Ancillaries on tren

The Caped Crusader said:
INDIA PHARMA BABY. I don’t do these prescription based meds from UGL or CN. Either pharma grade or none. I like to know I am actually taking what I am taking specifically when it comes to these ancillaries, a must. This stack is mainly when I am really pushing and blasting the Tren other wise debatable or lessened if the dose is reasonable, respectable and tolerable.

Subjective. Tren sides lesser heavily for me and most when the other way around. 250 Test base at the upper most, ideally 200 personally, while my Tren can go up to a gram “tolerably”, i keep my Tren 3-5x the test ratio, and get away just fine. No caber. No ai. If I run it the other way around, I might as well just jump off a bridge. Once again, it’s all subjective.

I said goodbye to PG a decade ago. If you know you know. No disrespect to them as I have used them in my domestic amateur hunt days just fine until what I thought was real became real somewhere else.

Cheers!
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I just run test at trt, no matter what I run tren at. I’m 55, I’m nit running a gram of tren anymore, lol
 
fangedparabolan said:
For tren i like

Telemasartin for bp, kidneys, heart

Nebivolol for heart and for dropping the cns stimulation down which itself is brain and cardiotoxic

Empagliflozin in order to protect the kidneys from fibrosis and improve mitochondrial function in the heart

Finerenone to block the leak in the raas cascade that no ace or arb can cover via the MR. Thus preventing both heart and kidney fibrosis. MR activation in brain is neurotoxic so this alleviates another pathway

I like Pentoxifylline as it nukes all inflammation markers, improves ejection fraction 10%, allows deep oxygenation of organs and tissues, reduces anxiety and increases bdnf

Cialis for no production and bloodflow

Repatha and ezetimide to nuke ldl and apo b

Fluovaxamine for raising seratonin which anabolics lower, sigma 1 receptor agonism that protects the brain, anxiety reduction via regulating nmda receptors and thus preventing exitotoxicity in brain. It reduces anxiety further by ramping up production of allo p, it ramps up melatonin, and helps increase sleep via orexin. The seratonin and sigma 1 potentiate long term neurogensis healing damaged brain regions.

Dual action melatonin for its ability to clear amloyd plaque and aid sleep + anti-oxident benefits

Davigo for sleep along with clearing tau proteins that risk alzhimers

Hgh at 10iu for neurogenesis and sleep

I think its also important to run dht no ester or dht e or dht prop or cream or proviron along with tren in order to ensure adequate neurosteroids especially the anxiolytic ones. Mast and primo can work but are far less efficient dur to resistance to 5ar etc.

Other great options include memantine and donepezil for neurotoxicity inhibition

Otherwise magnesium bis, glycine, creatine, l theanine, taurine, tmg, pqq, co q 10, ala, vit e, gluathione, tudca, nac, pea, fish oil etc etc etc
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You take all those prescription meds every time you incorporate tren? Or only when at high dosage?
 
fangedparabolan said:
For tren i like

Telemasartin for bp, kidneys, heart

Nebivolol for heart and for dropping the cns stimulation down which itself is brain and cardiotoxic

Empagliflozin in order to protect the kidneys from fibrosis and improve mitochondrial function in the heart

Finerenone to block the leak in the raas cascade that no ace or arb can cover via the MR. Thus preventing both heart and kidney fibrosis. MR activation in brain is neurotoxic so this alleviates another pathway

I like Pentoxifylline as it nukes all inflammation markers, improves ejection fraction 10%, allows deep oxygenation of organs and tissues, reduces anxiety and increases bdnf

Cialis for no production and bloodflow

Repatha and ezetimide to nuke ldl and apo b

Fluovaxamine for raising seratonin which anabolics lower, sigma 1 receptor agonism that protects the brain, anxiety reduction via regulating nmda receptors and thus preventing exitotoxicity in brain. It reduces anxiety further by ramping up production of allo p, it ramps up melatonin, and helps increase sleep via orexin. The seratonin and sigma 1 potentiate long term neurogensis healing damaged brain regions.

Dual action melatonin for its ability to clear amloyd plaque and aid sleep + anti-oxident benefits

Davigo for sleep along with clearing tau proteins that risk alzhimers

Hgh at 10iu for neurogenesis and sleep

I think its also important to run dht no ester or dht e or dht prop or cream or proviron along with tren in order to ensure adequate neurosteroids especially the anxiolytic ones. Mast and primo can work but are far less efficient dur to resistance to 5ar etc.

Other great options include memantine and donepezil for neurotoxicity inhibition

Otherwise magnesium bis, glycine, creatine, l theanine, taurine, tmg, pqq, co q 10, ala, vit e, gluathione, tudca, nac, pea, fish oil etc etc etc
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pentoxifylline for ejection fraction increase… where did you find data that suggests that? it’s not used routinely in any heart failure patient i’ve dealt with.
 
Sorbate said:
I just run test at trt, no matter what I run tren at. I’m 55, I’m nit running a gram of tren anymore, lol
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I ran a normal 500mg test and then 400mg of Tren for my first tren cycle. This thread kinda makes me smile because I came to some of the same conclusions before seeing this.

Next cycle will be 150 test and 400 Tren. I felt the test was way too high and causing me to retain too much water, specifically in my abdomen. Felt like I had a GH bubble gut like I had been on GH for 10 years 😂
 
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torauntjemima said:
I ran a normal 500mg test and then 400mg of Tren for my first tren cycle. This thread kinda makes me smile because I came to some of the same conclusions before seeing this.

Next cycle will be 150 test and 400 Tren. I felt the test was way too high and causing me to retain too much water, specifically in my abdomen. Felt like I had a GH bubble gut like I had been on GH for 10 years 😂
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This is some pretty ingenious shit. I have admit its interesting but way over my head. How the fuck do you know all this shit? You might have already mentioned it but whats your line of work?
 
Bigbear said:
This is some pretty ingenious shit. I have admit its interesting but way over my head. How the fuck do you know all this shit? You might have already mentioned it but whats your line of work?
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I sense sarcasm but... Lol... Just saying I'll take less test next time... I always pair everything with 500 test, but I didn't think it worked well, at that dose, with Tren.
 
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fangedparabolan said:
"After adjustment for differences at baseline, pentoxifylline treatment produced an increase in radionuclide ejection fraction over the study period compared with the placebo-treated group (Table 2; Figure 1). The mean change in ejection fraction from baseline to 6 months was 9.2±11.4 in the pentoxifylline group versus 1.1±4.2 in the placebo group. Furthermore, at 6 months, radionuclide ejection fraction was greater in the pentoxifylline-treated than the placebo-treated group"


You are 100% correct its not a typical treatment for HF in north american though in the eastern block it was used like candy haha
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Sorry @torauntjemima I meant to reply to this post. No I wasnt being sarcastic this guy has a really high level of knowledge in medicine.
 
Bigbear said:
Sorry @torauntjemima I meant to reply to this post. No I wasnt being sarcastic this guy has a really high level of knowledge in medicine.
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His posts are insanely in depth. Im a fairly intelligent man. But im trying to absorb or understand some of this and lacking. Im all about supplements and ways to mitigate the effects of the PEDs we are using. But this makes me feel like I need to go back and reread my university biochem 😂😂😂.
 
T77 said:
His posts are insanely in depth. Im a fairly intelligent man. But im trying to absorb or understand some of this and lacking. Im all about supplements and ways to mitigate the effects of the PEDs we are using. But this makes me feel like I need to go back and reread my university biochem 😂😂😂.
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I know me too. I sense a strong matter of relevance and legitimacy to what he says though I definitly want to understand it lol
 
Bigbear said:
I know me too. I sense a strong matter of relevance and legitimacy to what he says though I definitly want to understand it lol
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his info is good. i fear the repercussions of using 2 grams of tren. him attempting damage mitigation is great, however it does seem he thinks he’s mitigated every bit of damage, which is impossible with anything toxic.
 
Been doing some reading on the physical/mental sides with running tren. i saw some guy believe its a histamine response that causes a lot of the side effects like the night sweats, insomnia etc. post was made in 2024 on another forum so i’m sure some of you read it.
something to do with irritated mast cells releasing a shit ton of histamine which the body struggles to metabolize. his protocol for fixing this is DAO + antihistamines. given that this is at least 2 year old protocol, have any of you tried this and did it have any effect on reducing sides?

biggest for me is the insomnia which consequently then ruins my already tren’d out mental status. organ stress aside of course, can mitigate but not eliminate that.
 
The Caped Crusader said:
Subjective. Tren sides lesser heavily for me and most when the other way around. 250 Test base at the upper most, ideally 200 personally, while my Tren can go up to a gram “tolerably”, i keep my Tren 3-5x the test ratio, and get away just fine. No caber. No ai. If I run it the other way around, I might as well just jump off a bridge. Once again, it’s all subjective.
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How did you figure out your ratio trial and error?
 
strongmann said:
How did you figure out your ratio trial and error?
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Yes and no. Science and physiology. If you keep following bro science you will suffer at times. Tren is nearly five times as competitive as testosterone to the Androgen Receptors. Take that sole information, read more physiology into it, connect the puzzles and trial and error. Let me know when you start to laugh because you noticed you don’t need an AI or Caber on higher tren with low/trt test while someone out there is dying from all kinds of E2 : PRL 19nor induced sides. Only time will tell mate!
 
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