About as helpful as you posting about how many times you spank it and the size of your loads ffs
Blast and Cruise vs PCT
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Did you find your gains are better coming off vs staying on a low dose of test? What's your PCT protocol like if you don't mind me asking?
Thats interesting. I've heard of some people doing HCG monotherapy and making good progress post cycle too. I'll consider trying this for the next 4 weeks.
Come to think about it after my first cycle HCG felt almost like dbol the way it came on so strong. Mind you i was using 1500iu E3D or something like that. Pretty aggressive PCT protocol and i find i dont quite need that much. 250-500iu EOD tapered down as i go for 2 weeks usually does the trick.
I feel better on 500mg of test that’s my trt dose you wimps, it’s just semantics. 
Seriously, I go off everything and pct. Life sucks for a period of time and then your brain just re-adjusts to being normal.
Seriously, I go off everything and pct. Life sucks for a period of time and then your brain just re-adjusts to being normal.
I have a buddy who’s script is 400 mg a week. Yes, from a doctor.I feel better on 500mg of test that’s my trt dose you wimps, it’s just semantics.
Seriously, I go off everything and pct. Life sucks for a period of time and then your brain just re-adjusts to being normal.
Now that's what I'm talking about.
I cruise on 250 for ease of dosing, but somehow a little Var or Winny seem to fall into my daily vitamins, so call it what you will
Now see 400mg would be a cycle for most. But to my point about trt dosages its completely unique. 200-250mg feels pretty good for me not doctor prescribed though. For someone else that would put them over the reference range.
What im really curious about is if there is there is any noticable difference in the effectiveness of other compounds on a blast for guys that go back down strictly to their trt dosage vs if they were to come off and pct then blast.
Likely not. Trt would be natural levels.
I wouldn't think so either. It seems for the most part these days people blast and cruise and they claim there's no ill effect to their progress so I guess it doesn't matter.
The old school guys are against it though so I'm not sure what to believe quite honestly, i end up doing a bit of both in the end.
Well personally when I go to trt I notice I lose the fullness and feel normal.
Even if I just do something simple like add on 100 mg of primo, I feel the difference. I feel more pumped up.
I bet people feel as though they gain more by stopping completely then going back in cycle because when they lose all their test until it restarts, they get a big dip, so the difference once back on cycle seems larger.
There is no crap feeling when you just go back to trt other than the loss of the oomph of being on cycle.
I also bet maybe it’s more dramatic because they train harder on cycle to make the most out of it, where on trt you think, I got lots of time, I can just jump back on, we’ll because I’m injecting anyways.
Personally if I was younger and only cycling once a year or twice in short 8 week cycles, I would come off.
Once you hit mid 40’s or 50’s unless you are a genetic freak, can’t see why you’d go off to feel like crap. I can’t see how it would be easier on your body to have too much test, then low test, then back to too much test. Either end of the spectrum isn’t really good, so you really have no time where you body is just floating along all happy.
I can totally see that. Maybe they lost some size being off but going back on the body is totally fresh and the body quickly readapts and then overcompensates even more and gives the person a more profound effect than cruising then blasting. The question then becomes how much more of an effect was it? Its hard to measure. But like you said for a true trt dose its probably not much different than coming off totally and without the rollercoaster of hormones and emotions.
Being that I'm 30 now and i dont have kids yet, i still want to preserve fertility by getting my testicles up and working 100% so at the very least I'll do some HCG monotherapy.
Once im older it'll probably be trt for me anyways. I feel pretty good being off emotionally and everything and I don't lose much so I'll continue to do that as long as i can.
Thanks for the insight @Sorbate
At your age I would totally come off. Then cycle.
Trt is great for us older guys, but if your body is still able to rebound, it is far better at balancing estrogen/test ratios, plus other things that happen when your body releases the hormones to have everything work. I think Lh and fsh has other effects on our bodies and on trt you miss out on that. How much of an effect, who knows, I can’t come off and rebound now to be able to tell, lol.
It is a pain in the ass to get trt down pat. Either you have too much estrogen, or you keep the test too low to stop that from happening and that isn’t good either.
I have found the best mimic so far is prop eod, but it sucks to pin eod for life.
Or a bit of primo with ethnate works as well, but when I’m on trt, well I’m giving my body a break, so I want just trt test.
I have also taken Adex once in a while when I feel the estrogen creep. How do I tell, wood isn’t as good, and I actually feel more emotional. But then you go thru a low estrogen period, so it’s a flip flop.
This is why I suck it up and do prop, lol.
Anyhow this is just my experience, but my moral to this story is, stay natural between blasts as long as you can. Then when it goes to shit, screwing with the above mentioned items is still better than low test sides.
BTW HCG mono therapy is a great idea IMO
I totally hear you on getting trt right. God is it a pain in the ass. I tried sustanon at one point 2 years a go that worked pretty good. 150mg test e + a bit of hcg was also ok. But still not quite right. I suppose it never will be as good as a fully functioning healthy system. Probably in part because as you mentioned, LH and FSH carry out different tasks. The other being the ester of the test being used.
CDG and DIM work great for estrogen control for me. I take them twice daily and i avoid the arimidex. Arimidex is another thing that i agree is difficult to dose and i dont like the ups and downs.
I wish i could experiment a bit more and get it just right but i want to go back on cycle in a month so ill try doing HCG monotherapy for the next 4 weeks. Basically cruised for 2 months, monotherapy for 1 month. Got a head start on my cut and i look and feel healthy. I guess this way i satisfy the cruise camp and the PCT crowd. I dont see the point in completely crashing my test to zero. Lower, sure, but definitely not zero.
So a bit of an update on what I've been doing.
Currently using HCG monotherapy @1000iu EOD. Now this is it. Sex drive is back to normal, semen volume back to normal, overall vitality and well being is great. I may lower my dosage as now I'm pretty sure my testicles are up to speed, time will tell, for now I'll keep doing this.
TRT could never replicate this. Maybe low dose test plus HCG would be similar? Still, if you have a functional pair of testicles this is the route to go imo.
Definitely more expensive to do monotherapy but I will go this route between cycles without a doubt. Should I want to come completely off I'd just taper the HCG and skip the clomid and/or nolva. I've done this in the past and it's worked just fine, maybe throw a test booster product in too.
Currently using HCG monotherapy @1000iu EOD. Now this is it. Sex drive is back to normal, semen volume back to normal, overall vitality and well being is great. I may lower my dosage as now I'm pretty sure my testicles are up to speed, time will tell, for now I'll keep doing this.
TRT could never replicate this. Maybe low dose test plus HCG would be similar? Still, if you have a functional pair of testicles this is the route to go imo.
Definitely more expensive to do monotherapy but I will go this route between cycles without a doubt. Should I want to come completely off I'd just taper the HCG and skip the clomid and/or nolva. I've done this in the past and it's worked just fine, maybe throw a test booster product in too.
I have a couple questions for you if you don't mind brother, how long were you on everything including low dose test? And is clomid really needed if coming right off? I'm going to drop my trt and just do 1500iu hcg each week. I've never been off before though, am I going to be pretty much a woman for a few weeks? No libido, fatigue lethargy etc..I just don't know if I should pay my doc for another appointment just to say I'm dropping trt and see if his protocol and regiment would be different or if he'd say just stick with the same dose of hcg and giver
I did a cycle for a little less than 4 months. Then cut everything out went to 250mg test c/ week then dropped down to 200mg test c/ week. Test only was for 2 months. I'll continue for the next 2 weeks or so with HCG monotherapy for a total of 3 months "off". Then I'll decide if I want to do another cycle again.
You've never done a PCT before? Hmm, I think if you phase out the test while you introduce HCG you will find that the transition is fairly smooth. I think you may see what I'm saying about how I feel without test. I've always come off so I know I feel when off, and it's heaps better than TRT. I think TRT doesn't have a strong enough effect on DHT that's why semen volume is decreased. Lower sex drive = less semen volume makes sense. Finasteride lowers semen volume too. Why would I want to get rid of something (semen) if I don't have enough of it. Possibly why some like primo, mast or proviron on TRT. Proviron interestingly is prescribed for fertility. And I noticed on cycle my semen volume is normal, but TRT is less.
Anyhow sorry for rambling with my bro-science. I think should you have normal testicular function you will be just fine and if anything you might even feel better. I'd start the HCG while on TRT and ramp up as your exogenous test leaves your body. Plus this way you don't have the testicles aching from a huge influx of the HCG as they plump up to size. I know you were talking about fertility, so I suppose you would need either clomid or HMG to use as an analogue for FSH, obviously HCG covers LH.
Thanks man. I'm surprised my doc didn't perscrib or mention clomid I asked for it in my original email to him. He may want to wait it out and do blood work before throwing other things in. Much appreciated brother