Older lifters

I never considered comparing ester length of orals to injectables. Totally makes sense, though. Quick acting, taken daily like an acetate. Weird the way our brains don't always correlate.
I think it's a valuable comparison, though orals don't have an ester. More accurately we'd be looking at comparing the half life of each drug.

A lot gets lost over the years with the same misinformation being spread unfortunately. Not to mention fads with PEDs come and go.
 
I think it's a valuable comparison, though orals don't have an ester. More accurately we'd be looking at comparing the half life of each drug.

A lot gets lost over the years with the same misinformation being spread unfortunately. Not to mention fads with PEDs come and go.
Yeah, half life is a better way of looking at it.
 
Why just injectable ones.
Well when I tried injectable anadrol i F'N loved it. I could control the dose easier. Could've been placebo but i personally don't think so.. You also hear that it misses the first pass of the liver but not sure now after reading an article from power peptide on here. Wish i did some blood work to confirm that theory. It also didn't destroy my appetite like when i took it orally.
 
You also hear that it misses the first pass of the liver but not sure now after reading an article from power peptide on here. Wish i did some blood work to confirm that theory. It also didn't destroy my appetite like when i took it orally.
Short answer is that it definitely enjoys enjoys skipping the first pass. However as often is the case the short answer is wholly inadequate when considering the context ie ones health. Though it would get around the acute slam of liver stress we have to ask (or at least I do lol) what is the total amount of "damage" done by the compound? To the liver over time but also to all the other organs and systems.

I haven't honestly ever bothered to look because it's highly unlikely that there are good studies focused enough to give high enough quality answers that directly apply to AAS. But I can share a few thoughts that I feel strongly should be looked at as fact.

There are very few drugs that are designed to force liver interaction when injected. That makes the concept worthy of a look. In fact in the AAS world the 17aa's are made that way so they can be taken orally and not be destroyed before getting to work. Yet again though there is no free ride.
Back to the bolded part now, I think this is something that can be visualized like an Area Under the Curve Diagram. For the liver alone I'd be willing to bet that over time that total amount of damage ends up being very close to the same. Maybe another better visual would be comparing sticking your hand into and barrel with an 80% acid mixture in it for an hour vs a 40% mix for a day. So my question would be how much do you "gain" if anything? You may miss that first spike but 4-5 minutes later that shit is all in full circulation anyways, passing through and getting filtered by the liver over and over.

So I do think that it possibly could be easier on the liver, the question of the effects on other bodyparts/functions are unknown afaik. @Goldenrod and I have argued about the intricacies of the first pass avoidance on here over the years and though my view hasn't changed much at all I must say that iirc one of his main points has been "how much" effect it may or may not have which I agree is the question we should be asking.

Again on the "no free ride" train my friend I'm not trying to talk you or anybody else out of or into doing anything, all of this has negs to be weighed, cheers!

To the OP @Grindtight I hope you'll keep in mind that not bloodwork or anything else paint the whole picture of what's going on inside, I bet we all can name some guys who had great bloods, imaging or whatever diagnostics that met a sudden "shocking" demise. In this particular case i personally think there are better ways to get the job done, good luck Sir
 
I think it depends on what you're trying to achieve.. and if your organs can handle it.. only way i would touch orals these days is through injectable ones. wish someone would come out with injectable anavar!! 🤣
Whoever told you injectable orals are safer than orals is wrong, I have no idea why orals are made into injectables other than people thinking it is safer. You skip one bypass through the liver and nothing else and your liver still has to deal with a potentially liver toxic compound that must be cleared from your system. Few I respect as much as @gondar1 hence we can disagree respectfully. I am going by multiple people/myself and blood work plus the science of how your body metabolized and gets rid of drugs in your system. There is injectable Anavar available, but it messed with liver enzymes, even if the kidneys do most of the work, in the exact same way oral Anavar does. This has been discussed at length.
My opinion on this will never change. I asked the exact questions eons ago to people who forgot more than I know when injectable orals were coming out, and everyone who was not selling them said they are just as hard on the body.
Just like Gondar1 - I am not telling anyone not to something but changing a drug into an injectable form that is liver toxic, if someone can provide a logical reason it is now not liver toxic, I am always willing to listen.
 
I have got blood work done it stellar
Then ask yourself, are you concerned with your overall health, well being and longevity or are you just looking to f around and add some questionable mass as quick as you can with little regard to health?
When you say " stellar " I assume you mean what most people look at in regards to negatives. What are your hormones at currently? Would you qualify for hrt/trt ?
 
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