Did you just literally stop all together or do you use a PCT? I’m curious how you felt if you just stopped all togetherIf that was the case, why aren't you still responding? Lots of guys here are taking close to what your off period is and are still making progress. 250 mg of test was my first cycle, no way was that like being natural. As far as how you feel, gear has an effect on the brain and mood regulating hormones, it's going to take time to find a new "normal" after being exposed to super high levels of anabolics.
Once the receptors are populated the only way to restore sensitivity is to starve them of androgens or return to a "normal" amount of testosterone, though I do think starving them is superior. Insulin works like this too, eat too many carbs? You get insulin resistant, fat and you need to reduce carbs or even go no carbs to restore sensitivity. Smoke weed? You need more to get the same high. Antibiotics for too long? You get resistant. I think you get my point by now. There has been a lot of parroting of information from people that are blasting and cruising(not true trt), essentially addicts, as a way to justify staying on that just simply isn't true.
Without getting into too much detail, I have been completely off for about 6 months now. There was a period of time where I was off for maybe 3.5 months and I took just 1cc of test c and in few days I kid you not I looked like I took a gram and added 40lbs to my hack squat. That's the power of coming completely off. Obviously that is anecdotal.
If you're interested in reading how this works I suggest reading the article below. Its quite in depth and has lots of studies cited to boot.
Androgen receptor down-regulation and its effects on muscle growth. Short vs Long Cycles. - TAEIAN
Androgen receptor down-regulation and its effects on muscle growth. Short vs Long Cycles. Short cycles, supplements to improve androgen receptor content, why androgen receptor content matters for muscle growth, why gains stop by week 6. Androgen receptor down-regulation due to anabolic steroid...www.taeian.com
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that’s what i’m using rn. pray for me
I was doing a fertility program which is a beefed up PCT. In the past I'd just drop to around 200mg test then stop the test and add HCG. Then I'd taper my HCG down to nothing over 2 weeks and in a few days I'd be back getting morning wood on my own supply and interested in pussy again
In the time things are down it's sucks a bit but I was fine just no/low libido.Something to note here is I've always recovered easily possibly because I always came off between cycles. Some are not so fortunate.
I sold it at a loss to someone who had used the old vet winny suspension and had no pain nerves left, lol.
I kept the part bottle and was so mad I threw it as hard as I could at the garbage can at work. Didn’t break and kinda pissed me off.
Now it 100mg/ml only for me.
Oh yeah, and good luck, lol
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maybe if you stayed on it you would have been strong enough to break the vial?
Kinda weird that I've only ever had legit once and it was from garbage test that was crippling everyone who took it. Local and the source eventually got roughed up after refusing to refund anyone. Not by me to be clear, lol. I did not get it direct from him so not my fight.
Not even a tickle from 3cc's of 150 mg Primo by the way.
@mattbeaton77 I'm not a fan of the source of that article he has said somethings I find hilariously silly in the past so I only gave it a quick glance. I don't recall exactly what they were due to time passing. The fact I'm not a fan is irrelevant to the question though, what's important is if the facts are correct. I do agree with the opinion that it has not been debunked.If that was the case, why aren't you still responding? Lots of guys here are taking close to what your off period is and are still making progress. 250 mg of test was my first cycle, no way was that like being natural. As far as how you feel, gear has an effect on the brain and mood regulating hormones, it's going to take time to find a new "normal" after being exposed to super high levels of anabolics.
Once the receptors are populated the only way to restore sensitivity is to starve them of androgens or return to a "normal" amount of testosterone, though I do think starving them is superior. Insulin works like this too, eat too many carbs? You get insulin resistant, fat and you need to reduce carbs or even go no carbs to restore sensitivity. Smoke weed? You need more to get the same high. Antibiotics for too long? You get resistant. I think you get my point by now. There has been a lot of parroting of information from people that are blasting and cruising(not true trt), essentially addicts, as a way to justify staying on that just simply isn't true.
Without getting into too much detail, I have been completely off for about 6 months now. There was a period of time where I was off for maybe 3.5 months and I took just 1cc of test c and in few days I kid you not I looked like I took a gram and added 40lbs to my hack squat. That's the power of coming completely off. Obviously that is anecdotal.
If you're interested in reading how this works I suggest reading the article below. Its quite in depth and has lots of studies cited to boot.
Androgen receptor down-regulation and its effects on muscle growth. Short vs Long Cycles. - TAEIAN
Androgen receptor down-regulation and its effects on muscle growth. Short vs Long Cycles. Short cycles, supplements to improve androgen receptor content, why androgen receptor content matters for muscle growth, why gains stop by week 6. Androgen receptor down-regulation due to anabolic steroid...
Maybe more important in a case like this - maybe the receptors are not subject to regulation by AAS or maybe they are but the amount of anecdotal experiences I've seen in forums like this and irl of guys experiencing a repeated one step back, two steps forward experience continue to pile up. There are a bunch of bodily functions that can be manipulated or fall naturally into supercompensation. Water retention might be consider a very simple one and is the first one that comes to mind right now.
I used some Almere 150 and it was fine. I don't want to say which lab, This was years ago they are not around anymore.maybe if you stayed on it you would have been strong enough to break the vial?
Kinda weird that I've only ever had legit once and it was from garbage test that was crippling everyone who took it. Local and the source eventually got roughed up after refusing to refund anyone. Not by me to be clear, lol. I did not get it direct from him so not my fight.
Not even a tickle from 3cc's of 150 mg Primo by the way.
I ahve zero issues with prop though. No pip at all no matter what lab. Just primo and tren. I get a good burn from tren as well.
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Taein definitely has some controversial takes that's for sure, but without using his word as gospel the studies cited appear, at least to me, to match what I've seen with my own body.
Super compensation is exactly it. Yea maybe it doesn't feel as good but if you want the best results I feel it's the way to go. I do feel it's healthier as it's overall less exposure and there's no reason to keep pushing doses higher and higher once you've found an effective dose.
Hey man, how were the f40 biotech products? They seem pretty expensive, what did you end up getting?
Try 3 to 4 grams of L-Carnitine Tartrate as a metabolic enhancer to get your androgen receptors to become more sensitive. But like CoolRick stated time OFF first & start all over after a PCT, then maybe try the above, IMO. Good Luck!