3349-steroids-work.html
I do know how much some of the top end competitors in parts of Canada take and can be a lot more than some would think. Do they all - no. Do some - yes. These vids out of the past top world bodybuilder's talking about their past 'small' cycles are just that talk. No one knows what they took except for the gent who injected.

As mentioned there are guys here who compete/have competed/take high doses and they are much more apt to give you a better answer regarding saturating receptors/competing receptors.

I've recently been reading about whether multivitamins are useful or not, and while they aren't bad, in my opinion based on what I've been reading, you're better off eating a balanced diet, getting blood work and utilizing the ones you may be lacking, for me iron is a big one 3 months ago my iron level was 7, last week I brought it up to 15 through dietary changes as iron tablets make me constipated, (I have iron anemia) and yes it's still low but I'm working with my doctor on bringing it up as it's increasing my hemoglobin and hematocrit levels, which is normal for iron anemia

Got a little side tracked there, but this is what I have gathered in my research is to get your vitamin levels checked bi annually and get the ones you need after making the necessary changes to your diet, in no way will a multivitamin hinder you, but I don't think you get enough of what you need in them for them to be worthwhile especially if you're levels are food for 80% of the vitamins in them

The competing for absorption was in one study I read but no too sure of the validity of the claim...as it wasn't a medical paper

 

[TinyTim79]

I'm not a big fan of pre-workout.
But supplements I always take are. Vitamin D, fish oil, zinc, magnesium and NAC when on cycle or post cycle. I also take b12.. because I'm always low on my bloodwork.
Eating a wide range of vegetables is important also and a good diet.
Pre-workout I just have a coffee and good meal a hour or two before I workout

 

[Goldenrod]

I'm not a big fan of pre-workout.
But supplements I always take are. Vitamin D, fish oil, zinc, magnesium and NAC when on cycle or post cycle. I also take b12.. because I'm always low on my bloodwork.
Eating a wide range of vegetables is important also and a good diet.
Pre-workout I just have a coffee and good meal a hour or two before I workout

well said @TinyTim79 - can't recall how many times I read a diet plan of rice, beef, and chicken. Not all - read a few that incorporated greens and a piece of fruit everyday. There was a gent who was ripped here if it was actually him (someone commented he could walk on stage) who claimed to be a nutritionist (I would have to search to find it) but his diet included no vegetables or fruit. Regardless, if you don't like cards there are a shit ton of veg and fruit that are low on carbs/sugar.

A variety of foods - even different meats are important for a balanced diet.