Thinking about reducing my trt to my natural, pre trt levels

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So this is just me spot balling here but I've been on trt since late 2016. I'm 45 now.I mainly went on trt so that it would be easier to run a cycle once or twice a year without having to pct. I also figured the added ability to hold muscle, extra energy, well being, etc, of trt would be great.

I've tried many different doses in this time from 100 up to 225mg, with and without ai and or hcg. The main benefit has been muscle but I've always been chasing my pre trt libido and erections.I rely pretty heavily on cialis currently. My pre trt free test was 263 pmol in a 115-577 range. That's 20.4mg/dl. So a bit on the lower end. My various Trt doses have generally had me near the top of, or way past range.

I'm thinking about lowering my dose to get my levels closer to my natural levels. My logic being that at that dose, everything was in the correct equilibrium for my libido and erections to work properly. And yes, I've had many blood tests attempting to find other culprits but with no success. What's the lowest guys are running here?

Thoughts?

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I usually take a weekly shot of 100-150mg delatestryl but have noticed when i miss a shot my libido actually increases. So maybe a lower dose may work?
 
Im currently at 125. I'm thinking I might drop down to 75 and see what happens
 
I am currently on 125 per week. Haven't had blood work yet on this new dosage. I got him to increase my dosage by doing my blood work at the end of my pinning cycle (he had it at every 3 weeks but wanted blood work done 1 week after injecting.) So I was on the low end for a couple of blood works. So he kept the amount of test the same but shortened the pin frequency by a week. Not sure how this will factor out to bloods yet. First bloods on new dosage is end of Feb. If I am high I will sway I just done my pin, and likely fudge future blood works to try to make it mid range.
Since I have started doing injectable trt all of my blood work has been on underground test.
 
So this is just me spot balling here but I've been on trt since late 2016. I'm 45 now.I mainly went on trt so that it would be easier to run a cycle once or twice a year without having to pct. I also figured the added ability to hold muscle, extra energy, well being, etc, of trt would be great.

I've tried many different doses in this time from 100 up to 225mg, with and without ai and or hcg. The main benefit has been muscle but I've always been chasing my pre trt libido and erections.I rely pretty heavily on cialis currently. My pre trt free test was 263 pmol in a 115-577 range. That's 20.4mg/dl. So a bit on the lower end. My various Trt doses have generally had me near the top of, or way past range.

I'm thinking about lowering my dose to get my levels closer to my natural levels. My logic being that at that dose, everything was in the correct equilibrium for my libido and erections to work properly. And yes, I've had many blood tests attempting to find other culprits but with no success. What's the lowest guys are running here?

Thoughts?

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20.4 is not low at all, BUT it all depends when your blood is drawn to my understanding and how often you inject. If you inject once a week and your blood was drawn the day before you inject, then 20.4 is actually above the middle range to my understanding.

You'd need to give your injection day and the day you got your blood drawn to give a better idea what your levels are.

I inject 3x a week (m/w/f).. I do blood work Monday monring (I inject monday night) and my doctor and me feel good at 20-22. This is because if I am testing 20-22 at my lowest, it means every other day I'm actually above average range.

By the sounds of things, you ED has nothing to do with your test levels and more so with other hormones. I'm not the best with those, so I'll wait for someone else. Lots of guys on here who are well versed in ED causes.

Also seems like your doing this without a doctor. I'd advise against this. There is so much more to TRT then just test levels. Good doctors are hard to find, but when you find one, you are much better off and truthfully a much healthier person in the short term and more importantly in the long term.
 
Dropped down to 80mg. We shall see!
Your post reminded me to take my Monday injection... thanks!

My dose is 100mg/week. I’ve tried up to 400 and rode at 250mg for a while. 100mg/wk is best for libido, mood and muscle growth. I didn’t get more bang with the higher doses.

Having said that, I cycle a little Anavar into the mix every now and then.
 
20.4 is not low at all, BUT it all depends when your blood is drawn to my understanding and how often you inject. If you inject once a week and your blood was drawn the day before you inject, then 20.4 is actually above the middle range to my understanding.

You'd need to give your injection day and the day you got your blood drawn to give a better idea what your levels are.

I inject 3x a week (m/w/f).. I do blood work Monday monring (I inject monday night) and my doctor and me feel good at 20-22. This is because if I am testing 20-22 at my lowest, it means every other day I'm actually above average range.

By the sounds of things, you ED has nothing to do with your test levels and more so with other hormones. I'm not the best with those, so I'll wait for someone else. Lots of guys on here who are well versed in ED causes.

Also seems like your doing this without a doctor. I'd advise against this. There is so much more to TRT then just test levels. Good doctors are hard to find, but when you find one, you are much better off and truthfully a much healthier person in the short term and more importantly in the long term.
I have a doctor but it's a men's clinic. Their solution to everything is to increase dose.

I understand there is much more involved than just test, and that's why I'm doing this, to see what effect the lower test has downstream.
 
Dropped down to 80mg. We shall see!
I'm curious to know how you feel the first couple weeks. I tried dropping to 90, had low E2 symptoms after the first week and felt like shit. Increased to 100 over 3 days and irritable as f today...feels like high E2....such a fucking balancing act. One more week and I'm going back to 52mg x2, I don't have the patience for this shit. Good luck.

@animal-inside Do you find you tend to use less when injecting more frequently, b/c you never have the deeper trough levels as when injecting twice a week? How much are you taking in total? And, is that evenly spread across 3 days?
 
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I'm curious to know how you feel the first couple weeks. I tried dropping to 90, had low E2 symptoms after the first week and felt like shit. Increased to 100 over 3 days and irritable as f today...feels like high E2....such a fucking balancing act. One more week and I'm going back to 52mg x2, I don't have the patience for this shit. Good luck.

@animal-inside Do you find you tend to use less when injecting more frequently, b/c you never have the deeper trough levels as when injecting twice a week? How much are you taking in total? And, is that evenly spread across 3 days?

I use what my doctor tells me to use based on my blood work. He thinks I'm injecting 1x a week at 100mg. I'm injecting 3x a week at 33mg each time. HE told me to get my blood drawn right when my levels would be at their lowest, which is the morning of your weekly injection OR for me the morning of my Monday injection b/c I don't inject Sat/Sun.

Total I take is 100mg. 33mg x 3.

I've honestly had my blood work done injecting once a week vs 3x a week (same dose divided) and the end result was always the same around 20-22.

I've had blood work done on average 4 times a year for the last 5 or 6 years. I'm fairly confident in what the numbers say and consistency etc..

That was until my test levels went from 20-22 down to like 12ish for no reason whatso ever. For 5-6 years my script was 75mg once a week and that got me to 20-22 consistently. Than all of a sudden same dose, same blood work timing dropped me to 12ish. Weird though as my thyroid script blood work TSH was around 0.8 at 100mg synthroid. Than on that same blood work my test levels dropped, my TSH also jumped to 1.6 or so. Doctor upped my synthroid dose to 125mcg and I got blood work last week. I can veiw the TSH online and its still around 1.6 even with the dose increase. I can't view the testosterone blood work result on line though. NEed to go in next week to go over it with the doctor.
 
I use what my doctor tells me to use based on my blood work. He thinks I'm injecting 1x a week at 100mg. I'm injecting 3x a week at 33mg each time. HE told me to get my blood drawn right when my levels would be at their lowest, which is the morning of your weekly injection OR for me the morning of my Monday injection b/c I don't inject Sat/Sun.

Total I take is 100mg. 33mg x 3.

I've honestly had my blood work done injecting once a week vs 3x a week (same dose divided) and the end result was always the same around 20-22.

I've had blood work done on average 4 times a year for the last 5 or 6 years. I'm fairly confident in what the numbers say and consistency etc..

That was until my test levels went from 20-22 down to like 12ish for no reason whatso ever. For 5-6 years my script was 75mg once a week and that got me to 20-22 consistently. Than all of a sudden same dose, same blood work timing dropped me to 12ish. Weird though as my thyroid script blood work TSH was around 0.8 at 100mg synthroid. Than on that same blood work my test levels dropped, my TSH also jumped to 1.6 or so. Doctor upped my synthroid dose to 125mcg and I got blood work last week. I can veiw the TSH online and its still around 1.6 even with the dose increase. I can't view the testosterone blood work result on line though. NEed to go in next week to go over it with the doctor.
That's kind of what I thought, that with a long-acting ester the end result will be more or less the same. That's definitely weird, but I can appreciate that sensitivity can change due to a number of factors. Thanks.
 
I'm curious to know how you feel the first couple weeks. I tried dropping to 90, had low E2 symptoms after the first week and felt like shit. Increased to 100 over 3 days and irritable as f today...feels like high E2....such a fucking balancing act. One more week and I'm going back to 52mg x2, I don't have the patience for this shit. Good luck.

@animal-inside Do you find you tend to use less when injecting more frequently, b/c you never have the deeper trough levels as when injecting twice a week? How much are you taking in total? And, is that evenly spread across 3 days?
For some reason, whenever I lower a test dose, I start getting insane morning wood within the first couple days. This time is no different. Today is 7 days since first injection of 40mg (40mg x2, Mon/Friday)
 
For some reason, whenever I lower a test dose, I start getting insane morning wood within the first couple days. This time is no different. Today is 7 days since first injection of 40mg (40mg x2, Mon/Friday)

Questgion for you then..

If you inject yoru TRT once a week, do you notice a differnece in your morning wood after you inject and the week goes by?

By that I mean say you inject your 100mg on Sunday, do you notice between Mon-Sat that you get more morning wood as the week goes by and your test levels drop slightly?
 
Questgion for you then..

If you inject yoru TRT once a week, do you notice a differnece in your morning wood after you inject and the week goes by?

By that I mean say you inject your 100mg on Sunday, do you notice between Mon-Sat that you get more morning wood as the week goes by and your test levels drop slightly?
I've never pinned less than twice a week, usually three. I haven't noticed a difference in morning wood while on a consistent dose, pinning two or three times a week.
 
roughly 80mg was what my initial prescribed trt dose was. Honestly I had no issue with it. My only issue was that the doc had me pinning 250mg every 3 weeks so I followed his dosage suggestion but pinned weekly..ie 80mg weekly instead of 250mg every 3 weeks.
 
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