road to lean

[Power Peptides rep]

most people think of Primo

too much money for me.

using script or UGL HGH

ugl. I test all of it.

hat high of a dose without BG going up / and IGF.

reta works wonders on bg numbers

as for the igf, I just read this yesterday

The Genetics of GH Response (ΔIGF-1)

Are You A Hypo- or Non- Responder to GH?

GHR gene polymorphisms

HGH at 4 IU daily increases IGF-1 for most, but some people are hypo- or even non- responders. This fact depends on SNPs in the growth hormone receptor (GHR) gene.

Those who are hyper-responders possess the d3-GHR polymorphism. Population variance in this gene polymorphism can be as high as 50% in some populations. I write more about this in my Bolus HGH book. Search Google or whatever.

But even for d3-GHR GH hyper-responders, rhGH requires 16 – 20 weeks to produce visible physique changes. That's not "slow working" – that's the actual timeline for collagen synthesis and hyperplasia.

Growth hormone stimulates hepatic IGF-1 production, which triggers satellite cell proliferation and differentiation. New muscle cell formation takes 12+ weeks. Collagen deposition in connective tissue requires 20+ weeks of elevated GH/IGF-1.

Guys run GH for 8 weeks and say "it doesn't work." You spent $2000 to barely start the adaptation process. GH effects are dose-dependent AND time-dependent – you need both sufficient dose (4+ IU daily) and sufficient duration (6+ months).

For actual results: 4 IU daily for 6 months minimum. Split AM/PM dosing to mimic pulsatile secretion. Add MK-677 (12.5 mg nightly) to amplify endogenous pulses. If you're not seeing results, find out whether you're d3 null in the GHR gene with genetic testing. There are at least two SNPs that 'tag' the d3-GHR (hyper-response) allele with near certainty, at least in Caucasian/European populations (and perhaps others) and that are also present on most genotyping chips. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed… & ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed…. These SNPs, shown below with the tagging (minor) allele correlated with the d3-GHR allele, are:

rs6873545(C); in 23andMe and other data<br>rs4590183(C) in <a rel="nofollow ugc noopener" target="_blank" href="http://ancestry.com/">ancestry.com</a> and other data<br>
Other relevant genes to endocrinologists considering rhGH treatment in apparent adult GHD: IGF1R, GH1 and others, in addition to d3-GHR (whether exon 3-deleted GHR).

 

[Power Peptides rep]

I never tried it

you're missing out

 

[Power Peptides rep]

full body 4/12

chest fly 3pps x 25
back supported pullover 70x25
converging chest press 3pps x 20
pull-up 17
chest supported row 4pps x 16
dip machine 3pps x 12
barbell row 315x12
db shoulder press 35x12
ez bar curl 25x25
hatfield squat 500x14
leg press 500x30
leg extension 100x25
leg curl 100x25

macros: P 483, C 235, F 48
steps: 22,676
cardio: 124 MIN -- HR 98
sleep: 8 hours -- myair 100
bw: 228.9
bp: 112/66 -- 62
bg_fstd--bg_fed: 66 -- 78

285 mg sus
50 mg eq
60 mg 1-test c
24 iu somatropin
20 mg cardarine
5 mg tadalafil
25 mcg t3
150 mcg t4
1800 mg nac
20 mg isotretinoin
6g fish oil
40mg melatonin
10k iu + 200mcg d3/k2
2.8 g Potassium Citrate Powder
5 g Polyethylene Glycol 3350
1575 mg dandelion extract

 

[Devson]

I definitely can relate being a former fatty. You're doing pretty incredible. The only thing I worry for is longevity. I'd stay away from the Ronnie Coleman lifts lol, shit even if you were twenty I'd be like, well you're pressing more than most pros but your legs aren't there yet so you have room to grow using much less weight.

 

[Mfg Eng]

285 mg sus

This is not per day is it? 2g/wk test?

 

[Goldenrod]

This is not per day is it? 2g/wk test?

The OP can can correct me but it with 1-test it is 2,415 mg of test a week and estrogen issues controlled with 350 of boldenone. Most people need an AI if using 2 grams plus of test, lucky gent. Same with 24 IU of tested HGH which is an very high amount and no need for insulin, no BG issues, and low IGF - everyone is different. This is a good example of someone who really responds uniquely to PED's.
Don't mean to speak for power peptides rep but believe he answered the amounts are all daily.
I love the converging chest press too - I have been using the flat converging chest press as my first chest exercise. Never did it before and awesome for drop sets as it is controlled by a pin.

 

[Power Peptides rep]

he answered the amounts are all daily.

yes daily.

awesome for drop sets

I agree. I can really go to failure.

 

[Power Peptides rep]

2g/wk test?

yes

 

[Power Peptides rep]

but your legs aren't there yet

I hate my legs

 

[superbeast]

53 yrs old and taking almost 3g of gear per week, plus all the HGh?
Why?

 

[gondar1]

The OP can can correct me but it with 1-test it is 2,415 mg of test a week and estrogen issues controlled with 350 of boldenone. Most people need an AI if using 2 grams plus of test, lucky gent.

FYI Posting only to clarify for anyone who comes across this thread and is not aware of the differences which could be come important in a program for various reasons, sides etc, too much to get into here but I'd suggest researching for anyone considering using it.

Not that it matters in this context of total dose my friend but 1-testosterone is not testosterone, One can argue that it is either DHB or a DHT depending on whether discussing it structurally or chemically. To me the notable difference from T is that it does not convert to estrogen and is more androgenic and much more anabolic than T, at least on paper

 

[Power Peptides rep]

FYI Posting only to clarify for anyone who comes across this thread and is not aware of the differences which could be come important in a program for various reasons, sides etc, too much to get into here but I'd suggest researching for anyone considering using it.

Not that it matters in this context of total dose my friend but 1-testosterone is not testosterone, One can argue that it is either DHB or a DHT depending on whether discussing it structurally or chemically. To me the notable difference from T is that it does not convert to estrogen and is more androgenic and much more anabolic than T, at least on paper

I used to just put dhb.

Someone corrected me on that, so now I put what the vial says.

 

[Goldenrod]

53 yrs old and taking almost 3g of gear per week, plus all the HGh?
Why?

You look great so no one will take away the changes in your physique (total transformation) which takes diet/training/hard work etc. but I have never noticed where you wrote your height or caloric intake. You listed macros but not calories (or I just missed it) which make a big difference especially with an incredible amount of PED's. You could be 5'4 and 220-225 and that large. If around 6 feet, and 220-225 with that amount of PED's - something is missing.
Maybe I have to go back to the drawing board but I thought 1-test was DHB and is highly liver toxic - one of the injectables that is known to be hard on the liver. Power Peptides rep / @gondar1 - power peptides, you said you used to use DHB, is 1-test which you are taking now / not DHB?
The stress on the liver could be the reason for your low IGF albeit I still can't reconcile 24 IU a day and a mediocre IGF for a normal person not on HGH.

Do not take my comments as an insult as I do not mean it that way but you are most definitely jeopardizing your health and as per @superbeast - why? I know you said before your coach doesn't want you going over 1 gram but that is not much fun so you ignore his/her suggestions. You should do what you want, and my comments are only made for your health as no wants to see you have health issues.
I recall you saying you do blood work so I suspect you have a good idea where you sit today, but who knows where you will be in 2 years especially in your 50's. People do not bounce back like they did when they were 25 and taking these kind of dosages for a competition.
Each to their own - respect for the transformation but at what cost?

 

[Mfg Eng]

yes

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That is by far the lowest estrogen I have ever seen on 2.5g of test. I use 600 test 800 deca I ended up with a ton of gains and shitloads of sides after 2mths.

Way better quads than I ever had and ever will. Swatting 4 plates for a dozen, 15 some days got me no where near that. My form sucked though, I was just getting them up. Guess that was why 3 plates for good mornings and stiff leg deadlifts were pretty easy for reps.

 

[Power Peptides rep]

where you wrote your height

very first post. I am 5'11" barefoot

not calories

3500-4000 I carb cycle. I also eat more some days if I want as long as it is on my approved food list, only rule log it all.

I thought 1-test was DHB and is highly liver toxic

me too. seems to agree with me. ast 34, alt 25, ggt 16

I still can't reconcile 24 IU a day and a mediocre IGF

chase irons and luki also have low igf numbers. chase irons was on 18 iu of pharma and couldnt break 250.

I am going to waste some money on this test below and see if it is genetic.

The Genetics of GH Response

By: Type-IIx

Are You A Hypo- or Non- Responder to GH?

GHR gene polymorphisms

HGH at 4 IU daily increases IGF-1 for most, but some people are hypo- or even non- responders. This fact depends on SNPs in the growth hormone receptor (GHR) gene.

Those who are hyper-responders possess the d3-GHR polymorphism. Population variance in this gene polymorphism can be as high as 50% in some populations. For details on this, buy and read his book – Bolus: A Practical and Reference Guide for the Use of Human Growth Hormone and GH Secretagogues

But even for d3-GHR GH hyper-responders, rhGH requires 16 – 20 weeks to produce visible physique changes. That's not "slow working" – that's the actual timeline for collagen synthesis and hyperplasia.

Growth hormone stimulates hepatic IGF-1 production, which triggers satellite cell proliferation and differentiation. New muscle cell formation takes 12+ weeks. Collagen deposition in connective tissue requires 20+ weeks of elevated GH/IGF-1.

Guys run GH for 8 weeks and say "it doesn't work." You spent $2000 to barely start the adaptation process. GH effects are dose-dependent AND time-dependent – you need both a sufficient dose (4+ IU daily) and a sufficient duration (6+ months).

For actual results: 4 IU daily for 6 months minimum. Split AM/PM dosing to mimic pulsatile secretion. Add MK-677 (12.5 mg nightly) to amplify endogenous pulses. If you're not seeing results, find out whether you're d3 null in the GHR gene with genetic testing. There are at least two SNPs that 'tag' the d3-GHR (hyper-response) allele with near certainty, at least in Caucasian/European populations (and perhaps others), and that are also present on most genotyping chips.

These SNPs, shown below with the tagging (minor) allele correlated with the d3-GHR allele, are:
rs6873545(C); in 23andMe and other data
rs4590183(C) in ancestry dot com and other data

you are most definitely jeopardizing your health

nobody was batting an eye when I was snorting up Peru in my 20's. I'm kidding I do not mean to minimize your statement.

recall you saying you do blood work

full panel every four weeks, for two years now.

At someones suggestion I am going to get an echo here soon.

you ignore his/her suggestions.

during the part of the year at the end of summer to new years when I get back with my coach I will do exactly what his plan lays out.

why?

there is a lore to these amounts.

I want to know for myself what it does.

some people talk about things. I try things and document my experience.

 

[Power Peptides rep]

full body 4/17

chest fly 4pps x 25
back supported pullover 80x20
converging chest press 4pps x 17
pull-up 9
chest supported row 4pps x 16
dip machine 4pps x 10
barbell row 350x10
db shoulder press 35x20
ez bar curl 25x25
hatfield squat 702.5x1, 650x2, 350x20
leg press 500x20
leg extension 100x25
leg curl 100x25

macros: P 184, C 975, F 26
steps: 27,341
cardio: 124 MIN -- HR 98
sleep: 2 hours -- myair 0
bw: 227.6
bp: 104/56 -- 62
bg_fstd--bg_fed: 68 -- 76

285 mg sus
50 mg eq
60 mg 1-test c
20 iu somatropin
20 mg cardarine
5 mg tadalafil
25 mcg t3
150 mcg t4
1800 mg nac
20 mg isotretinoin
6g fish oil
40mg melatonin
10k iu + 200mcg d3/k2
2.8 g Potassium Citrate Powder
5 g Polyethylene Glycol 3350
1575 mg dandelion extract

 

[gondar1]

Maybe I have to go back to the drawing board but I thought 1-test was DHB and is highly liver toxic - one of the injectables that is known to be hard on the liver. Power Peptides rep / @gondar1 - power peptides, you said you used to use DHB, is 1-test which you are taking now / not DHB?

Nah, you were at the right drawing board already.

As I mentioned the context in a discussion of this stuff is important. At the level that us meatheads talk about it I'd say DHB is the easiest and least confusing term to use. If I may speak for him what he said was "I used to just put dhb" which I think meant that's what he formerly called it when writing about it.

To be a bit more clear 1-testosterone and DHB are the same thing - 17β-hydroxy-5α-androst-1-en-3-one. M1T/Methyl-1-Testosterone is the oral version. MLB made some prohormones for it famous.
DHT comes into the conversation because DHB/1-Testosterone/dihydroboldenone/δ1-dihydrotestosterone can be derived from both Boldenone/Equipoise and DHT/5α-dihydrotestosterone/stanolone/etc. (holy fuck try to spell some of those without copypasta lol)

For some reason, probably because of how they learned about it, some nerds like to argue about what it should be called. When I was younger and more of a nerd I had/joined a long drawn out internet arguement on a different kind of forum about it. Guys were argueing about what to call it and I being the only one not claiming to be highly educated in such things took the position that it was all the same stuff. The other dudes were all emotional about it and the importance of correct naming, I kept saying "It doesn't matter how it got there, what's in the vial? Call it anything you want that is true"

TLDR - Same shit, lots of different names.

 

[Power Peptides rep]

which I think meant that's what he formerly called it when writing about it.

thats exactly it.

and someone came along to tell me it's not dhb. thats a different thing. you use 1-test cyp.

since thats what the vial says I changed it in my log.

 

[Mfg Eng]

nobody was batting an eye when I was snorting up Peru in my 20's. I'm kidding I do not mean to minimize your statement.

Devil with the white dress on! They used to call my best friend The Chef