Blast and Cruise vs PCT

Bigbear said:
Thanks man. I'm surprised my doc didn't perscrib or mention clomid I asked for it in my original email to him. He may want to wait it out and do blood work before throwing other things in. Much appreciated brother
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Anytime brother. I think a lot of docs honestly don't understand this stuff all too well to be honest. It seems as though HCG alone with TRT yields a sufficient result for most people to be fertile so I can see why they don't do anything else. Once, again with wishing you the best of luck👍
 
CoolRick said:
So a bit of an update on what I've been doing.

Currently using HCG monotherapy @1000iu EOD. Now this is it. Sex drive is back to normal, semen volume back to normal, overall vitality and well being is great. I may lower my dosage as now I'm pretty sure my testicles are up to speed, time will tell, for now I'll keep doing this.

TRT could never replicate this. Maybe low dose test plus HCG would be similar? Still, if you have a functional pair of testicles this is the route to go imo.

Definitely more expensive to do monotherapy but I will go this route between cycles without a doubt. Should I want to come completely off I'd just taper the HCG and skip the clomid and/or nolva. I've done this in the past and it's worked just fine, maybe throw a test booster product in too.
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I have seen on your tube vids by hrt doctors that if you get everything back with hcg, you likely don’t need clomid.

Personally if I was ever to come off, hcg for a long duration with no test, then I would taper that and come off.

The pituitary glad from what I heard doesn’t need a warming up period. I guess it will start firing right away, it’s your testicles that atrophy and take time to come back.

But that’s you tube, so who knows how true it is. I believe Dr. Rand was one that had mentioned this.
 
Sorbate said:
I have seen on your tube vids by hrt doctors that if you get everything back with hcg, you likely don’t need clomid.

Personally if I was ever to come off, hcg for a long duration with no test, then I would taper that and come off.

The pituitary glad from what I heard doesn’t need a warming up period. I guess it will start firing right away, it’s your testicles that atrophy and take time to come back.

But that’s you tube, so who knows how true it is. I believe Dr. Rand was one that had mentioned this.
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The exception to no clomid would be fertility I would think, since it does stimulate FSH, but thats been superseded by HMG. But I agree, no need for clomid or HMG on HCG monotherapy or coming off for that matter. There used to be clomid monotherapy but it's obsolete these days. Someone out there probably said to themselves "if one is good, then if I use both it will be better".

I've noticed this in myself. By getting them up to speed then tapering off the HCG it's like coaxing the body to turn on. I did this and bam i was back to morning wood etc even after 2 weeks of no shots in very very short order. Like you said the pituitary doesnt need much time to sort things out. IMO adding in clomid and nolva is just more confusion for the body. Less is more in my mind when it comes to coming off.
 
CoolRick said:
Some people need a legit 200mg+. 150mg/ week split into two shots I felt worse than being off tbh. Around 200-250mg still isnt quite like being natural but its pretty close for me.

Anyhow, like you said, semantics.
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That’s me to a T. 125/week I felt lethargic. 250/week I feel good.
 
Musclemaker said:
That’s me to a T. 125/week I felt lethargic. 250/week I feel good.
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Same here, not quite as good as monotherapy but not bad either. Sustanon at 200mg/ week for test only TRT was the best I found. Test plus HCG was similar to sustanon.

Makes me wonder now WTF i was doing taking 250mg of test E for my first cycle😂
 


An interesting video on the topic. Having tried both, I can safely for myself coming off is superior to blast and cruise.
 
In general I always do HCG while on cycle. So doing monotherapy only for pct or just while off a few months would mean I'd never be off HCG. I'd think if we're talking androgen receptor down regulation as a reason to come off AAS. Then there's a case to come off HCG too. Unless not on during cycle.

I always heard for Pct you don't start anything for at least 2 to 3 weeks after your last shot of an enanthate ester. Reason being our system won't properly restart with the synthetic test still in us. Once it's out. 3 weeks of fairly high HCG to kick start then 4 weeks of clomid and nolva. The clomid had a specific reason, and the nolva I think was at least partly to combat estro rebound and gyno. If it was suppressed during cycle. That was my general understanding of a real full pct.

I've come completely off before for months after a pct and also without any pct. For me, honestly, I feel great when I come off. I find usually when I come off I'm ready. I've pushed, dug in, and my system just needs it. All in the head? I dunno. Same with when I think of coming off, I kinda dread losing that focus and fullness but once I do it, it's fine.

The only thing I noticed really is without the pct my libido did suffer a bit when off. Everything else though was good. Kept food and training near the same, got tad softer but mindset and workouts were great. But then you start to miss that extra umphf and go back on after a couple months.

So, op all this to say I haven't yet blasted and cruised, but so far I find I almost need to come off. Mentally and physically, at a certain point. Wether it helps receptors or not. If it makes me feel refreshed then for now that's how I plan to keep doing it. Will the time come when I b and c? I'd say most likely at some point yes. But not quite yet. I just like or need that break at a certain point.
 
Darkstalker said:
Do you go trt after blasting or completely off ? And do you use hcg year round ?
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I like to kind of taper everything down. So typically ill drop all compounds and do say 200mg test/ week for 4-6 weeks, then drop the test for 1 week and introduce HCG for 2 weeks or so and I then pyramid down my HCG. By doing this i seem to turn on all on my own and i can skip the nolvadex or clomid.

I don't run HCG all year round, my balls don't really shrink tbh.
 
backintime said:
In general I always do HCG while on cycle. So doing monotherapy only for pct or just while off a few months would mean I'd never be off HCG. I'd think if we're talking androgen receptor down regulation as a reason to come off AAS. Then there's a case to come off HCG too. Unless not on during cycle.

I always heard for Pct you don't start anything for at least 2 to 3 weeks after your last shot of an enanthate ester. Reason being our system won't properly restart with the synthetic test still in us. Once it's out. 3 weeks of fairly high HCG to kick start then 4 weeks of clomid and nolva. The clomid had a specific reason, and the nolva I think was at least partly to combat estro rebound and gyno. If it was suppressed during cycle. That was my general understanding of a real full pct.

I've come completely off before for months after a pct and also without any pct. For me, honestly, I feel great when I come off. I find usually when I come off I'm ready. I've pushed, dug in, and my system just needs it. All in the head? I dunno. Same with when I think of coming off, I kinda dread losing that focus and fullness but once I do it, it's fine.

The only thing I noticed really is without the pct my libido did suffer a bit when off. Everything else though was good. Kept food and training near the same, got tad softer but mindset and workouts were great. But then you start to miss that extra umphf and go back on after a couple months.

So, op all this to say I haven't yet blasted and cruised, but so far I find I almost need to come off. Mentally and physically, at a certain point. Wether it helps receptors or not. If it makes me feel refreshed then for now that's how I plan to keep doing it. Will the time come when I b and c? I'd say most likely at some point yes. But not quite yet. I just like or need that break at a certain point.
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I haven't blasted and cruised either, not perpetually anyway. I found for myself as I mentioned in my previous post i do a bit of everything. In some ways so i can satisfy both camps lol. Staying on HCG wouldn't still be endogenous test you just don't let the HPTA take over. Since the whole point was to go back on your own supply to resensitize I dont really see the difference.

The truth is blood work will return to normal faster coming off everything completely. I agree with you, something about coming off completely makes me feel "fresh". After a few weeks like that I'll be ready to go back on anyways.

My libido doesnt seem to suffer too much, I have very little down time turning back on, at least in the past. Just dropping back down to 200mg/ week with 25mg of proviron, my balls are back to normal size. I felt them ache a bit as they did, just like when I use HCG. I guess I'm pretty lucky in that regard.
 
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