It’s my understanding that higher gauge needles can potentially cause more trauma to the muscle by the sheer velocity of the oil going in. I used to use 25’s but now only 23’s. I may be out to lunch however I have noticed less discomfort. Also ever try ventro glute ? Easy to hit and virtually painless .
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I can understand this in theory but in practical application I don't think it holds up for oils. Load some up and squirt it into the sink. Look at the way it comes out the tip. Visualize injecting that into muscle or actually try it on a piece of steak or chicken (or a fresh cadaver if you have one handy)
Observe and reflect. The oil is too thick and slow to do much is my guess.
For the longest time I used a 18 to draw and a 23 to inject. specially when I used to use a lot of oils in my cycles. ah the good old days, lol.
This time around I'm doing 25g to inject.
As for quads they can be tricky. there are tricks to pinpoint the best general area to use I'm sure you already looked them up) but can be a tricky one. if you hit a tendon don't push through it and inject. that will hurt later.
Sometime I pin quads the first insert goes in all the way without even feeling it, other times I need to pull back a bit and change the needles azimuth. other times I'll pull right out and start fresh on an other site with a fresh needed. I love quads but it's the only site I do this.
Any site you do for the first time will hurt. but don't dis it till you try it, sites you would be surprised are not anywhere as scary as you'd thing would be 1cc in the bicep, 1cc in the chest (obviously don't use a two inch needle if you have tiny pecs like mine lol) or up to 2 cc in the lats. I only wrote those quantities because that's the most I put in This
areas and never tried more.
I've mostly done ventro glute with 25 g 1 inch, delts and quads but yea gotta get a few more areas into rotation I guess.
25 g 1 inch into the bicep and lats?
Not gonna lie that's got me thinking it wouldn't be fun at all especially the bicep.
I've never tried 23g I think I'm good haha!
I always inject slow and try to keep relaxed, not sure if you all just fucking harpoon er in there or what?
Did a sub q stomach shot for the first time in a long time and it was too painless got my inner bitch talking to me haha jk sub q fans out there!
25 g 1 inch into the bicep and lats?
Not gonna lie that's got me thinking it wouldn't be fun at all especially the bicep.
I've never tried 23g I think I'm good haha!
I always inject slow and try to keep relaxed, not sure if you all just fucking harpoon er in there or what?
Did a sub q stomach shot for the first time in a long time and it was too painless got my inner bitch talking to me haha jk sub q fans out there!
do any calf shots yet? Wondering how you faired if so.
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Gondar1
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Who has a fresh cadaver kicking around, lol
Certainly not me officer.
That’s unfortunate…calves used to be a go to spot for me until I shot some Echelon t400 and limped for a week…LOL. I have even done test suspension in calves and teardrop before with limited pain. Weird from person to person
Well that sucks, sorry to hear. Legit not bad at all for myself, one of the lucky ones with regard to PIP in general it seems. Regardless of compound including ones that have a bad rep for it. I don't usually go above 2cc's and normally 1cc so that's probably a factor in my favour. I've only ever had one that sticks out in my mind and that was bad Test E and luckily I guess it was a glute shot.
Actually I have thought about this too much.
I would freeze the body solid, then run it thru the chipper (turns anything frozen into small flakes) then dump them into the meat chopper (huge food processor) and keep adding water and chopping them up until they are like a thick soup and then wash them down the drain.
From frozen to drain about 20 minutes.
Good stuff, do you think that all of that has been accounted for by those who manufacture them so as to stay within safe limits? I'd like to think so but with all the combinations available maybe not.
Some concepts are way easier for me absorb when I have a hands on experience, especially if math is involved. I'd like to actually do the experiment because it would help all this really sink in, I don't have the equipment on hand to do it though.
Strangely enough I am aware as I did something similar as a kid and remember it very well. We had tiny little motors for model planes and other frivolousness, Cox .049 in my case. We fueled them with a syringe. Syringe was about the size of a 3ml and had a replaceable metal needle that pushed on the tip, no leur-lock type of thing just straight on with pressure, very small guage maybe 28-30.
One day I filled the syringe with water, put the needle on and proceeded to spray my friend who was a good 10-15 feet away. The thin stream hit him in the chest and shoulder for about a second until the needle popped off and hit him just below the eye. Massive tantrum ensued.
Upon writing that I realized I could effectively do your experiment with a 3ml syringe, once with no needle and once with a 25g x 1" needle. Legit experiment or no? The stream without the needle went about 25 feet as compared to 20 feet for the needle. Not what I expected.
I suspect that I'm not getting it. Can you explain if you have a moment? Like I'm 5 as they say lol. I note that the no needle shot was quicker and much easier. Also the tip of the syringe, while having a much larger bore than the needle is also much shorter that the 1 inch needle.
damn, I deleted my post so as not to get into a physics discussion, but not quickly enough.
My hands on experience with was with 60ml syringes. That's what passed for water guns on the farm.
You did the experiment with the same bore of syringe both times, so that is what is expected.
You could generate greater pressure with the smaller needle because the resistance to flow was greater.
This resistance allows you to convert more work into the system as pressure energy (lower flowrate in cc per second), so once it leaves the syringe there is more pressure energy to be converted into kinetic energy. Picture cutting the end off the syringe entirely.... how much pressure could you generate?
the no needle shot was quicker and much easier.
less force for the equivalent displacement = less work. Less energy put into the system, but more power
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Massage helps break it up. I'd suggest micro dosing ED or EOD subq in the ventro glute with a 29g insulin pin.
damn, I deleted my post so as not to get into a physics discussion, but not quickly enough.
My hands on experience with was with 60ml syringes. That's what passed for water guns on the farm.
You did the experiment with the same bore of syringe both times, so that is what is expected.
You could generate greater pressure with the smaller needle because the resistance to flow was greater.
This resistance allows you to convert more work into the system as pressure energy (lower flowrate in cc per second), so once it leaves the syringe there is more pressure energy to be converted into kinetic energy. Picture cutting the end off the syringe entirely.... how much pressure could you generate?
the no needle shot was quicker and much easier.
less force for the equivalent displacement = less work. Less energy put into the system.
Thank you Sir!
An experiment you could do with your one 3ml needle to more accurately depict the principle I was attempting to describe in my original post.
With the needle on, time how long it takes you to empty 3ccs of water.
Then do it again without the needle, but take the same amount of time to depress the plunger.
The bigger bore opening should now shoot maybe only a few inches, because you're doing less work ( less force, same displacement) and mostly removed the power component difference. (work/time)
Now picture injecting with small needle, with the distance fired equating to tissue damage.
If you take the same amount of time to inject with a bigger bore needle, there will be less damage.
But because it is "quicker and easier" to inject with the bigger bore needle, more energy per unit time, you can shoot farther, and if you do then there will be more tissue damage. (in this theoretical scenario, not claiming it happens.)
I'm certain needle to syringe size combinations will be engineered to keep things within safe parameters... so long as people aren't trying to do strong man competitions trying to see how fast they can pump in 3mls.
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