Abnormal PED usage
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Ding ding ding! Winner winner chicken dinner! Everything is great until it isn’t
I know one guy whos dead right now that always got blood work. Another who has had serious issues and always had blood work done. I live in a northern rural area and I only know 4 people in my life that do gear. 2 are dead and died before 30 and the other 2 who are alive have both had heart attacks. Thats not great odds.
I have said for years, side effects when your young may not show up during or quickly after because the human body can take a lot of abuse. Especially the liver - you can damage 75% of your liver and not even know it and feel great.I have seen many a bro kick the bucket now. Nothing wrong with your saying. He is actually lucky someone says something from the heart. In reality the amounts he purposes will feel like God awful shit within 3mths max (I’ve done lots) and will beg God he didn’t do it. Good thing he is young and won’t suffer what many of my buddies do now-2 dead from heart attacks and 2 from cancer. We all started in the early 90’s. I stopped they did not.
Im having an extremely difficult time climbing 5 flights of stairs now. Get a crushing sensation like someone is best hugging me from behind, sweats and faint. Yup! No cancer from recent tests! Let’s see what comes back when I get back to Canada a d let my doctor know.
By the way guys, I had a stress ECG in August of 2022 at 50. The doctor said “You have an incredible ability to do work” They didn’t find anything wrong with me yet the above is happening now.
At least the liver can repair itself to some degree, but this cycle is too much.
Side effects, unless you are that 1 in 1,000 who are extremely lucky, will reap their ugly head later in life - maybe 2 years, maybe 20 but the amount listed as being taken plus 4 harsh liver orals, 3 neurotoxic compounds and orals (boldenone, tren, mtren) - which can seriously change your personality is really pushing it. They can all cross the BBB.
One of the smartest comments by a guy who competed at the Arnold Classic this year (first guy in this Province to do so) said to me 20 years ago -"nothing is free." He knows what he is doing is shortening his life or will impact his life in a negative manner down the road. Most likely people can figure out who that is as competing in the Arnolds in a big accomplishment.
A gent I know pushed the envelope and said to me I wish I coulc be in tren year round. He was on it close to 12 months a year. Knew him well and was open about what he used. Walking out of the gym one day, he said to me I think I pulled my chest muscles but was pushing directly where his heart is. At this point - he could not hide his abuse - 5'6 and 270 in the off season, but should have went to the ER. Anyway, Wade went to sleep and never woke up and left two kids without a dad. Very unfortunate and most people will know who he is. He is still all over the internet as well as his obituary.
Just a wake up for guys who really pushed it - try to find a safer way.
Sorry to hear about your issues. I hope they subside as not being able to stairs is a sign something is wrong. Best of luck.
Again, my point about side effects. thank you @superbeast. People go through a cycle and their liver enzymes are high but come down and think they are fine - horse shit. How many times does an alcoholic have to be on a bender and tax their liver before they get cirrhosis? No one knows which drink it was / which bender it was. Same with smoking, in my younger years - all the doormen smoked and I did too for a decade - I smoked at the front door or used chewing tobacco. Never had an issue/enjoyed it. No asthma in my family but now I have asthma - is it from the cigarettes? Don't know but I am sure it didn't help so know I have to take a puffer and am prone to chest infections. It is only getting worse and just changed my meds to open by bronchial tubes as well as take the inflation down in my lungs.
This in no way is beat up on one guy - @Tren4Evah - tons of guys have done foolish things and I think it is good to learn from them.
You may think you have organs of steel and maybe you do, that one anomaly that never gets serious issues, but highly unlikely. If your liver enzymes elevated before it is an indication you liver was stressed. I am conservative and admit it. My health is more important than anything. No one who is a regular lifter needs what you take or you are missing one of other main components to growth - food, rest, training. PED's. I consider PED's to be the least important - but no one will argue they help a lot.
Read @BanditNOLIMIT thread/log on his road to competing and anyone who plans to compete will learn a lot. I would not push it like he does, but I don't compete. I still respect the fact he takes every component of BBing equally important and is extremely detailed about it. Takes a copious amount of supplements to mitigate damage - blood work and then judges his blood work by the results and works to get it back to normal. Even has videos explaining why he feels that way.
Not for me, but I enjoyed the log and watched every video.
He is in a different class and competes and will again, so I assume he balances risk/reward, but do not want to speak for him.
Take @Funnyman - competes and takes a different approach. Each to their own. My reason to posting about you is I do not think you learned your lesson based on what you posted you are taking. It is really unhealthy and no one wants to see you injured, sick, or worse.
The liver is one the most resistant organs in the body. My ex said to me “The liver is one of the most resilient organs of the body. The average persons liver can easily live to 150yrs if not abused. It’s why we only take a piece of it at will for transplant “
Thx bro, I believe many of my issues are related to the lungs actually. Capacity is down quite a bit and oxygen levels were a touch under 95 last time checked. My mom’s was at 63 four months before she died. Cancer started there then spread 2.7yrs earlier. I smoke too much cigarettes but it was uncle whitey, a spoon and ammonia from 2004 to 2006 that did some serious damage that won’t repair itself. Lesson hard learned. My best friend George of 32 yrs spoke to uncle whitey for almost six years from 2004 to 2009 to the tune of about 40 elbows. He developed emphazima, COPD then finally nuemonia that took his life at 52 1:30pm Wednesday September 28 2021. My life has never been the same since, if there is an afterlife I hope I do go soon. If there is not keep dedicating my life and money to the cat rescue
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Sooooooo… how often did he do organ imaging and how pristine were his results bub
Because all of the organ imaging I have gotten in January are perfect. Normal size, full function, no abnormalities. Do I need to bold the letters for you? Not trying to be a dick but I don’t think you know what that means. If the organs are perfect function, normal size, no abnormalities etc, and I stop gear. 20 years later my left testicle isn’t going to go “hey haha remember when you took tren? I’m going to turn black and fall off lol” in the span of 3 months. I say 3 months since I get organ imaging every 3 months. Echos. You name it.
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Plug a code reader into a car with no damage to internals. Tell me what it says. let’s say fuel pump is 100% function, your fuel pump is 100% function.
I really want to make this clear, im not mad or angry at anyone but come one, let’s be realistic. All my organ imagine is fully comprehensive and looked for everything from macro changes to micro changes. Specialized testing. The only things that aren’t accounted for is my brain function 
, tendon integrity, and future fertility issues if I ever choose to have kids.
, tendon integrity, and future fertility issues if I ever choose to have kids.
Its all good until it aint, is all everyone is telling you @Tren4Evah .
Keep pushing and eventually your body will tell you to fuck off. Happens to everyone. You will not be immune. Do as you please as an adult, but remember the words from the elders.
We all make our own beds to lay in. Weather its food, drugs, gear or whatever, it all effects our bodies. Sometimes it just takes longer to show the damage.
Keep pushing and eventually your body will tell you to fuck off. Happens to everyone. You will not be immune. Do as you please as an adult, but remember the words from the elders.
We all make our own beds to lay in. Weather its food, drugs, gear or whatever, it all effects our bodies. Sometimes it just takes longer to show the damage.
Glad you shine light on these things @Goldenrod. There needs to be a healthy amount of push back for this level of drug abuse as its become far too normal these days to hear of 2g+ cycles plus a laundry list of peptides and god only knows what else.
I'll never grasp the appeal to use all that to look the way people do now. Competition or not it's sad to see bodybuilding turn into what it is now. To each their own of course.
I'll never grasp the appeal to use all that to look the way people do now. Competition or not it's sad to see bodybuilding turn into what it is now. To each their own of course.
Very poor analogy, because that is not true at all. Lol
I wanted to say the same thing. Don't get me started on car analogies lol
First off I could care less what grown men do it isn't my job to police anyone and clearly Tren4evah is taking some precautions without a doubt but there is higher risk especially with some drugs and scans and images aren't an absoulte, spending ~$4–6K a year on scans, which is fine, but that only tells you what’s detectable right now.
Routine ‘organ imaging’ mainly picks up gross structural issues, not early fibrosis, vascular damage, or functional decline. Same with an Echocardiogram and Electrocardiogram—they show current structure and rhythm, not subclinical pathology.
Long-term AAS exposure is associated with gradual changes—cardiac remodeling, endothelial dysfunction, lipid-driven plaque progression—that can stay below detection thresholds for years.
So normal scans every 3 months don’t prove there’s no risk—they just mean nothing measurable has shown up yet.”
We all know that this lifestyle has risks but lets not create a false narrative that I'm ok now so I will be fine at 55 it truly doesn't work that way. If it was just our nuts we had to worry about then we would all be on absurd doesages, again do whatever a guy wants just be safe.
Also all the health stuff is from my wife who has a masters of nursing, I'm just a dumb welder but when I got on gear she wanted to know as much as possible about what I was doing. The biggest takeaway is just be safe someone loves you.
Routine ‘organ imaging’ mainly picks up gross structural issues, not early fibrosis, vascular damage, or functional decline. Same with an Echocardiogram and Electrocardiogram—they show current structure and rhythm, not subclinical pathology.
Long-term AAS exposure is associated with gradual changes—cardiac remodeling, endothelial dysfunction, lipid-driven plaque progression—that can stay below detection thresholds for years.
So normal scans every 3 months don’t prove there’s no risk—they just mean nothing measurable has shown up yet.”
We all know that this lifestyle has risks but lets not create a false narrative that I'm ok now so I will be fine at 55 it truly doesn't work that way. If it was just our nuts we had to worry about then we would all be on absurd doesages, again do whatever a guy wants just be safe.
Also all the health stuff is from my wife who has a masters of nursing, I'm just a dumb welder but when I got on gear she wanted to know as much as possible about what I was doing. The biggest takeaway is just be safe someone loves you.
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There it is. That’s why you are irresponsible and your answers tend to be like this, preaching that your health benchmarks are pristine. I doubt it, you do you as the sensei said.
Have you seen Jon Skywalker? This dumb daredevil attitude until your body tells you f&$k off; superman? Yeah, sure. Next day posting crap about ending his life with congestive heart failure.
I am sure you don’t have dark intentions but you definitely need to grasp why this thread is very important and you are not a role model.
I won't answer for @biguglynewf - he can for himself, so much of your comments make no medical sense and I do not know how in the love of fuck you can get what you say you are getting done.
I will repeat again, any adult can do whatever they want, but for every person trying to help you, you have a rebuttal to try to indicate they are wrong.
You sarcastic tone with biguglynewf is not required - he made a point and the number of these scans you say you get are irrelevant. Probably the wrong person to pick a fight with, but time will tell if he even bothers to answer you.
What scans are you getting every 3 months that tell you all your organs are normal size, function properly - you can have normal sized organs that do not function properly. You can also have good blood work and be sick as shit. I am not going to list examples - just go to any medical site on prostate cancer or speak with a hepatoligist or gastroenterologist/internist. You are not getting that what you do now impacts the future., regardless of how vigilant you are.
You talk about micro and macro changes. You can see macro changes with a CT scan or an ultrasound - ultrasound is the cheapest. CT scans paid privately are very expensive especially if checking all your organs. Further no doctor would order these as the amount of radiation from 4 CT scans a year (for all organs) would catch up pretty quickly. Radiation in high dosages cause cancer.
You can get specialized MRI scans that cost a fortune (privately) or Pet scans (expensive too) that can catch micro changes. Pet scan is unlikely so you pay for 4 specialized MRI scans of all your organs. MRI scans are time consuming, extremely expensive, a radiologist has to read it and then send it to a GP. Most GP's do not have the knowledge to comprehend reports on all organs which is why it is the specialists who can only order MRI's in most Provinces/most GP's can't. It is possible in your Province a GP can order one, but they usually send you to a specialist when they do.
If you have a doctor who is willing to go through this extraordinary amount of time to give you 4 MRI recs a year and then send them to specialists who can analyze the reports - you have the best doctor in Canada.
There is no chance the Canadian Gov't is going to pay for you to have 4 scans a year unless you are being treated for something life threatening and they have to assess the progress of the treatment - not for someone who is abusing steroids. Therefor, the amount of money you spend on medical care, steroids, and supplements must be obscenely high. If you are, albeit I see zero chance of the MRI's all year round, good for you.
If you ever have plans for kids, don't fool yourself and think rampant steroid abuse now, can't make you permanently infertile / azoospermia. TRT does with some people. Even if it doesn't, many a gentleman who abused steroids can't have kids as the morphology never comes back /even with normal sperm counts back, with treatment with HMG, HCG, and SERMS.
Read what @Hussell said a few times as he is correct.
I agree 100% with what @Hussell - says, what you do is your business, but I am not buying all the claims you make. I am not sure if you just don't understand what people are saying, are trolling, or think what you are doing makes you immune to serious health issues down the road because it doesn't.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and I preach this on the forum all the time so anything you do to prevent issues is a plus, but there are no guarantees. The more you step on the gas, the faster you go, and the worse the accident will most likely be.
Just food for thought.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
It’s actually a remarkably solid position he's taking.
Just because there’s a complete absence of 50+ year-olds recommending this approach, that’s not a warning sign. It just means success at this level must be incredibly rare.
After all, if it was common, older guys would be lining up to say, “I did this in my 20s and feel amazing”
The fact that none of them are saying that proves nothing, because statistically someone has to be that guy.
That one outlier.
The one guy to come out the other side of years of aggressive use not just intact, but thriving.
We're all just waiting for the first success story.
And it might as well be him.
Years from now, he'll show you and with his proof of success you'll all be recommending this path to the next generation.
At that point, the only logical conclusion would be that the human body has been widely misunderstood, and he is personally correcting the literature in real time.
All the evidence says there are risks.
But none of it says those risks apply to him, specifically, right now, on this lab report.
And really, what more proof should anyone possibly need?
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Thank You Sir, I am way too lazy today to devote that many words to something that will likely go unheard but you nailed it. Imma gamble and go melt some butter and get the white cheddar cheese shaker.I was thinking the exact same thing.
It’s actually a remarkably solid position he's taking.
Just because there’s a complete absence of 50+ year-olds recommending this approach, that’s not a warning sign. It just means success at this level must be incredibly rare.
After all, if it was common, older guys would be lining up to say, “I did this in my 20s and feel amazing”
The fact that none of them are saying that proves nothing, because statistically someone has to be that guy.
That one outlier.
The one guy to come out the other side of years of aggressive use not just intact, but thriving.
We're all just waiting for the first success story.
And it might as well be him.
Years from now, he'll show you and with his proof of success you'll all be recommending this path to the next generation.
At that point, the only logical conclusion would be that the human body has been widely misunderstood, and he is personally correcting the literature in real time.
All the evidence says there are risks.
But none of it says those risks apply to him, specifically, right now, on this lab report.
And really, what more proof should anyone possibly need?