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Even though many of those could help with harm reduction, I am of the least amount of drugs to get the job done, type of person.

For example I see no need in taking a statin if your lipids are fine. Or blood pressure medication if your blood pressure is fine.

Now if the list is to take what you need when needed, then it could be a great list.
 
@fangedparabolan assuming you haven't blocked me already I have a question. What about harm already done? Will any of these protocols reverse damage?

I haven't touched tren in 2 years and ever since then the neurotoxicity has fucked my brain up into preferring chubby, even fat bitches. I'm talking like we need to get some harpoons out kinda fat.

I'm scared, please help. 🙏

I'm kinda serious. 😔
 
fangedparabolan said:
Hey brother thank you for the excellent question! Its a very important one at that!

I have great respect for the least amount of drugs type of person to get the job done but have yet to come across one whose blood pressure or lipids is "fine" by the actual science and medical literature standards.

Anabolic users show accelerated plaque accumulation when compared to average population. This means we fall into the extreme risk category and thus a medical gp saying we are fine because we fall into the green zone of the ref range is incorrect.

For us we require an apo b and ldl to be under 55 (usa units) both on a cycle and off of a cycle without it ever raising above this threshold in order to halt plaque accumulation and then reverse it. The only anabolic steroid users doing this are gifted genetically or vegan.

The problem with a single drug approach here say ezetimide is that blocking a specific pathway has been demonstrated to result in an upregulation in other pathways to compensate for this. We see this also with bp through the raas cascade when using telemasartin and aldosterone leakage occurs.

Also given the modern blood pressure standards 120/80 to 130/80 is stage 1 hypertension. Very few guys on anabolics are running around at say 105/60 or 110/70 and never reaching over 119/79.

And again its also important to note telemasartin covers only 60% of raas cascade the remaining % requires blocking the MR so even if bp is "fine" and cholesterol is "fine" you are accumulating damage to the brain, heart, and kidneys via both ar signaling and MR signaling and if doses are on the lower end this means it will simply rear its ugly head up on the backend. Most men are unaware that dht itself has a unique role in the progression of LVH that standard measures like bp, cholesterol, and telemasartin do not stop.

This is for say the heart an echo, ekg, holtor, stress test are not enough and a cardiac mri is required to fully test for fibrosis.

The final flaw i wish to address in this philosophy is that these drugs have benefits beyond their typical uses that will result in enhanced lifespan i.e. empagliflozin

When our community has medical doctors like dr thomas o connor, dr andrew winge, and dr nathan downey recommending these drugs and utalizibg them themselves despite perfect blood pressure it should lead you to question your own positions validity in the face of those whose job is trt/hrt managment in hundreds to thousands of clients. They have the education and experience here. The probability you know better or more or understand the topic at 1/5th the level they do is unlikely. We must humble ourselves and learn that biolgy and evolutionary are facts that dont care aboit our hippy theories.

But yes all lifestyle factors should be utalized prior and if they fail drugs are the answer.
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What you say makes sense, but I wonder what some of the sides the added on protective drugs have?

I wonder if it is better to only use if needed?

I do not claim to understand the topic, but just apply basic common sense to the situation. All drugs have some sort of potential to unwanted effects.
 
...and this is why i say pro level athletes are a walking pharmacological experiment.

I respect that the OP is trying to give a deeper insight into harm prevention while using peds.

I also would like to say that when someone takes this much time and effort into what would be needed to reduce harm enough for them to feel that they have found the "way" to do peds "safely" or safer that it just screams very loudly exactly how unhealthy the whole thing really is.

Its better to attempt to fully understand and attempt to mitigate risk if this is the route an individual chooses (going pro). So for that i give the OP respect. While respecting the OP i recommend everybody does thier own reasearch into all that has been said as it is each of our own responsiblities to protect ourselves and we cannot just take someones word for it, no matter how well it is written.
 
So @fangedparabolan ,

What would be the list of polypharma for someone who just likes to run 500mg of test per week, occasional proviron 25-50mg per day and 1-2iu of quality hgh?

Is the list the same and just amounts depend on med test results?

This is very off putting of a post you have made tbh. More and more i am getting steered towards 250 test and 1-2 iu gh only.
 
Sorbate said:
What you say makes sense, but I wonder what some of the sides the added on protective drugs have?

I wonder if it is better to only use if needed?

I do not claim to understand the topic, but just apply basic common sense to the situation. All drugs have some sort of potential to unwanted effects.
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Exactly. Now taking this as my lipids are high from AIs. But the satin is giving me ED so loading up on Viagra. But Viagra is giving me stuffy head so I’m sniffing Otrivin. Otrivin is giving me dry mouth……… 🤦‍♂️
 
The Old Guy said:
@DeeKnows and @Sorbate your pussification is keeping you from getting huge.

Oh my shoulder hurts……..Oxy

I can’t grow …………. Tren

I don’t have time………..Meth

I’m lacking motivation………Meth again

My intensity is waning………..Meth, Tren and Halo.


So any more questions or excuses bitches.
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And the Meth will eliminate all the happy feelings from the Tren win win
 
The Old Guy said:
@DeeKnows and @Sorbate your pussification is keeping you from getting huge.

Oh my shoulder hurts……..Oxy

I can’t grow …………. Tren

I don’t have time………..Meth

I’m lacking motivation………Meth again

My intensity is waning………..Meth, Tren and Halo.


So any more questions or excuses bitches.
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Lol
This is the reality for me

Oh my shoulder hurts……..deca

I can’t grow……chocolate bars/potato chips

I don’t have time…..ephedrine/coffee

I’m lacking motivation……ephedrine/coffee

My intensity is waning…..ephedrine/coffee

No excuses.

I tore my long head bicep tendon, broke 2 ribs, 9 and 10 days ago respectively. Today I cut down a bunch of tree branches on my 18’ ladder, ground some concrete ledges to blend them in better (need a bigger grinder to finish, mines too small), removed part of the wall in my wife’s workout room and found the crack that is weeping and leaking on the floor. Fix that next week once everything dries.

I did that after a 9 hour work day, and now I’m having a beer (actually I’m on here while I’m taking a poop, but back to beer in a moment, lol)

But you are not far off, lol.

Mind you I wonder what drug protocol I should use to fix all my injuries and keep moving? Mott C with more ephedrine, or DMMA and BCP, tb, gh, ……..
 
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