Tren and sleep...

Follow up, test take some time to build up in the system, enanthate anyway...

How long before you start seeing sides of Tren E? Not too worried about the benefits, as I know they will come shortly.. but sides specifically.
 
Maybe this is a stupid question, but...

We know that sleep and diet are both extremely important aspects (and arguably the most important) when it comes to growing muscle.

I have read enough posts from members here to wonder something. If Tren is so dastardly to a sleep schedule, some claiming only 3 hours of sleep a night, is it just such a powerful compound that it can overcome the lost growth from lack of sleep?
You will receive multiple opinions but tren is the most potent/toxic injectable, and also one of the most potentially physique change drugs available. It is neurotoxic which seems to be ignored, and I know a few top tier BBers who pretty much take tren year round with short breaks, and they have significantly changed in personality.
It isn't worth my health, sleep, time in jail, or how it makes me feel. Yes, it would be dose dependent - only makes sense but I used micro doses per week. I really mean micro dosing and I could not sleep more than a few hours. No impact to my diet. The biggest issue was anger over things that don't get me worked up. I still have some left over and will be throwing it out.
This is not a gate keeper message - some people use it (look great/watch their bloods, etc.) who know what they are doing, but I am more conservative than they are and I have a very bad temper (just takes a very long time to push me there/Trenbolone put me there in seconds).
Two anger blasts and I stopped the next day plus the lack of sleep was putting me in a bad mood to begine with. As @Sorbate said - if you have a significant other ask them to tell you if you are changing, they may see it and you don't.
To anyone who uses tren - this is not an anti-tren post, it simply isn't for me.
 
You will receive multiple opinions but tren is the most potent/toxic injectable, and also one of the most potentially physique change drugs available. It is neurotoxic which seems to be ignored, and I know a few top tier BBers who pretty much take tren year round with short breaks, and they have significantly changed in personality.
It isn't worth my health, sleep, time in jail, or how it makes me feel. Yes, it would be dose dependent - only makes sense but I used micro doses per week. I really mean micro dosing and I could not sleep more than a few hours. No impact to my diet. The biggest issue was anger over things that don't get me worked up. I still have some left over and will be throwing it out.
This is not a gate keeper message - some people use it (look great/watch their bloods, etc.) who know what they are doing, but I am more conservative than they are and I have a very bad temper (just takes a very long time to push me there/Trenbolone put me there in seconds).
Two anger blasts and I stopped the next day plus the lack of sleep was putting me in a bad mood to begine with. As @Sorbate said - if you have a significant other ask them to tell you if you are changing, they may see it and you don't.
To anyone who uses tren - this is not an anti-tren post, it simply isn't for me.
The biggest mental aspects that seemed to get worse as i aged was my attitude for work.
It didnt dawn on me right away but i always seem to miss more work when on a decent dose of tren. Which ofcourse is not a good thing. I just didnt want to be there.
Tren e was worse for this. Tren ace mon/wed/fri at 25-50 each and i was fine
 
You will receive multiple opinions but tren is the most potent/toxic injectable, and also one of the most potentially physique change drugs available. It is neurotoxic which seems to be ignored, and I know a few top tier BBers who pretty much take tren year round with short breaks, and they have significantly changed in personality.
It isn't worth my health, sleep, time in jail, or how it makes me feel. Yes, it would be dose dependent - only makes sense but I used micro doses per week. I really mean micro dosing and I could not sleep more than a few hours. No impact to my diet. The biggest issue was anger over things that don't get me worked up. I still have some left over and will be throwing it out.
This is not a gate keeper message - some people use it (look great/watch their bloods, etc.) who know what they are doing, but I am more conservative than they are and I have a very bad temper (just takes a very long time to push me there/Trenbolone put me there in seconds).
Two anger blasts and I stopped the next day plus the lack of sleep was putting me in a bad mood to begine with. As @Sorbate said - if you have a significant other ask them to tell you if you are changing, they may see it and you don't.
To anyone who uses tren - this is not an anti-tren post, it simply isn't for me.
The biggest mental aspects that seemed to get worse as i aged was my attitude for work.
It didnt dawn on me right away but i always seem to miss more work when on a decent dose of tren. Which ofcourse is not a good thing. I just didnt want to be there.
Tren e was worse for this. Tren ace mon/wed/fri at 25-50 each and i was fine
All great information, guys! Thanks as always!

My wife is pretty against tren lol.. test was hard enough to convince her lol
 
Alright, final question before I head off and make my decision...

I haven't had any PIP from my test, except for a small amount when I did a quad once.. but I'm all glutes now, so...

Is the PIP from mast or Tren the same, worse, or depends on the person?
 
Alright, final question before I head off and make my decision...

I haven't had any PIP from my test, except for a small amount when I did a quad once.. but I'm all glutes now, so...

Is the PIP from mast or Tren the same, worse, or depends on the person?
Personally never experienced any substantial PIP from any of those compounds. Pip tends to depend more so on the quality of manufacturing rather than the compound itself.
 
Alright, final question before I head off and make my decision...

I haven't had any PIP from my test, except for a small amount when I did a quad once.. but I'm all glutes now, so...

Is the PIP from mast or Tren the same, worse, or depends on the person?
Mast should be pip free. Tren burns as I inject it, but no pip.

If your wife is against it, don’t run it. You change, she will know.

I made a mess when I ran it.

And if you are going to run it, stay under 100mg a week and use tren ace so you can bail easier.
 
Alright, final question before I head off and make my decision...

I haven't had any PIP from my test, except for a small amount when I did a quad once.. but I'm all glutes now, so...

Is the PIP from mast or Tren the same, worse, or depends on the person?

There is a little thing called "Tren Cough" that can be very nasty so maybe it would be good to read more about that if interested.

Thank you & good luck,

OD
 
YMMV

Tren E will have me having insomnia and gnarly heartburn 2 weeks in. It happens very fast for me. Some others tolerate it well. I used to but for some reason I don’t tolerate it at all anymore
What did you do for the heartburn/gut rot feeling. How was your digestion ? Normal or off ?
 
Now I just don’t use tren. I gave it up.

The only thing that works is proton pump inhibitors like olex or prescription meds
Ya and those can be bad for ya. This past run I got it mild, so been thinking how to truly solve it. I did read it could be a PH inbalance in the stomach, that and digestion is often backed up. I found half tsp of baking soda twice per day seemed to work well. But not a true solution.
 
Ya and those can be bad for ya. This past run I got it mild, so been thinking how to truly solve it. I did read it could be a PH inbalance in the stomach, that and digestion is often backed up. I found half tsp of baking soda twice per day seemed to work well. But not a true solution.
Acid reflux rotting the lining of your oesophagus and destroying the enamel of your teeth is also a major health risk. I wouldn’t fuck with that. It can really take a toll and have long term health consequences not addressing it or trying to find home remedies that don’t do the trick.

Honestly in my dead honest opinion and after pushing my luck a few too many times, I believe if someone is fighting bad heartburn from tren they should stop. The medication to prevent issues and the damage from acid reflux is not worth the squeeze
 
Took my first shot last night, so let the shit show begin.

No PIP, no burning, no coughing. Went much smoother than I anticipated.
 
It’s all about manifestation.
If you tell yourself tren has no side effects, it will have no side effects
I've had little to no sides from anything I have taken so far. Not even mood changes.

I know Tren isn't "anything", so we shall see, but I am hoping for the best.
 
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