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[Mwcc]

Im starting a new thread that is a bit of a part 2 of my first post. I’ve taken the advice of a few members and can say my joints already feel better. I knew the problem was that they were being overworked but was reluctant to take a break in fear of a loss at the gym.

The main focus for me now is starting my first “mini cycle”. I’m 42 years old, 6ft and weigh 180lbs. I’m currently on 150mg of Test C, plus around 10 different peptides and want to add something to it. I will be dropping most of the peptides. I’m a CrossFit guy, so I’m mostly looking for “leaner” muscle mass and strength. My endurance is already great for my age but also wouldn’t look past Eq as part of the cycle. My main “fear” is having my doctor stop my TRT as my blood work is still being monitored every 3 months(due in 2.5 months). I believe after the next one it will be done every 6 months. Given the above info, what would you guys recommend I add to my TRT? I’m sure the question gets asked all of the time but for inexperienced guys, all of the reading and research still leads to confusion and uncertainty. I appreciate any help.

 

[Mfg Eng]

10 different peptides, 6ft 180 and you want to try more chemicals? Holy moly batman. Hope you get off everything and dial down the test so you can stay on prescription. Once you get yearly bloods you are off to the races. Cross fit is nice however roids are more setup for muscle gain.

 

[animal-inside]

I don't know much about peptides, but 10 different ones seems a lot and without knowing what they are, doses each one etc, no one here can really advise on it..

I'm about your age and on scipt 100mg a week for around 8 years.. I've bounced around between many doc's and some want bloods once a year and some want bloods every 3 months.. If I want to go higher than 100mg, I just add 50-100 mg prop.. prop leaves pretty quick, but other indicators can bust you.. Prop is also nice if you are looking to avoid bloat, but "leaness" has nothing to do with the gear and everything to do with your diet

 

[Goldenrod]

Im starting a new thread that is a bit of a part 2 of my first post. I’ve taken the advice of a few members and can say my joints already feel better. I knew the problem was that they were being overworked but was reluctant to take a break in fear of a loss at the gym.

The main focus for me now is starting my first “mini cycle”. I’m 42 years old, 6ft and weigh 180lbs. I’m currently on 150mg of Test C, plus around 10 different peptides and want to add something to it. I will be dropping most of the peptides. I’m a CrossFit guy, so I’m mostly looking for “leaner” muscle mass and strength. My endurance is already great for my age but also wouldn’t look past Eq as part of the cycle. My main “fear” is having my doctor stop my TRT as my blood work is still being monitored every 3 months(due in 2.5 months). I believe after the next one it will be done every 6 months. Given the above info, what would you guys recommend I add to my TRT? I’m sure the question gets asked all of the time but for inexperienced guys, all of the reading and research still leads to confusion and uncertainty. I appreciate any help.

Do you mind me asking what 10 peptides you are taking? Can't imagine how many injections a day. If this is part 2, you are new so I apologize I don't remember part 1.
Not going to shit on you about peptides but remember most are experimental and like many of the SARMS (which were popular for people who could get quality steroids) - none were approved yet for human usage and the long term impact to your health is not known / I admit I tried a few and they did what I expected but everything left that I gained. A low dose test/primo or test/deca cycle and I keep 80% of what I gained pending I am still eating and training.
What are you thinking of adding - another peptide or steroid? I think crossfit is something interesting to watch, but a recipe for disaster and injuries if you do the more advanced movements/push yourself. Any Orthopaedic Surgeon I know tell me they always see guys from cross fit gyms, but if you enjoy it and progress slowly - you will get stronger and more muscular from PED's. I know guys on steroids who are in gymnastics and are shredded/lean muscle and anyone who thinks the strength movements in gymnastics are easier than many BBing movements - I would disagree.

1 - find out when you will be tested (blood work by endo). Short esters can be used and cleared long before your blood work.
2 - what hormones are they testing? Most Endocrinologists, who understand PED's, can tell if you are taking other compounds based on your results/health markers or they will tell you they have to decrease your TRT script. Boldenone in low doses will increase your endurance but it acts as an AI for many and takes a long time to clear and to kick in. Same with Deca, hence NPP is a better choice as it kicks in quicker and clears quicker but Deca/NPP will show up on a blood test similar to testosterone in the same way tren shows up as estrogen.

Leaner muscle gain and strength can be from any steroid. I am referring to adding in another 150 mg of a compound as you don't need to jump on a high dosage. A small amount of Deca/NPP goes a long way and you can always increase it.

Before recommending anything - please advise the 10 peptides you take. What supplements/vitamins/minerals do you take?

 

[Mwcc]

Do you mind me asking what 10 peptides you are taking? Can't imagine how many injections a day. If this is part 2, you are new so I apologize I don't remember part 1.
Not going to shit on you about peptides but remember most are experimental and like many of the SARMS (which were popular for people who could get quality steroids) - none were approved yet for human usage and the long term impact to your health is not known / I admit I tried a few and they did what I expected but everything left that I gained. A low dose test/primo or test/deca cycle and I keep 80% of what I gained pending I am still eating and training.
What are you thinking of adding - another peptide or steroid? I think crossfit is something interesting to watch, but a recipe for disaster and injuries if you do the more advanced movements/push yourself. Any Orthopaedic Surgeon I know tell me they always see guys from cross fit gyms, but if you enjoy it and progress slowly - you will get stronger and more muscular from PED's. I know guys on steroids who are in gymnastics and are shredded/lean muscle and anyone who thinks the strength movements in gymnastics are easier than many BBing movements - I would disagree.

1 - find out when you will be tested (blood work by endo). Short esters can be used and cleared long before your blood work.
2 - what hormones are they testing? Most Endocrinologists, who understand PED's, can tell if you are taking other compounds based on your results/health markers or they will tell you they have to decrease your TRT script. Boldenone in low doses will increase your endurance but it acts as an AI for many and takes a long time to clear and to kick in. Same with Deca, hence NPP is a better choice as it kicks in quicker and clears quicker but Deca/NPP will show up on a blood test similar to testosterone in the same way tren shows up as estrogen.

Leaner muscle gain and strength can be from any steroid. I am referring to adding in another 150 mg of a compound as you don't need to jump on a high dosage. A small amount of Deca/NPP goes a long way and you can always increase it.

Before recommending anything - please advise the 10 peptides you take. What supplements/vitamins/minerals do you take?

My diet is locked in. I weigh and track everything I eat. Right now I’m eating 3388 calories/day. 191G of protein, 112G of fat, 401G of carbs, I usually end up a little higher on the protein and a tad lower in the carbs/fat. I’m definitely looking to go the anabolic route. I don’t take every peptide daily but I’m averaging 8 pins a day, which is getting old. I take the following peptides along with my TRT.
Bpc 157
Tb 500
Reta
Mots c
SS31
CJC 1295 with ipamorelin
Kpv
Ghk cu
NAD +
SELANK
Semax

For vitamins and supplements it’s the following,
Magnesium bis
Glucosamine and chondroitin
Liposomal and vitamin c
Iron Bis
Ubiquinol
Zinc picolinate
Krill oil
Vit D3
B complex

Protein and creatine

 

[Strava]

Do you mind me asking what 10 peptides you are taking? Can't imagine how many injections a day. If this is part 2, you are new so I apologize I don't remember part 1.
Not going to shit on you about peptides but remember most are experimental and like many of the SARMS (which were popular for people who could get quality steroids) - none were approved yet for human usage and the long term impact to your health is not known / I admit I tried a few and they did what I expected but everything left that I gained. A low dose test/primo or test/deca cycle and I keep 80% of what I gained pending I am still eating and training.
What are you thinking of adding - another peptide or steroid? I think crossfit is something interesting to watch, but a recipe for disaster and injuries if you do the more advanced movements/push yourself. Any Orthopaedic Surgeon I know tell me they always see guys from cross fit gyms, but if you enjoy it and progress slowly - you will get stronger and more muscular from PED's. I know guys on steroids who are in gymnastics and are shredded/lean muscle and anyone who thinks the strength movements in gymnastics are easier than many BBing movements - I would disagree.

1 - find out when you will be tested (blood work by endo). Short esters can be used and cleared long before your blood work.
2 - what hormones are they testing? Most Endocrinologists, who understand PED's, can tell if you are taking other compounds based on your results/health markers or they will tell you they have to decrease your TRT script. Boldenone in low doses will increase your endurance but it acts as an AI for many and takes a long time to clear and to kick in. Same with Deca, hence NPP is a better choice as it kicks in quicker and clears quicker but Deca/NPP will show up on a blood test similar to testosterone in the same way tren shows up as estrogen.

Leaner muscle gain and strength can be from any steroid. I am referring to adding in another 150 mg of a compound as you don't need to jump on a high dosage. A small amount of Deca/NPP goes a long way and you can always increase it.

Before recommending anything - please advise the 10 peptides you take. What supplements/vitamins/minerals do you take?

@Goldenrod, I love the way you respond to posts. Well educated responses. Keep it up!

 

[Goldenrod]

My diet is locked in. I weigh and track everything I eat. Right now I’m eating 3388 calories/day. 191G of protein, 112G of fat, 401G of carbs, I usually end up a little higher on the protein and a tad lower in the carbs/fat. I’m definitely looking to go the anabolic route. I don’t take every peptide daily but I’m averaging 8 pins a day, which is getting old. I take the following peptides along with my TRT.
Bpc 157
Tb 500
Reta
Mots c
SS31
CJC 1295 with ipamorelin
Kpv
Ghk cu
NAD +
SELANK
Semax

For vitamins and supplements it’s the following,
Magnesium bis
Glucosamine and chondroitin
Liposomal and vitamin c
Iron Bis
Ubiquinol
Zinc picolinate
Krill oil
Vit D3
B complex

Protein and creatine

Morning,

@Strava - kind words, thank you.

I get a lot of the healing peptides. Reta if you want assistance in being lean - I am no expert on Reta and just started it for the first time ever, so won't pretend I am. Also understand the alternative to HGH - any idea what your BG or IGF number is?
I'm not against any of the particular peptide but like anything you take, hard to know what is helping you get stronger, prevent injuries, etc. Unless you tried 2 and then started adding more in to see what they did and also obtained blood work to confirm your body doesn't have an issue with the peptide - I would not take that many at one time.
Considering what is available and with health in mind, any of the three (in low dosages - don't jump on high dosages as you create a scenario where each cycle feels like it must be more / better than the last one). I consider 100-150 mg of a compound low. Anyone who wants to say that is a waste then quit taking protein powder and creatine as they are a waste. 100 mg of Deca/NPP has a profound impact on my strength and growth.

If you grow/gain from 100 mg a week of Deca, then break and back to TRT, and you don't have to take 200 mg next time - 100 will work again. The benefits of using small dosages infrequently will mean if you continue on this path, you won't need higher dosages later on. These 2 gram plus a kitchen sink of peptides and orals cycles, are jeopardizing your health and are not needed. Each to their own, but do yourself a favour and just add in 100 mg of Deca/NPP, I have no issues with low dosages of boldenone but it takes a month to really feel it, if you can get masteron - again, a low dose added to your test will have a profound impact.

You should never hesitate to take time off and be concerned about loss of muscle. If I need 3 days off because my last two workouts were great and taxed my nervous system and muscles/tendons/ligaments - I take it and my next workout is always great with a great pump. If you need a week off in this turtle sport, you won't lose a lb of muscle - just take it and then go back. You can not, enhanced or not, continue on a progressive overload system forever. Eventually (unless you are that 1% of 1% of the population), something will give and your body will force you stop.

There would be a lot more muscle and healthy lifters without pain if people took more time off. Don't care if you are on a large cycle and don't want to waste a day - it isn't a waste, growth and progress comes from the kitchen, days off / rest in general from the work in the gym or whatever sport is taxing your entire body.

There are tons of people who would not respond to 150 mg of Deca on to a low dose TRT protocol because they blast over a gram and cruise at 250-500 mg between cycles. Hence, a low dose I refer to is lower than their cruise. Are they most likely, pending all the other factors are in check, going to be more muscular and look better - yup, but at what cost. You can only do that for so long.

Enough said, best of luck if you choose to add a low dose compound.
Nothing wrong with your supplements, but I would consider completely changing what I take to help protect your kidneys, liver, lipids (cardiovascular system), BP, etc. That is another topic.

Good luck

 

[Strava]

Morning,

@Strava - kind words, thank you.

I get a lot of the healing peptides. Reta if you want assistance in being lean - I am no expert on Reta and just started it for the first time ever, so won't pretend I am. Also understand the alternative to HGH - any idea what your BG or IGF number is?
I'm not against any of the particular peptide but like anything you take, hard to know what is helping you get stronger, prevent injuries, etc. Unless you tried 2 and then started adding more in to see what they did and also obtained blood work to confirm your body doesn't have an issue with the peptide - I would not take that many at one time.
Considering what is available and with health in mind, any of the three (in low dosages - don't jump on high dosages as you create a scenario where each cycle feels like it must be more / better than the last one). I consider 100-150 mg of a compound low. Anyone who wants to say that is a waste then quit taking protein powder and creatine as they are a waste. 100 mg of Deca/NPP has a profound impact on my strength and growth.

If you grow/gain from 100 mg a week of Deca, then break and back to TRT, and you don't have to take 200 mg next time - 100 will work again. The benefits of using small dosages infrequently will mean if you continue on this path, you won't need higher dosages later on. These 2 gram plus a kitchen sink of peptides and orals cycles, are jeopardizing your health and are not needed. Each to their own, but do yourself a favour and just add in 100 mg of Deca/NPP, I have no issues with low dosages of boldenone but it takes a month to really feel it, if you can get masteron - again, a low dose added to your test will have a profound impact.

You should never hesitate to take time off and be concerned about loss of muscle. If I need 3 days off because my last two workouts were great and taxed my nervous system and muscles/tendons/ligaments - I take it and my next workout is always great with a great pump. If you need a week off in this turtle sport, you won't lose a lb of muscle - just take it and then go back. You can not, enhanced or not, continue on a progressive overload system forever. Eventually (unless you are that 1% of 1% of the population), something will give and your body will force you stop.

There would be a lot more muscle and healthy lifters without pain if people took more time off. Don't care if you are on a large cycle and don't want to waste a day - it isn't a waste, growth and progress comes from the kitchen, days off / rest in general from the work in the gym or whatever sport is taxing your entire body.

There are tons of people who would not respond to 150 mg of Deca on to a low dose TRT protocol because they blast over a gram and cruise at 250-500 mg between cycles. Hence, a low dose I refer to is lower than their cruise. Are they most likely, pending all the other factors are in check, going to be more muscular and look better - yup, but at what cost. You can only do that for so long.

Enough said, best of luck if you choose to add a low dose compound.
Nothing wrong with your supplements, but I would consider completely changing what I take to help protect your kidneys, liver, lipids (cardiovascular system), BP, etc. That is another topic.

Good luck

Not to hijack Mwcc’s inquiry, I have just come off a 12 week cycle that consisted of 250mg test E total /week paired with 150mg Mast p total/week. I was able to put on 7lb of lean muscle and lean out slightly. Going from 188lb to 195 ish. People who haven’t seen me in a while complimented. I will add that my whole food protein source increased to about 190+ grams daily.

 

[Mwcc]

Morning,

@Strava - kind words, thank you.

I get a lot of the healing peptides. Reta if you want assistance in being lean - I am no expert on Reta and just started it for the first time ever, so won't pretend I am. Also understand the alternative to HGH - any idea what your BG or IGF number is?
I'm not against any of the particular peptide but like anything you take, hard to know what is helping you get stronger, prevent injuries, etc. Unless you tried 2 and then started adding more in to see what they did and also obtained blood work to confirm your body doesn't have an issue with the peptide - I would not take that many at one time.
Considering what is available and with health in mind, any of the three (in low dosages - don't jump on high dosages as you create a scenario where each cycle feels like it must be more / better than the last one). I consider 100-150 mg of a compound low. Anyone who wants to say that is a waste then quit taking protein powder and creatine as they are a waste. 100 mg of Deca/NPP has a profound impact on my strength and growth.

If you grow/gain from 100 mg a week of Deca, then break and back to TRT, and you don't have to take 200 mg next time - 100 will work again. The benefits of using small dosages infrequently will mean if you continue on this path, you won't need higher dosages later on. These 2 gram plus a kitchen sink of peptides and orals cycles, are jeopardizing your health and are not needed. Each to their own, but do yourself a favour and just add in 100 mg of Deca/NPP, I have no issues with low dosages of boldenone but it takes a month to really feel it, if you can get masteron - again, a low dose added to your test will have a profound impact.

You should never hesitate to take time off and be concerned about loss of muscle. If I need 3 days off because my last two workouts were great and taxed my nervous system and muscles/tendons/ligaments - I take it and my next workout is always great with a great pump. If you need a week off in this turtle sport, you won't lose a lb of muscle - just take it and then go back. You can not, enhanced or not, continue on a progressive overload system forever. Eventually (unless you are that 1% of 1% of the population), something will give and your body will force you stop.

There would be a lot more muscle and healthy lifters without pain if people took more time off. Don't care if you are on a large cycle and don't want to waste a day - it isn't a waste, growth and progress comes from the kitchen, days off / rest in general from the work in the gym or whatever sport is taxing your entire body.

There are tons of people who would not respond to 150 mg of Deca on to a low dose TRT protocol because they blast over a gram and cruise at 250-500 mg between cycles. Hence, a low dose I refer to is lower than their cruise. Are they most likely, pending all the other factors are in check, going to be more muscular and look better - yup, but at what cost. You can only do that for so long.

Enough said, best of luck if you choose to add a low dose compound.
Nothing wrong with your supplements, but I would consider completely changing what I take to help protect your kidneys, liver, lipids (cardiovascular system), BP, etc. That is another topic.

Good luck

Goldenrod,

First I want to thank you for the time and effort you put into these post. This is proof there is no replacement for experience. Im attaching my bloods from my other post as a reference.
Hematocrit =.496 L/L
glucose fasting is 4.2mmol/L .
HDL = 2.01 mmol/l
LDL= 1.59 mmol/l
Prolactin = 11.4 ug/L
Ferritin=99ug/l
Thyroid simulating hormone=0.83 miu/L
Hemoglobin=5.7%
Estradiol = 104 pmol/L
Testosterone = 26.4 nmol/l
Free test 683 pmol/l
Lh was 2.2 in/l before TRT
Fsh was 3.2 out/l before TRT
C Reactive protein 0.5 mg/l

I would like to drop most of the peptides and my idea was to always do a low dose/short cycle. Given my goals and focus, would deca/npp/mast be the better choice over another. Does one show up more in bloods or would I be better to wait before starting until my next bloods are taken in roughly 2 months? This way If I do an 8 week cycle, I would have a month before my blood is taken again?

 

[Goldenrod]

Goldenrod,

First I want to thank you for the time and effort you put into these post. This is proof there is no replacement for experience. Im attaching my bloods from my other post as a reference.
Hematocrit =.496 L/L
glucose fasting is 4.2mmol/L .
HDL = 2.01 mmol/l
LDL= 1.59 mmol/l
Prolactin = 11.4 ug/L
Ferritin=99ug/l
Thyroid simulating hormone=0.83 miu/L
Hemoglobin=5.7%
Estradiol = 104 pmol/L
Testosterone = 26.4 nmol/l
Free test 683 pmol/l
Lh was 2.2 in/l before TRT
Fsh was 3.2 out/l before TRT
C Reactive protein 0.5 mg/l

I would like to drop most of the peptides and my idea was to always do a low dose/short cycle. Given my goals and focus, would deca/npp/mast be the better choice over another. Does one show up more in bloods or would I be better to wait before starting until my next bloods are taken in roughly 2 months? This way If I do an 8 week cycle, I would have a month before my blood is taken again?

Morning,
You are already on what I believe is prescribed testosterone at a decent dose, I am surprised your testosterone numbers aren't higher, but everyone is different how they process hormones. Even if not prescribed 100 mg would put me a few points over the top of highest level of normal.
If you want to add something in, my point is almost anything will make a difference. I love Deca/NPP (same compound/different ester) for strength/adding muscle but there is no need to go crazy with dosages or adding in another compound.
If you consider this a safe trial - keep in mind long term / high dosages of Nandrolone (deca/NPP) are know for left ventricle hypertrophy, hence the shorter the course and the lower the dose the better if you are making progress.
I do not look at PED's or training as a goal to be the most ripped/largest guy in the gym and will not jeopardize my health and do things that I think could cause irreversible issues.
Long story short, I am on TRT and am using approximately 130-150 mg of Deca/NPP (I am using both to hit the required low dosage) but once Deca has enough time to kick in/drop the NPP, and making great strength gains and growing.
No one will state some compounds are better for strength/size and others for cutting and getting a more lean look, but you can do this on any compound with diet/training/get enough rest.
Since your crossfit, I assume you live in pain if you do hardcore crossfit, and the benefit of nandrolone (Deca) is the benefits I recently wrote about regarding healing/pain relief. Oxandrolone is being studies for this as well, but I see no need to stress you kidneys or liver. People will state you only have one first cycle so hammer down and grow like crazy. I 100% disagree - start low and you can increase your dosage if you wish. Further, down the road your body doesn't get accustomed to high dosages and even a small increase will make a difference. People can believe what they like, but 150 mg of Deca makes an incredible difference in my strength and size when I eat to grow.

As I already mentioned if you may have blood tests in short order or the doctor could test you via a request to come in, I would not use Deca and stick with NPP. Both show up on blood tests as testosterone (not in the same way as 1 mg of test is 1 mg of test - at least for me) and your test 'may' look higher than it is. Look up the half life of NPP and Deca, and I am advocate for dry runs. Test it yourself and pay for your own blood tests (hormones) with a Naturopath and determine how long you have to be off either in order for your testosterone / other hormones to normalize to the prescribed testosterone.
I did with test prop and test E and know exactly how many days I need in order to be below the lowest line and also to be back in the normal range with 100 mg of test E per week.

As for bloods - I am paranoid. I do a full CBC, liver, kidney, lipid, inflammation markers, etc. and pay for it anytime I use a new company or different product about 2 weeks in (I don't wait for months to see if I am feeling great but my liver enzymes are through the roof). I already have a copy of my baseline so I know if something is off and my liver enzymes or e-GFR is off, I know which compound/peptide is doing it and that will never be used again.
Learn to read your own blood work, keep a log of what you were on when you had the results done privately or through our putrid medical system, and ask for a copy. You have the rights to your entire medical file at any time, and all blood work or diagnostic tests so make sure you keep a file so if you have an issue you can look back and try to sort it out.

I only mentioned Masteron as it is popular for lean gains, and some labs may still have it but I have never used it. When Primo was available, I used Primo instead as it is easier on the prostate / hair (subjective).

People will chuckle at the dosages I take, but I could give a shit. If I can get the same as someone else who needs a gram of Deca with 150 mg a week - I consider this a bonus. I am not naive or dim - I know if I increased my dosages I would gain more but If I don't need it to go up to 250lbs with a reasonable BF - why?

Just a comment, no matter how good your diet is, hiring @Funnyman is worth as much or better than any vial of anything. Lots of guys here will help you, but we can all learn from each other.