Time for 2nd cycle - adding deca - looking for feedback

tricks79

tricks79

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Hey Team,

It's time for my 2nd cycle. I just got my baseline bloods done today. Will probably start pinning this Sunday.

First cycle was 500mg test only. This only put my test levels at around 1050.

My plan this time is around 650mg test / week and 400mg Deca / week.

Thoughts on this dosage?

I am 6'3" and around 220lb BW, lifting for about 6 years.

Am I too high or low in one compound? Is this too aggressive for a second cycle? Any protips for taking deca for the first time?
 
i'm not a pro, but those are nice numbers you're using.

have you thought of adding anavar or winstrol for three weeks and then stopping the orals 10 days before your cycle ends?
 
Thats a perfect cycle imo for the 2nd one. I had great results with thoose exact doses. Run it at least 16 weeks. I had zero sides. All gains
 
I've stayed away from Orals to date due to the added concerns of liver toxicity.

I understand thou that people use DBol to kick start a cycle, and anavar to finish a cycle?

I'm not opposed to the idea but I will say that I am under-researched on orals.
 
Cycle look good.

Don't know why people tend to kickstart their cycle, let the compound build up, raise your cal at the same time, elevate your intensity and tweak your things in those first weeks.

Test will be fully on by 4-6 week, deca toward 6-8 weeks.

Then toward the end of your cycle if/when gain start to stall, introduce your oral in the last 4-6 weeks.
 
bebeav said:
Cycle look good.

Don't know why people tend to kickstart their cycle, let the compound build up, raise your cal at the same time, elevate your intensity and tweak your things in those first weeks.

Test will be fully on by 4-6 week, deca toward 6-8 weeks.

Then toward the end of your cycle if/when gain start to stall, introduce your oral in the last 4-6 weeks.
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Because we're all impatient waiting weeks and weeks for the test to kick in.
 
I'm kinda in the same boat as bebeav I don't understand the whole "kick start" a cycle I'd "polish" off the end of my cycle with an oral if I was going to add in an oral.
 
Treneth said:
I'm kinda in the same boat as bebeav I don't understand the whole "kick start" a cycle I'd "polish" off the end of my cycle with an oral if I was going to add in an oral.
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Would it not be best to do both provided your liver is in good shape?

For my 2nd cycle I will be using a kickstart. I feel like I'm still waiting for a kick and approaching week 6. I figure 4 weeks of Tbol at the start then 4 weeks of Var would go nicely?
 
ABMonkey said:
Would it not be best to do both provided your liver is in good shape?

For my 2nd cycle I will be using a kickstart. I feel like I'm still waiting for a kick and approaching week 6. I figure 4 weeks of Tbol at the start then 4 weeks of Var would go nicely?
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You most certainly could do that, is it best? Not sure there is a best way to run a cycle definitely go for it if you want. When I'm factoring in my goals, costs, possible negative side effects I dont feel it's worth cramming in multiple compounds at once until I start to stall in my cycle.
 
Not sur if it's the best but I'm in my first use of multiple oral during a blast.

Tbol (ended to be dbol) week 4-8 and now on anadrol week 14-18.
 
Sensible cycle imho!
I would have some caber or prami on hand in case of elevated prolactin levels. Shouldn’t be a problem at that dosage of Deca but wouldn’t hurt to have some just in case.
 
Wouldn't it make more sense to kickstart your cycle with a higher dose of Test? Run 1g/week for first 1.5 weeks?
 
Doing some reading on Anavar. So 40mg every day for 4 weeks at end of cycle.
In this case cycle is 16 weeks.
So I'd run 40mg var /ED for weeks 13-16. This sound correct babies first var dosage?

Any additional ancillaries that need to be considered on var?
 
I'd do 60 var. I don't notice much on 40, but im sure its doing something. If i go 80+ I can cramp up. 60 is a nice sweet spot, not too hard on the wallet, and you can spread it out easier over the day to keep levels up.

The Test / Deca levels look good. Have fun!

If you want to kickstart then use a short ester compound. If you load up hard in the first week or two on a long ester it still takes time to get going, and when it saturates you so fast you it can cause sides. I get big time lethargy if I do this. But I agree with the above, just let it build up and do its thing slowly.

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PS:Nothing needed for Var. Its safe enough to run solo, as a friend of mine does regularily cuz he's afraid of needles
 
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mt666tm said:
If you want to kickstart then use a short ester compound. If you load up hard in the first week or two on a long ester it still takes time to get going, and when it saturates you so fast you it can cause sides. I get big time lethargy if I do this. But I agree with the above, just let it build up and do its thing slowly.
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In future I'll order some short ester Test for 3rd cycle. But for now I'll stick with what I got. Thanks for tip.
 
tricks79 said:
Doing some reading on Anavar. So 40mg every day for 4 weeks at end of cycle.
In this case cycle is 16 weeks.
So I'd run 40mg var /ED for weeks 13-16. This sound correct babies first var dosage?

Any additional ancillaries that need to be considered on var?
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I would ve surprised if you noticed anything on 4 weeks of var
 
tricks79 said:
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First cycle was 500mg test only. This only put my test levels at around 1050.

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It would be very useful to now what type of inj schedule you were on and when this blood was drawn in relation to your last shot for this to have any useful meaning. Also best practice to include the units of measure and reference ranges, fairly simple to conclude that in this case the units are ng/dL but still best practice to say as not all compounds are so easy to distinguish.

I hope you can answer back to shed some light on this as that number indicates a serious problem in my mind unless yo were taking some crazy long intervals between shots. I was higher than that when I was young and natty......

Addressing your questions, normally I would say those doses look fine but if your test is bunk ten all bets are off....

As kickstarting and frontloading was brought up itt I will comment on that too. I've never been a fan of kickstarting with a heavy oral for the simple reason of that I don't agree with a repetitive cycle of blowing up and shrinking down which is what seems to happen to most guys with heavy oral use. It's just not for me personally but whatever floats yer boat.

I am however an advocate for frontloading with longer estered oils which seems to go against most of the other posts here. You can be at (and stay at) saturation dose with Enanthate or Cypionate in about 36 hrs from first injection if you do the math and ancillaries to limit sides can also be matched to the dose with a bit of work. Whenever I mention this I put out a very subtle challenge with the underlying message being "I think frontloading is great, can you change my mind?"

Nobody has ever come close, Imma start a new thread about that right now.

Good luck whatever you decide
 
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