Pre-workout compounds

I usually go with lions mane a good intra with eaas and electrolytes and about 20mg of anavar.. I'm definitely considering some injectible dbol or anadrol at some point..
 
strongmann said:
I usually go with lions mane a good intra with eaas and electrolytes and about 20mg of anavar.. I'm definitely considering some injectible dbol or anadrol at some point..
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Is the Orion var good? Or any other lab that does a good var that particular oral can be hit or miss even with good labs.
 
Ethan said:
What do you guys use for a pre-workout compound for days that you fucking hate for me I hate back day.
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Don't be offended but does your back kinda suck because of this? Or to put it more nicely are you satisfied with how it looks and how strong you are?
I ask because although most of the coaching I have done has been in person, it almost always has involved sets of progress pictures and phone conversations too. Almost always when you go through someone's goals with them they say their weak parts are a top priority.
A few times guys have called and said something like "fuck G it's legs/back/whatever tonight and I'm just not into it".
So I show them a picture of their lacking legs/back/whatever and say "you were saying?"
Maybe go have a good look at your back in the mirror.
Same idea for " I want to accomplish such and such by X date" too.

I'd bet most of us can pull damn near the same energy out of our brains as we can by getting all methed up. And I'm def not perfect in this regard either, I've had 2 monsters today, no workout. My more direct answer would be DMAA but it's not the safest shit by any means and tolerance builds quickly.
 
gondar1 said:
Don't be offended but does your back kinda suck because of this? Or to put it more nicely are you satisfied with how it looks and how strong you are?
I ask because although most of the coaching I have done has been in person, it almost always has involved sets of progress pictures and phone conversations too. Almost always when you go through someone's goals with them they say their weak parts are a top priority.
A few times guys have called and said something like "fuck G it's legs/back/whatever tonight and I'm just not into it".
So I show them a picture of their lacking legs/back/whatever and say "you were saying?"
Maybe go have a good look at your back in the mirror.
Same idea for " I want to accomplish such and such by X date" too.

I'd bet most of us can pull damn near the same energy out of our brains as we can by getting all methed up. And I'm def not perfect in this regard either, I've had 2 monsters today, no workout. My more direct answer would be DMAA but it's not the safest shit by any means and tolerance builds quickly.
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I bought some DMMA once, shit was too much for me, so I took it into work and my staff loved it, lol.
 
Sorbate said:
I bought some DMMA once, shit was too much for me, so I took it into work and my staff loved it, lol.
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Just to be clear for anyone reading along, DMAA(1,3-dimethylamylamine) is surrounded by a bunch of different things with similar abbreviations if you are ever gonna take any of this shit you'd be well advised to really check it out thoroughly, find out the full chemical name etc. I believe DMAA is the most potent of the somewhat common ones. BUT this is serious shit , the question was "what do you guys use?" and that's what I answered to, it's not a recommendation by any means.
Any of the things we talk about on here should be investigated like crazy, pre WO stuff could certainly be lethal and it has been, don't believe me or anyone else, I'm just some fucking guy on the internet. No one is gonna be as concerned about keeping you safe more than you yourself should be.

This ramble brought to you in part by the broccoli heads and others I hear joking about how their heart is going bonkers cause of how much shit they dry scooped in the car on the way to the gym.
I post because I care.
Dad mode: OFF
 
gondar1 said:
Don't be offended but does your back kinda suck because of this? Or to put it more nicely are you satisfied with how it looks and how strong you are?
I ask because although most of the coaching I have done has been in person, it almost always has involved sets of progress pictures and phone conversations too. Almost always when you go through someone's goals with them they say their weak parts are a top priority.
A few times guys have called and said something like "fuck G it's legs/back/whatever tonight and I'm just not into it".
So I show them a picture of their lacking legs/back/whatever and say "you were saying?"
Maybe go have a good look at your back in the mirror.
Same idea for " I want to accomplish such and such by X date" too.

I'd bet most of us can pull damn near the same energy out of our brains as we can by getting all methed up. And I'm def not perfect in this regard either, I've had 2 monsters today, no workout. My more direct answer would be DMAA but it's not the safest shit by any means and tolerance builds quickly.
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I still hit back pretty hard but I always feel like it’s an inferior workout no matter what I do for example I could do biceps with half of the amount that I put into back and still leave feeling like I had a better workout. Maybe it’s because I don’t really feel it in my lats or back in the moment but I definitely think it’s the worst day out of all them specifically lat pull downs I’ll do a set to absolute failure and stop for 10 seconds and try to get even more reps and do that for like 6-8 sets then 10 sets of face pulls I like the face pulls but never feel like I got enough out of the pulldowns despite being completely fatigued after.
 
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gondar1 said:
Just to be clear for anyone reading along, DMAA(1,3-dimethylamylamine) is surrounded by a bunch of different things with similar abbreviations if you are ever gonna take any of this shit you'd be well advised to really check it out thoroughly, find out the full chemical name etc. I believe DMAA is the most potent of the somewhat common ones. BUT this is serious shit , the question was "what do you guys use?" and that's what I answered to, it's not a recommendation by any means.
Any of the things we talk about on here should be investigated like crazy, pre WO stuff could certainly be lethal and it has been, don't believe me or anyone else, I'm just some fucking guy on the internet. No one is gonna be as concerned about keeping you safe more than you yourself should be.

This ramble brought to you in part by the broccoli heads and others I hear joking about how their heart is going bonkers cause of how much shit they dry scooped in the car on the way to the gym.
I post because I care.
Dad mode: OFF
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I’ve heard of that shit from the early 2000s probably wouldn’t use it I’m not a huge pre-workout fan I can’t use really any pre-workout the citrulline causes really bad stomach pain so I just stick to regular caffeine like monster energy or something like that. I don’t even know where the hell somebody would find DMAA haven’t seen it on any of the websites I buy AAS from.
 
Ethan said:
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I’ve heard of that shit from the early 2000s probably wouldn’t use it I’m not a huge pre-workout fan I can’t use really any pre-workout the citrulline causes really bad stomach pain so I just stick to regular caffeine like monster energy or something like that. I don’t even know where the hell somebody would find DMAA haven’t seen it on any of the websites I buy AAS from.
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so this changes things from my POV, the OP sounded like you meant stimulants to me citrulline is not in that class.

If that is the side of things (pump) you are talking about then always keeping in mind all the researching and safety stuff I said above my personal go to is Cialis. Commonly used for CV health at 5-10mg daily, occasional higher dose pre WO. BTW Caffeine pills are about a million times cheaper per mg of caff than any energy drink if you buy from a lot of supp shop sources. IIRC last time I bought it was about $6 for 100 x 200mg pills. Canadianprotein, Vitamart etc maybe even amazon?
 
Ethan said:
I still hit back pretty hard but I always feel like it’s an inferior workout no matter what I do for example I could do biceps with half of the amount that I put into back and still leave feeling like I had a better workout. Maybe it’s because I don’t really feel it in my lats or back in the moment but I definitely think it’s the worst day out of all them specifically lat pull downs I’ll do a set to absolute failure and stop for 10 seconds and try to get even more reps and do that for like 6-8 sets then 10 sets of face pulls I like the face pulls but never feel like I got enough out of the pulldowns despite being completely fatigued after.
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Try different exercises until you find something you can feel better.

Like bent rows, deadlifts, pullovers wide grip seated rows and so on.

I feel nothing with facepulls and only do pull downs once in a while. Rather to body weight pull ups.
 
Ethan said:
I still hit back pretty hard but I always feel like it’s an inferior workout no matter what I do for example I could do biceps with half of the amount that I put into back and still leave feeling like I had a better workout. Maybe it’s because I don’t really feel it in my lats or back in the moment but I definitely think it’s the worst day out of all them specifically lat pull downs I’ll do a set to absolute failure and stop for 10 seconds and try to get even more reps and do that for like 6-8 sets then 10 sets of face pulls I like the face pulls but never feel like I got enough out of the pulldowns despite being completely fatigued after.
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I missed this one, it's a bit of a derail from your OP but I'll comment, food for thought. Growing muscle tissue is the goal I always will assume as a default. IMO you probably would benefit from a very different sets and reps scheme.
First off I'm all for feeling the target muscle, "mind muscle connection", it makes sense for dialing in form but honestly... it's contribution must be quite small right? Doing a movement "correctly" means, in part that you are shortening the target muscle against resistance. That being true the cells/fibers are contracting where you focus on it or not.
I'm not saying it's a waste of time but their are a lot of huge guys like powerlifters or strongmen or farmboys who don't spend any time trying to feel the muscle. They are just trying to move heavy shit.

Less sets and reps tends to improve intensity because if you are serious about this shit you get a little desperate knowing that your chances to stimulate growth are now fewer within that workout. You just can't really giver 100% full throttle stimulation wise for many sets. If you count those rest-pause sets how many sets ae you doing in a back workout, maybe 30? That's cool if you are "trying to get in shape", fine and dandy if that's the goal.

In short my general philosophy for mass gain up to intermediate and even advanced level keeps coming back to the same thing over the years, roughly -

1 or 2 movements per bodypart, about 2x a week
Warmup sets limited as much as possible, low intensity
1-2 balls out sets of 5-8 reps
Go home

Of course variety in programming is good mentally and all kinds of other programs but a good run of 5-6 months like that almost allows produces.

Opinions vary, there are some of mine, best of luck.
 
gondar1 said:
I missed this one, it's a bit of a derail from your OP but I'll comment, food for thought. Growing muscle tissue is the goal I always will assume as a default. IMO you probably would benefit from a very different sets and reps scheme.
First off I'm all for feeling the target muscle, "mind muscle connection", it makes sense for dialing in form but honestly... it's contribution must be quite small right? Doing a movement "correctly" means, in part that you are shortening the target muscle against resistance. That being true the cells/fibers are contracting where you focus on it or not.
I'm not saying it's a waste of time but their are a lot of huge guys like powerlifters or strongmen or farmboys who don't spend any time trying to feel the muscle. They are just trying to move heavy shit.

Less sets and reps tends to improve intensity because if you are serious about this shit you get a little desperate knowing that your chances to stimulate growth are now fewer within that workout. You just can't really giver 100% full throttle stimulation wise for many sets. If you count those rest-pause sets how many sets ae you doing in a back workout, maybe 30? That's cool if you are "trying to get in shape", fine and dandy if that's the goal.

In short my general philosophy for mass gain up to intermediate and even advanced level keeps coming back to the same thing over the years, roughly -

1 or 2 movements per bodypart, about 2x a week
Warmup sets limited as much as possible, low intensity
1-2 balls out sets of 5-8 reps
Go home

Of course variety in programming is good mentally and all kinds of other programs but a good run of 5-6 months like that almost allows produces.

Opinions vary, there are some of mine, best of luck.
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I might try that that being said I’m not sure what I would really do for the rest of the day except for my hour of cardio I guess.
 
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