What is everyone's injection frequency on TRT??

100mg/wk test cyp every sunday night with .5 anastrozole.

Feel good till thursday-friday when my mood and energy dips. Next round of bloods is in a week to check levels. Been on current dose for 8 weeks.
 
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I was running 50e3d, bumped it up to 55e3 and felt a lot better, but then I took 3.25mg of aromasin and crashed my E2. It's been 4 weeks, and in that time I switched to 100e6, but felt far too out of whack to maintain. By day 5 I felt like crap. I was going to try 100e5, but I don't trust my e2 sensitivity. Switched to 70e4, and I feel like I'm low. But, my junk looks like I'm high. I know I'm just out of balance, or a bit high b/c mood is decent, but my head is foggy, and I have anxiety in the morning which subsides as the day goes, whereas if I'm low my anxiety gets worse as the day progresses. Drive to exercise is poor as well, although I'm fairly strong. Mood is decent, but nothing great. Focus is ok, but again, nothing great. My one gripe with trt is every time I change a dosing protocol my libido is always the last thing to return, going on 3 weeks now.

The one thing I has was heavy water dumps. Like, the pillow and sheets would be soaked. Since dropping to 70e4 I haven't had it, but it's a sign of high e2 for me.

@Sorbate I've been toying with the idea of adding primo as well. I have heard of some guys who lowered their e2 with primo, as well as mast or anavar. I'm not about to mess around with Masteron as I'm likely to crash my E2. What I really need is about 6months of consistency without any ai, so I can heal my body's ability to manage e2 on its own. The last time I was ai free for a couple months I felt great. As soon as I start messing with aromasin I end up fucking myself up. At this point I'd rather run 50e3 than risk having to take any ai at all. I recall feeling really good on 60e3.5. But, I did like e3 for stability.
Have you ever thought of daily injections with test prop or test cyp? I ask because a lot of guys from that excellmale forum seem to be big on doing daily injections. A lot of them report less estrogen sides, water retention and other side effects seen on twice weekly, EOD, or once a week injections.
 
Have you ever thought of daily injections with test prop or test cyp? I ask because a lot of guys from that excellmale forum seem to be big on doing daily injections. A lot of them report less estrogen sides, water retention and other side effects seen on twice weekly, EOD, or once a week injections.
I have no desire to inject daily. I've read the forum, but don't agree b/c I've read of plenty of guys who although they feel more stable on eod or ed, their libido is weaker, and they don't have the edge you get from less frequent shot, due to lower dht. I was at e3 for a while, but I'm going to add back in the extra half day for a bit more volatility. That said, I was on eod for 5 weeks, and I did feel very good. Everything except libido. Plus, my shbg tends to sit in the 40s, so there's no real need to inject that frequently.

I figure my water dump was leveling, but I took 3mg of aromasin last night b/c of the anxiety and shitty attitude. So far I feel more calm, but yesterday was my injection day, and I notice the full effects of aromasin about 3-4 days after I take it. That said, I should aromatize enough to be in a better place in the next couple days. Going forward I will either stick at 60e3.5 for a while, or drop back to 50e3d.
 
100mg/wk test cyp every sunday night with .5 anastrozole.

Feel good till thursday-friday when my mood and energy dips. Next round of bloods is in a week to check levels. Been on current dose for 8 weeks.

Have thought thught about doing 2x a week to avoid the energy dip?

I'd rather feel ressonable all week then feel predictably low for a day or two
 
Have thought thught about doing 2x a week to avoid the energy dip?

I'd rather feel ressonable all week then feel predictably low for a day or two

I couldn't manage once a week. Big dht spike at the beginning, and by day 5 or 6 I was desperate to inject. But, I do know guys who swear by once/wk. I believe they usually shoot a bit more though.
 
I just had my first pay out of pocket consultaton with private clinic.

They insisted anyone who is given testoserone also takes arimidex. They said no one should ever be given the TRT scipt without an anti e.

I did ask why would someone need it if their estrogen levels are good? Why would someone need it if they don't have high estrogen sides? Why would anyone on TRT also take the anti e unless blood work shows they need it seeings how low estrogen in men causes some nasty sides that almost mirror low test symptos? I asked why can I not spread my injections over 3 tiems a week to keep my estrogen lower without another med that I don't need?

They never gave me answers to these and fell back to their stance with their patients is any on TRT needs to take anti E.

The lady also asked me why was I dong 3x a week injections and not once a week.. I told her "because spreading it out keeps my peak lower and hterefore less likely that I start converting testosterone to estrogen".. Her response was an emotional "No! The opposite happens!!!"... Again, couldn't explain how that could possibly be the case when I asked her to explain it.

Don't mean to hi-jack the thread.. But I am starting arimdex at their recomended dosing with is 1.0mg once a week on the same day I do my shot and I do my shots once a week now.


Same lady said most guys prefer to once a week to "feel that big boost".. I told her I never felt a big boost on TRT at any point other than when I first started I felt it kciking in over a couple weeks, but no never a "big boost" after doing any injection. She told me I should feel a big boost.. I coutnered with "well if you set your self up for a big boost then you are also setting yourself up for a low.. I'd rather feel medium all the way".. Her reply was I should do it 2times a week then...

I know some guys say they feel a boost from once a week, but I just never did... I can't see with cyp that happening.. I known it starts working right away, but I never thgouth or believed it would hit you hard enough to feel it.. But again, I have real life friends who say they feel it the next day.
UGH...i had a similar issue with TRT Clinic near me a bunch of years ago (that is why i work with my GP and a US clinic now). That said once i actually got to talk to the Dr and not the nurse it was mostly fine.

Their philosophy is fine....Maximize free test up near the limit of 750 and keep E2 low. Their methodology to get there i don't agree with as one size does not fit all. You have to remember that the majority of their clients are middle aged fat guys and so it likely works for those folks. there basic protocol is 100mg test per week (once or twice), and adex (.25 - 1.0). I tried it and crashed my E2, after that i dropped the Adex and the Dr was ok. The good thing about the TRT clinics is they believe in Testosterone so they will work with you and not panic when a marker gets a little out of range.

Maybe ask to see a different nurse practitioner? Or, they are suppose to ask if you would like to talk to the Dr prescribing the meds, talk to the Dr.

PS - I feel ZERO difference between once and twice per week. I believe twice is better for you so i do that. If i had the energy i would inject EOD but i have mixed feelings about over-lapping 1/2 lives.
 
UGH...i had a similar issue with TRT Clinic near me a bunch of years ago (that is why i work with my GP and a US clinic now). That said once i actually got to talk to the Dr and not the nurse it was mostly fine.

Their philosophy is fine....Maximize free test up near the limit of 750 and keep E2 low. Their methodology to get there i don't agree with as one size does not fit all. You have to remember that the majority of their clients are middle aged fat guys and so it likely works for those folks. there basic protocol is 100mg test per week (once or twice), and adex (.25 - 1.0). I tried it and crashed my E2, after that i dropped the Adex and the Dr was ok. The good thing about the TRT clinics is they believe in Testosterone so they will work with you and not panic when a marker gets a little out of range.

Maybe ask to see a different nurse practitioner? Or, they are suppose to ask if you would like to talk to the Dr prescribing the meds, talk to the Dr.

PS - I feel ZERO difference between once and twice per week. I believe twice is better for you so i do that. If i had the energy i would inject EOD but i have mixed feelings about over-lapping 1/2 lives.
When I did eod I found I required less test b/c of the overlapping half lives. There's something about keeping your test high that I don't believe is a natural state, that is unless you have very low SHBG. Then it's metabolized very quickly. I tried 30eod and was well over the high end for TT and FT. I was also sitting around 750 for my FT. My E2 seemed to stay low so there's that, but if I were to do it again I would start at 25mg eod and move up if necessary. I did feel really good, lots of energy and my focus was great. Maybe I'll give it a go some time again in the future. Ride it out longer to fully appreciate the effects.
 
When I say drop my script I should clarify.. I mean flat out tell the doc how much better I am on 150mg and he can either monitor me and fill my script for 100mg and I top it up to 150 OR I stop going to him all together..

My appoint is tomorrow.. with a private clinic.
That’s the way to go, Private clinic .
 
Have you ever thought of daily injections with test prop or test cyp? I ask because a lot of guys from that excellmale forum seem to be big on doing daily injections. A lot of them report less estrogen sides, water retention and other side effects seen on twice weekly, EOD, or once a week injections.
Prop IMO is different that cyp or ethanate.
I have a theory on why when you inject prop eod why your estrogen levels are lower and it’s because of the spike and faster clearance.
With ethnate if you inject daily, you overall test level will always be higher and have more test to convert.
Plus we only have so much atromatase at one time to convert.

Ok for the sake of simplicity.

Lets say it take aromatase 24 hours to convert 10 test.

Now your body starts to convert more test after you levels get higher than 200.

With ethnate

You inject it ed or eod, now your test levels are always at 210, so now your body is always converting test into estrogen 24 hours a day, so by weeks end you have converted 70 test.


with prop

You inject eod

Day after injection, test levels are 300. But your body can only convert 10 test in 24 hours. By next day your test levels are 200, so you convert no test on the second day. So in a week you only covert 35 test instead of 70.

I know I way over simplified this, but it is also why I believe while on trt we convert more test than we do naturally, well because naturally our levels fluctuate because our body is not a super tight control system, so by the time you balls are not getting the signal to turn on, it takes a bit beg they stop producing, an overshoot. Same as different situations will effect your levels. So numerous times thruout the week you will be below the threshold to convert. Where on trt, no outside influences control our test, so we have a higher level at all times on ethnate, or cyp. But prop simulates natural production a bit more (well not really but way closer than ethnate/cyp)

This is why I believe 1 injection of ethnate a week will have your estrogen levels lower as well.

For 4 days you may be over the 200 threshold, then 3 days below.

I hope I explained what I am saying properly. I can understand it in my head, but typing it out is different, lol.
 
Prop IMO is different that cyp or ethanate.
I have a theory on why when you inject prop eod why your estrogen levels are lower and it’s because of the spike and faster clearance.
With ethnate if you inject daily, you overall test level will always be higher and have more test to convert.
Plus we only have so much atromatase at one time to convert.

Ok for the sake of simplicity.

Lets say it take aromatase 24 hours to convert 10 test.

Now your body starts to convert more test after you levels get higher than 200.

With ethnate

You inject it ed or eod, now your test levels are always at 210, so now your body is always converting test into estrogen 24 hours a day, so by weeks end you have converted 70 test.


with prop

You inject eod

Day after injection, test levels are 300. But your body can only convert 10 test in 24 hours. By next day your test levels are 200, so you convert no test on the second day. So in a week you only covert 35 test instead of 70.

I know I way over simplified this, but it is also why I believe while on trt we convert more test than we do naturally, well because naturally our levels fluctuate because our body is not a super tight control system, so by the time you balls are not getting the signal to turn on, it takes a bit beg they stop producing, an overshoot. Same as different situations will effect your levels. So numerous times thruout the week you will be below the threshold to convert. Where on trt, no outside influences control our test, so we have a higher level at all times on ethnate, or cyp. But prop simulates natural production a bit more (well not really but way closer than ethnate/cyp)

This is why I believe 1 injection of ethnate a week will have your estrogen levels lower as well.

For 4 days you may be over the 200 threshold, then 3 days below.

I hope I explained what I am saying properly. I can understand it in my head, but typing it out is different, lol.
I believe you are correct with the once/wk shot. I recently tried once/wk injections, and I don't think I was shooting enough as I found myself lagging on day 5&6.
If you plot is on steroid calc it supports your theory. The troughs are noticeably higher, and you have two peaks, which are not significantly lower, so you have an overall higher serum level, which would equate to more continuous aromatization.
 
I believe you are correct with the once/wk shot. I recently tried once/wk injections, and I don't think I was shooting enough as I found myself lagging on day 5&6.
If you plot is on steroid calc it supports your theory. The troughs are noticeably higher, and you have two peaks, which are not significantly lower, so you have an overall higher serum level, which would equate to more continuous aromatization.
I used to do 2 times a week or more, but have really tired of injecting all teh time, so for the last 3 months its been once a week and I feel great.
Mind you I am only doing 125 mg of test and 50 mg of primo a week.

Maybe trying adding on a bit of something else like primo and see how you react.
 
I'm now doing around 2-3 injection per week but not evenly, can be 2.5 to 4 days inbetween and don't use the same amount, it can be 45mg, 50mg, 60mg per pin.
Can't reproduce what the body do, but trying not to be too stable too as an experience and it seems to work great for me.
 
I'm now doing around 2-3 injection per week but not evenly, can be 2.5 to 4 days inbetween and don't use the same amount, it can be 45mg, 50mg, 60mg per pin.
Can't reproduce what the body do, but trying not to be too stable too as an experience and it seems to work great for me.
Interesting I'm usually trying to keep mine as stable. I get less acne if I keep it as even as possible.
 
I'm now doing around 2-3 injection per week but not evenly, can be 2.5 to 4 days inbetween and don't use the same amount, it can be 45mg, 50mg, 60mg per pin.
Can't reproduce what the body do, but trying not to be too stable too as an experience and it seems to work great for me.
Pretty much what I’ve been doing for the last couple years or so. Difference for me is far less pinning in a week, the shortest time between pins is 4 days and the longest is 9 to 10 days, volume is never the same I constantly switch it up. I keep a journal that way I can refer back. I don’t have bloods to back me up but one things for sure, the older I’ve gotten the more sensitive I’ve become to estrogen, the lump under the nip was always there but since changing up my pinning schedule it has completely disappeared.

I have added low dose tren recently which I keep on an even schedule, every other day. I’m not prepared to do the same with tren like I do with test. If someone out there has I’d be interested in hearing about it. I’d experiment myself but I’m in the zone now after a couple years of struggling with training and not willing to test the waters, somewhere down the road I will for sure.
 
Every 2 weeks test undeconate
With this type of injection frequency, do you experience an initial peak in testosterone levels shortly after the injection followed by a sharp decrease in testosterone levels at the end of two weeks?
Do you experience any sides from this injection frequency?
 
Pretty much what I’ve been doing for the last couple years or so. Difference for me is far less pinning in a week, the shortest time between pins is 4 days and the longest is 9 to 10 days, volume is never the same I constantly switch it up. I keep a journal that way I can refer back. I don’t have bloods to back me up but one things for sure, the older I’ve gotten the more sensitive I’ve become to estrogen, the lump under the nip was always there but since changing up my pinning schedule it has completely disappeared.

I have added low dose tren recently which I keep on an even schedule, every other day. I’m not prepared to do the same with tren like I do with test. If someone out there has I’d be interested in hearing about it. I’d experiment myself but I’m in the zone now after a couple years of struggling with training and not willing to test the waters, somewhere down the road I will for sure.
Same thing here, seems to have less problem with my estrogen sensivity by doing it like this. I also had time where i would do only 1 in a week also between normal week just to imbalance everything hahaha, but most of the time i still keep it under 5 days between pins.

But when i add other compound i keep it steady, easier to manage estrogen more precisely.
I would not mess with uneven tren pinning yet hahaha
 
With this type of injection frequency, do you experience an initial peak in testosterone levels shortly after the injection followed by a sharp decrease in testosterone levels at the end of two weeks?
Do you experience any sides from this injection frequency?
No, test undeconate is a much long ester
 
Every 2 weeks test undeconate
Hey @Cheapshot - when you switched to that ester how long did it take for you to fell 'level' for lack of a better adjective. Do you mind me asking which ester you switched from to undecanoate? That beats prop which I prefer which is EOD especially considering I use injectable curcumin, BCP, and CBD oil. Even with low amounts of test, I'm still injecting frequently.
Appreciate any incite.
 
Hey @Cheapshot - when you switched to that ester how long did it take for you to fell 'level' for lack of a better adjective. Do you mind me asking which ester you switched from to undecanoate? That beats prop which I prefer which is EOD especially considering I use injectable curcumin, BCP, and CBD oil. Even with low amounts of test, I'm still injecting frequently.
Appreciate any incite.
I honestly don't know if I ever level out. Im always adding something or changing the dose. The plan is stay at 280 every 2 weeks for at least 10 months and get bloodwork
 
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