Abnormal PED usage
- Thread starter Goldenrod
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Ding ding ding! Winner winner chicken dinner! Everything is great until it isn’t
I know one guy whos dead right now that always got blood work. Another who has had serious issues and always had blood work done. I live in a northern rural area and I only know 4 people in my life that do gear. 2 are dead and died before 30 and the other 2 who are alive have both had heart attacks. Thats not great odds.
I have said for years, side effects when your young may not show up during or quickly after because the human body can take a lot of abuse. Especially the liver - you can damage 75% of your liver and not even know it and feel great.I have seen many a bro kick the bucket now. Nothing wrong with your saying. He is actually lucky someone says something from the heart. In reality the amounts he purposes will feel like God awful shit within 3mths max (I’ve done lots) and will beg God he didn’t do it. Good thing he is young and won’t suffer what many of my buddies do now-2 dead from heart attacks and 2 from cancer. We all started in the early 90’s. I stopped they did not.
Im having an extremely difficult time climbing 5 flights of stairs now. Get a crushing sensation like someone is best hugging me from behind, sweats and faint. Yup! No cancer from recent tests! Let’s see what comes back when I get back to Canada a d let my doctor know.
By the way guys, I had a stress ECG in August of 2022 at 50. The doctor said “You have an incredible ability to do work” They didn’t find anything wrong with me yet the above is happening now.
At least the liver can repair itself to some degree, but this cycle is too much.
Side effects, unless you are that 1 in 1,000 who are extremely lucky, will reap their ugly head later in life - maybe 2 years, maybe 20 but the amount listed as being taken plus 4 harsh liver orals, 3 neurotoxic compounds and orals (boldenone, tren, mtren) - which can seriously change your personality is really pushing it. They can all cross the BBB.
One of the smartest comments by a guy who competed at the Arnold Classic this year (first guy in this Province to do so) said to me 20 years ago -"nothing is free." He knows what he is doing is shortening his life or will impact his life in a negative manner down the road. Most likely people can figure out who that is as competing in the Arnolds in a big accomplishment.
A gent I know pushed the envelope and said to me I wish I coulc be in tren year round. He was on it close to 12 months a year. Knew him well and was open about what he used. Walking out of the gym one day, he said to me I think I pulled my chest muscles but was pushing directly where his heart is. At this point - he could not hide his abuse - 5'6 and 270 in the off season, but should have went to the ER. Anyway, Wade went to sleep and never woke up and left two kids without a dad. Very unfortunate and most people will know who he is. He is still all over the internet as well as his obituary.
Just a wake up for guys who really pushed it - try to find a safer way.
Sorry to hear about your issues. I hope they subside as not being able to stairs is a sign something is wrong. Best of luck.
Again, my point about side effects. thank you @superbeast. People go through a cycle and their liver enzymes are high but come down and think they are fine - horse shit. How many times does an alcoholic have to be on a bender and tax their liver before they get cirrhosis? No one knows which drink it was / which bender it was. Same with smoking, in my younger years - all the doormen smoked and I did too for a decade - I smoked at the front door or used chewing tobacco. Never had an issue/enjoyed it. No asthma in my family but now I have asthma - is it from the cigarettes? Don't know but I am sure it didn't help so know I have to take a puffer and am prone to chest infections. It is only getting worse and just changed my meds to open by bronchial tubes as well as take the inflation down in my lungs.
This in no way is beat up on one guy - @Tren4Evah - tons of guys have done foolish things and I think it is good to learn from them.
You may think you have organs of steel and maybe you do, that one anomaly that never gets serious issues, but highly unlikely. If your liver enzymes elevated before it is an indication you liver was stressed. I am conservative and admit it. My health is more important than anything. No one who is a regular lifter needs what you take or you are missing one of other main components to growth - food, rest, training. PED's. I consider PED's to be the least important - but no one will argue they help a lot.
Read @BanditNOLIMIT thread/log on his road to competing and anyone who plans to compete will learn a lot. I would not push it like he does, but I don't compete. I still respect the fact he takes every component of BBing equally important and is extremely detailed about it. Takes a copious amount of supplements to mitigate damage - blood work and then judges his blood work by the results and works to get it back to normal. Even has videos explaining why he feels that way.
Not for me, but I enjoyed the log and watched every video.
He is in a different class and competes and will again, so I assume he balances risk/reward, but do not want to speak for him.
Take @Funnyman - competes and takes a different approach. Each to their own. My reason to posting about you is I do not think you learned your lesson based on what you posted you are taking. It is really unhealthy and no one wants to see you injured, sick, or worse.