My Shoulder Results

I am going to go all balls in towards repairing them, but of if I need surgery, it won’t hurt to have them as healthy as possible before hand.

First off proper nutrition, so make sure I get the building blocks, plus sumplements, like fish oil, vit c, creatine.

Then a protocol with bpc and tb500 I got from Goldenrod, still taking 1 iu pharma gh daily. Infra red light therapy, just trying to find a good machine not an Amazon special.
I have talked to physio and gave them my results and am going to set up a consistant program. Likely some shock wave in there once I get the right shoulder in better shape, so full mobility without pain, might as well break up some of the calcification and scar tissue.

This is going to be an experiment that will cost a ton of money, but I just want to see what I can do.

Maybe even prp injections. Too bad they don’t do collagen injections from what I can tell, that is really supposed to help. Maybe some place dies quietly, lol.

If I can get the outcome I want without surgery, I could make this a yearly protocol for a couple months to keep things in good shape, so I can abuse the rest of the year, lol. Kinda like deloading. The first time (right now) obviously will take the longest, but if it works, the yearly maintenance should bounce back quicker. There has to be something the pros do, or they would all be in worse shape than me.
If you're going kitchen sink it and spending the cash, might want to look at hyaluronic acid and maybe taurine too.
The research for the hyaluronic acid, is mostly around injections in the joint interface.
But they're cheap and I've had unexpected global benefits from using it orally at only 200mg/d.
 
If you're going kitchen sink it and spending the cash, might want to look at hyaluronic acid and maybe taurine too.
The research for the hyaluronic acid, is mostly around injections in the joint interface.
But they're cheap and I've had unexpected global benefits from using it orally at only 200mg/d.
Taurine? How much and what for?

And HA orally?

The one place I am going to get the prp done, they do HA injections, and neither need a script of referral, well you can do a self referral, lol.

I forgot to mention that I started to do 50 mg of deca 2 weeks ago.

My shoulders on both sides feel funny. Like achy/itchy. I believe they are healing somewhat on their own with only low test, deca and gh plus the supplements and collagen 2 times a day. Every time i run low dose deca, my shoulders ache for a couple weeks, but I just chalked it up to the deca/steroids and ignored it. They ached when I run dbol as well, and the last time I ran dbol, I had an issue with my shoulder that resolved itself in 3 weeks. It’s not an injury ache, just a weird dull itchy, spikey, scratchy ache. Hard to describe.

As a note, I cut my skin on my thumb on saturday, fairly decent cut and it is pretty much healed. Normally a cut like that is 7-8 days, I believe it will be completely healed wednesday, so 4-5 days. My thought is the collagen does something, mixed with gh and deca.
 
If you're going kitchen sink it and spending the cash, might want to look at hyaluronic acid and maybe taurine too.
The research for the hyaluronic acid, is mostly around injections in the joint interface.
But they're cheap and I've had unexpected global benefits from using it orally at only 200mg/d.
Just bought both of amazon, coming tomorrow and so are my peptides.
I am getting excited, this is going to be a fun experiment, and I am one of those tunnel vision types, so I’ll be super regimented.
 
1 or 2 grams daily.
Taurine is involved in so many different processes it's a hard one to describe and convoluted to study.
One thing it does is regulates and organizes fibrin in would healing. Collagen is the building blocks, but taurine keeps the brick rows straight.
Look into it's effects on scar tissue remodeling. Even old scars benefit.

The HA, I am surprised by it's oral effects too. I have a squeaky left knee that stops when I take the HA for a couple weeks, but comes back within a month when I stop. All my articulation and flexibility feels like it improves too... Though I've never measured anything so pure anecdote.

I'm not big into supplements anymore but these two are staples.
And both of them were traditionally consumed in high amounts from dietary sources.
 
1 or 2 grams daily.
Taurine is involved in so many different processes it's a hard one to describe and convoluted to study.
One thing it does is regulates and organizes fibrin in would healing. Collagen is the building blocks, but taurine keeps the brick rows straight.
Look into it's effects on scar tissue remodeling. Even old scars benefit.

The HA, I am surprised by it's oral effects too. I have a squeaky left knee that stops when I take the HA for a couple weeks, but comes back within a month when I stop. All my articulation and flexibility feels like it improves too... Though I've never measured anything so pure anecdote.

I'm not big into supplements anymore but these two are staples.
And both of them were traditionally consumed in high amounts from dietary sources.
I really like the idea of HA, because like anything, when you properly lubricate something, the mechanical stresses lower. Kinda why I started low dose deca for the same reason.
 
Chat GPT.

Got it — that’s an ultrasound report of both shoulders. I can summarize it for you in plain language if you’d like.

Here’s what the report says in brief:

Both shoulders show signs of tendon degeneration (tendinopathy) — especially involving the biceps, subscapularis, supraspinatus, and infraspinatus tendons.

There are calcific changes (calcium buildup) in both subscapularis tendons, which can cause pain and stiffness.

There’s likely partial-thickness tearing of the supraspinatus tendons (a common site for rotator cuff tears).

The impingement test (ultrasound sign of tendon pinching) is positive on the right shoulder, meaning structures may be getting squeezed during motion.

There are tiny bone spurs (osteophytes) at the AC (acromioclavicular) joints on both sides.

Mild bursitis (inflammation of the shoulder bursa) is seen — a trace amount on both sides.


Overall impression:

Chronic wear-and-tear changes (tendinopathy and mild tears) in multiple shoulder tendons on both sides.

Some calcium buildup and inflammation.

Signs of mild impingement and arthritis changes at the AC joints.


It’s consistent with rotator cuff tendinopathy / impingement syndrome in both shoulders.

Would you like me to explain what this means for treatment or recovery (like what can be done about it)?
 
Yes.

Perfect — here’s a breakdown of what this kind of ultrasound result usually means and what your friend can do about it (both short-term relief and long-term recovery).


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🩺 Diagnosis Summary

The findings suggest:

Rotator cuff tendinopathy: wear-and-tear or overuse damage to the tendons that stabilize and move the shoulder (especially supraspinatus and subscapularis).

Partial-thickness tears: small frays or splits in the tendon fibers, not full ruptures.

Calcific tendinitis: small calcium deposits inside the tendons, which can cause sharp pain and limit motion.

Mild bursitis: inflammation of the fluid sac (bursa) cushioning the joint.

Impingement: tendons being pinched between bones during movement.

AC joint osteophytes: small bone spurs where the collarbone meets the shoulder blade — a mild arthritis change.


All together, this is a chronic overuse / degeneration pattern often seen in people who do repetitive shoulder work, lifting, or sports (or just age-related wear).


---

⚕️ Typical Treatment Approach

1. Initial (Pain + Inflammation Control)

Rest / activity modification: avoid repetitive overhead work or heavy lifting for a while.

Ice therapy: 15–20 minutes a few times a day can reduce inflammation.

Anti-inflammatory meds: like ibuprofen or naproxen (if medically safe).

Physiotherapy referral: crucial — a PT can guide exercises to restore motion without aggravating the tear.



---

2. Physical Therapy (Most Important Part)

A physiotherapist will typically:

Teach rotator cuff and scapular stabilizer strengthening (especially external rotation and lower trapezius work).

Work on postural correction to reduce impingement.

Include stretching for the pecs and posterior capsule.

Possibly use ultrasound therapy, dry needling, or shockwave (for calcific tendinitis).


Consistency over 6–12 weeks is key — this is where most people improve without needing injections or surgery.


---

3. Injections (if persistent pain)

If pain remains after therapy:

Corticosteroid injection can reduce inflammation (helps bursitis or impingement).

Needle barbotage or lavage (for calcium removal) may be offered in calcific tendinitis.

PRP (platelet-rich plasma) injections are sometimes used for partial tears, though evidence is mixed.



---

4. Surgical Option (only if non-responsive)

If there’s continued pain or function loss despite 3–6 months of therapy:

Arthroscopic subacromial decompression or rotator cuff repair might be considered.

This is more likely if imaging shows the tear worsening or full-thickness rupture develops.



---

💪 Prognosis

Most people recover well without surgery, especially with dedicated physiotherapy.

Pain usually improves within 4–8 weeks.

Strength and function can take 3–6 months to fully return.

Avoiding overuse and maintaining shoulder exercises long-term helps prevent recurrence.



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If you tell me your friend’s age, activity level, and what kind of work or training they do, I can give a more tailored rehab or exercise plan (specific do’s and don’ts). Would you like that?
 
Chat GPT.

Got it — that’s an ultrasound report of both shoulders. I can summarize it for you in plain language if you’d like.

Here’s what the report says in brief:

Both shoulders show signs of tendon degeneration (tendinopathy) — especially involving the biceps, subscapularis, supraspinatus, and infraspinatus tendons.

There are calcific changes (calcium buildup) in both subscapularis tendons, which can cause pain and stiffness.

There’s likely partial-thickness tearing of the supraspinatus tendons (a common site for rotator cuff tears).

The impingement test (ultrasound sign of tendon pinching) is positive on the right shoulder, meaning structures may be getting squeezed during motion.

There are tiny bone spurs (osteophytes) at the AC (acromioclavicular) joints on both sides.

Mild bursitis (inflammation of the shoulder bursa) is seen — a trace amount on both sides.


Overall impression:

Chronic wear-and-tear changes (tendinopathy and mild tears) in multiple shoulder tendons on both sides.

Some calcium buildup and inflammation.

Signs of mild impingement and arthritis changes at the AC joints.


It’s consistent with rotator cuff tendinopathy / impingement syndrome in both shoulders.

Would you like me to explain what this means for treatment or recovery (like what can be done about it)?
I did the same thing on chat GPT.

I have now loosely formulated a plan to work on this.

At least the impingement is now pretty much resolved, so at least I know the inflamation is reducing. I guess 5 times a day icing is helping, then once a week advil 400 mg twice a day as an overkill.

Going to use shockwave therapy to help remove calcification, later, first is to start repairing the tendons before blasting them with shock wave.

Bone spurs, those I will have to deal with as i go along. Maybe surgery eventually to remove it, but that is temporary, it usually grows back, but my thought is if you increase lubrication with oral HA, then less mechanical damage will occur than if its dryer.

I am still working out the exact way I am going to attack this, because every day I learn something new. I love doing this shit, I like problem solving and looking for fixes. Plus I have been really bored lately and this will give me something to think about and plan.

BTW, Thanks for the info. If you have anything to add that may help this, I am all ears, you may think of something I havent already.
 
Yes.

Perfect — here’s a breakdown of what this kind of ultrasound result usually means and what your friend can do about it (both short-term relief and long-term recovery).


---

🩺 Diagnosis Summary

The findings suggest:

Rotator cuff tendinopathy: wear-and-tear or overuse damage to the tendons that stabilize and move the shoulder (especially supraspinatus and subscapularis).

Partial-thickness tears: small frays or splits in the tendon fibers, not full ruptures.

Calcific tendinitis: small calcium deposits inside the tendons, which can cause sharp pain and limit motion.

Mild bursitis: inflammation of the fluid sac (bursa) cushioning the joint.

Impingement: tendons being pinched between bones during movement.

AC joint osteophytes: small bone spurs where the collarbone meets the shoulder blade — a mild arthritis change.


All together, this is a chronic overuse / degeneration pattern often seen in people who do repetitive shoulder work, lifting, or sports (or just age-related wear).


---

⚕️ Typical Treatment Approach

1. Initial (Pain + Inflammation Control)

Rest / activity modification: avoid repetitive overhead work or heavy lifting for a while.

Ice therapy: 15–20 minutes a few times a day can reduce inflammation.

Anti-inflammatory meds: like ibuprofen or naproxen (if medically safe).

Physiotherapy referral: crucial — a PT can guide exercises to restore motion without aggravating the tear.



---

2. Physical Therapy (Most Important Part)

A physiotherapist will typically:

Teach rotator cuff and scapular stabilizer strengthening (especially external rotation and lower trapezius work).

Work on postural correction to reduce impingement.

Include stretching for the pecs and posterior capsule.

Possibly use ultrasound therapy, dry needling, or shockwave (for calcific tendinitis).


Consistency over 6–12 weeks is key — this is where most people improve without needing injections or surgery.


---

3. Injections (if persistent pain)

If pain remains after therapy:

Corticosteroid injection can reduce inflammation (helps bursitis or impingement).

Needle barbotage or lavage (for calcium removal) may be offered in calcific tendinitis.

PRP (platelet-rich plasma) injections are sometimes used for partial tears, though evidence is mixed.



---

4. Surgical Option (only if non-responsive)

If there’s continued pain or function loss despite 3–6 months of therapy:

Arthroscopic subacromial decompression or rotator cuff repair might be considered.

This is more likely if imaging shows the tear worsening or full-thickness rupture develops.



---

💪 Prognosis

Most people recover well without surgery, especially with dedicated physiotherapy.

Pain usually improves within 4–8 weeks.

Strength and function can take 3–6 months to fully return.

Avoiding overuse and maintaining shoulder exercises long-term helps prevent recurrence.



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If you tell me your friend’s age, activity level, and what kind of work or training they do, I can give a more tailored rehab or exercise plan (specific do’s and don’ts). Would you like that?
This is me, and I am 54. Obviously my work is heavy labour, lots of overhead lifting or overhead reaching.

My shoulders right now are about where they normally are, thing is I got so used to them being constantly sore and agrivated, that I have learned to ignore it. Finally today the impingement is gone. Was weird, this morning I expected to lift my arm to wash my hair and get impinged and some pain, but nothing, and thru the day it got even better.

I am icing like a maniac, even at work on lunch, I grab a couple ice cubes and rub the bicep tendons and shoulders for like 20 minutes, both sides. Then as soon as I get home from work, then a couple more times that night, the last one being before bed.

Been faking rehab myself for the last 5 weeks, but ahve an appointment tommorow with a physio therapist and will set up a program and consistant visits.
 
Ok chat gpt wouldn't discuss AAS or peptides but grok is cool with that.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend's shoulder issues—bilateral impingement with those MRI findings (like subacromial bursitis, AC joint degeneration, and supraspinatus tendinopathy) sounds painful and frustrating, especially with a long training background. At 54, recovery is absolutely possible with a structured approach, but it requires patience, consistency, and professional oversight to avoid setbacks. The good news is that conservative management works for most cases (up to 70-90% success rate), focusing on reducing inflammation, restoring mobility, and rebuilding strength. Since he's open to AAS (anabolic-androgenic steroids) or peptides, I'll cover those too, but **strongly emphasize: These are not first-line and carry risks. He needs bloodwork, monitoring, and a doctor's prescription—ideally from a sports medicine specialist or endocrinologist—to avoid complications like hormonal imbalances, liver strain, or worsening joint issues.**

### Step 1: Immediate Actions for Pain and Inflammation Relief (First 1-2 Weeks)
Start here to break the pain cycle before ramping up exercises. Impingement often stems from overuse, poor scapular mechanics, or age-related changes, so rest doesn't mean total inactivity—just smart modification.
- **Rest and Modify Activities**: Avoid overhead lifts, presses, or throwing motions. Train lower body or core instead (e.g., squats, deadlifts below shoulder height). Use a sling briefly if pain is severe, but not longer than 3-5 days to prevent stiffness.
- **Ice and NSAIDs**: Ice 15-20 minutes 3-4x/day. Over-the-counter ibuprofen (400-600mg, 2-3x/day with food) for 7-10 days to calm bursitis and tendinopathy. If AC joint pain is bad, topical diclofenac gel can help.
- **Posture Fix**: Slouch contributes to impingement. Sit/stand tall, shoulders back/down. Use a lumbar roll or foam roller against a wall for 5-10 minutes daily.
- **See a Pro**: Get a PT evaluation ASAP for manual therapy (e.g., soft tissue mobilization, joint glides) and a tailored plan. They can also rule out tears needing imaging follow-up. If pain persists >6 weeks, consider a cortisone injection for the subacromial space.

Expected outcome: Pain drops 30-50% in 1-2 weeks, allowing exercise progression.

### Step 2: Physical Therapy Exercises (Weeks 2-12+)
A PT-guided program is gold standard—focus on rotator cuff/scapular strengthening, flexibility, and proprioception. Do these 3-4x/week, 2-3 sets of 10-15 reps unless noted. Start light (no weights or 1-2lb dumbbells), progress as pain-free. Stop if pain increases >2/10. Bilateral means do both sides, but go easier on the worse one.

1. **Pendulum Swings (Mobility, Phase 1)**: Lean forward, let affected arm hang loose. Gently swing in small circles (clockwise/counterclockwise) for 1-2 minutes. Add 1-2lb weight once easy. Relieves bursa pressure.

2. **Scapular Blade Squeezes (Posture/Stabilization, Phase 1-2)**: Sit/stand tall, squeeze shoulder blades together like pinching a pencil between them. Hold 5 seconds, release. Progress to wall slides: Face wall, slide arms up/down while keeping blades down.

3. **Side-Lying External Rotation (Rotator Cuff Strength, Phase 2)**: Lie on unaffected side, elbow bent 90° tucked to side, hold light weight. Rotate forearm up toward ceiling, keeping elbow on body. Targets supraspinatus without impingement. (Key for tendinopathy.)

4. **Isometric Shoulder Abduction (Pain-Free Strength, Phase 1-2)**: Stand, press fist gently into wall at waist height (palm down). Hold 10 seconds. Progress to 90° (shoulder height) once pain-free. Builds cuff endurance for AC joint stability.

5. **Prone "Y" Raise (Scapular Strength, Phase 2-3)**: Lie face-down, arms in "Y" (thumbs up). Lift arms 2-3 inches off ground, squeeze blades. No weights initially. Addresses scapular dyskinesis common in long-term trainers.

Add stretches: Doorway pec stretch (hold 30s, 3x) and sleeper stretch (lie on affected side, gently push forearm down) for posterior tightness. Track progress weekly—aim for full pain-free ROM by week 6. Full return to training: 3-6 months, but modifiable workouts (e.g., bands, cables) by month 2.

### Step 3: Nutrition and Lifestyle for Recovery
- **Collagen Peptides**: 10-15g daily (e.g., hydrolyzed collagen powder in coffee). Supports tendon/bursa repair; studies show faster joint recovery in athletes.
- **Anti-Inflammatory Diet**: Omega-3s (fish oil 2g EPA/DHA daily), turmeric (500mg curcumin), vitamin C (1g/day) for collagen synthesis. Maintain protein at 1.6g/kg bodyweight for muscle preservation.
- **Sleep and Recovery Tools**: 7-9 hours/night. Consider red light therapy or contrast baths for inflammation.

### Step 4: AAS and Peptides—If Conservative Fails (After 4-6 Weeks PT)
These can accelerate healing in older athletes but aren't DIY. Risks include tendon rupture (AAS weakens them), estrogen sides (gynecomastia), or unknown long-term effects (peptides). Get baseline labs (testosterone, lipids, liver enzymes). Cycle short, monitor.

- **Peptides (Safer Entry Point)**: Focus on regenerative ones for tendon/bursa repair. Emerging research (mostly animal/human trials) shows promise for soft tissue.
- **BPC-157**: 250-500mcg subcutaneous daily near injury site for 4-6 weeks. Promotes angiogenesis, reduces inflammation; anecdotal athlete reports of 20-30% faster tendon healing. Legal gray area—banned in sports, but available via compounding pharmacies.
- **TB-500 (Thymosin Beta-4)**: 2-5mg twice weekly for 4-6 weeks. Enhances actin for tissue remodeling; good for chronic impingement. Pair with BPC for synergy.
- **Collagen Peptides (Oral)**: As above, but injectable forms if available—boosts ECM repair.
- **GHK-Cu**: 1-2mg daily topical/subQ. Anti-inflammatory, collagen booster; suits age 50+ for skin/joint rejuvenation.

- **AAS (Higher Risk, Use Sparingly)**: Low-dose for recovery, not bulking. Avoid if family history of prostate/heart issues.
- **Testosterone Enanthate**: 100-200mg/week IM for 8-12 weeks (TRT-level). Boosts protein synthesis, IGF-1 for tendon repair. Monitor estradiol; add AI if needed.
- **Nandrolone (Deca)**: 200-300mg/week for 8 weeks. Joint-friendly (increases synovial fluid), aids bursa/tendon recovery. But watch BP and lipids.
- PCT: Clomid/Nolva 4 weeks post-cycle to restore HPTA.

Start peptides first—less systemic impact. Source from reputable clinics (e.g., those offering telehealth for athletes). Re-test labs every 4 weeks.

### Overall Timeline and Red Flags
- **Weeks 1-4**: Pain down 50%, basic ROM restored.
- **Months 2-3**: Strength 70-80% baseline; resume light training.
- **Month 6+**: Full return, with maintenance exercises 2x/week.
Red flags: Night pain, weakness >50%, or swelling—see ortho for MRI follow-up or scope. If he's competing, check WADA rules.

This isn't medical advice—tailor with his doc/PT based on full history. With his training smarts, he can crush recovery and come back stronger. Hit me up for tweaks!
 
I had some pretty bad right shoulder pain for years. Like I would sit and sweat from the pain and I'd usually have to sit on the couch with my right forearm resting on my head. One cortisone injection fixed it up like new, it's been almost a decade and it's still good.
 
Ok chat gpt wouldn't discuss AAS or peptides but grok is cool with that.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend's shoulder issues—bilateral impingement with those MRI findings (like subacromial bursitis, AC joint degeneration, and supraspinatus tendinopathy) sounds painful and frustrating, especially with a long training background. At 54, recovery is absolutely possible with a structured approach, but it requires patience, consistency, and professional oversight to avoid setbacks. The good news is that conservative management works for most cases (up to 70-90% success rate), focusing on reducing inflammation, restoring mobility, and rebuilding strength. Since he's open to AAS (anabolic-androgenic steroids) or peptides, I'll cover those too, but **strongly emphasize: These are not first-line and carry risks. He needs bloodwork, monitoring, and a doctor's prescription—ideally from a sports medicine specialist or endocrinologist—to avoid complications like hormonal imbalances, liver strain, or worsening joint issues.**

### Step 1: Immediate Actions for Pain and Inflammation Relief (First 1-2 Weeks)
Start here to break the pain cycle before ramping up exercises. Impingement often stems from overuse, poor scapular mechanics, or age-related changes, so rest doesn't mean total inactivity—just smart modification.
- **Rest and Modify Activities**: Avoid overhead lifts, presses, or throwing motions. Train lower body or core instead (e.g., squats, deadlifts below shoulder height). Use a sling briefly if pain is severe, but not longer than 3-5 days to prevent stiffness.
- **Ice and NSAIDs**: Ice 15-20 minutes 3-4x/day. Over-the-counter ibuprofen (400-600mg, 2-3x/day with food) for 7-10 days to calm bursitis and tendinopathy. If AC joint pain is bad, topical diclofenac gel can help.
- **Posture Fix**: Slouch contributes to impingement. Sit/stand tall, shoulders back/down. Use a lumbar roll or foam roller against a wall for 5-10 minutes daily.
- **See a Pro**: Get a PT evaluation ASAP for manual therapy (e.g., soft tissue mobilization, joint glides) and a tailored plan. They can also rule out tears needing imaging follow-up. If pain persists >6 weeks, consider a cortisone injection for the subacromial space.

Expected outcome: Pain drops 30-50% in 1-2 weeks, allowing exercise progression.

### Step 2: Physical Therapy Exercises (Weeks 2-12+)
A PT-guided program is gold standard—focus on rotator cuff/scapular strengthening, flexibility, and proprioception. Do these 3-4x/week, 2-3 sets of 10-15 reps unless noted. Start light (no weights or 1-2lb dumbbells), progress as pain-free. Stop if pain increases >2/10. Bilateral means do both sides, but go easier on the worse one.

1. **Pendulum Swings (Mobility, Phase 1)**: Lean forward, let affected arm hang loose. Gently swing in small circles (clockwise/counterclockwise) for 1-2 minutes. Add 1-2lb weight once easy. Relieves bursa pressure.

2. **Scapular Blade Squeezes (Posture/Stabilization, Phase 1-2)**: Sit/stand tall, squeeze shoulder blades together like pinching a pencil between them. Hold 5 seconds, release. Progress to wall slides: Face wall, slide arms up/down while keeping blades down.

3. **Side-Lying External Rotation (Rotator Cuff Strength, Phase 2)**: Lie on unaffected side, elbow bent 90° tucked to side, hold light weight. Rotate forearm up toward ceiling, keeping elbow on body. Targets supraspinatus without impingement. (Key for tendinopathy.)

4. **Isometric Shoulder Abduction (Pain-Free Strength, Phase 1-2)**: Stand, press fist gently into wall at waist height (palm down). Hold 10 seconds. Progress to 90° (shoulder height) once pain-free. Builds cuff endurance for AC joint stability.

5. **Prone "Y" Raise (Scapular Strength, Phase 2-3)**: Lie face-down, arms in "Y" (thumbs up). Lift arms 2-3 inches off ground, squeeze blades. No weights initially. Addresses scapular dyskinesis common in long-term trainers.

Add stretches: Doorway pec stretch (hold 30s, 3x) and sleeper stretch (lie on affected side, gently push forearm down) for posterior tightness. Track progress weekly—aim for full pain-free ROM by week 6. Full return to training: 3-6 months, but modifiable workouts (e.g., bands, cables) by month 2.

### Step 3: Nutrition and Lifestyle for Recovery
- **Collagen Peptides**: 10-15g daily (e.g., hydrolyzed collagen powder in coffee). Supports tendon/bursa repair; studies show faster joint recovery in athletes.
- **Anti-Inflammatory Diet**: Omega-3s (fish oil 2g EPA/DHA daily), turmeric (500mg curcumin), vitamin C (1g/day) for collagen synthesis. Maintain protein at 1.6g/kg bodyweight for muscle preservation.
- **Sleep and Recovery Tools**: 7-9 hours/night. Consider red light therapy or contrast baths for inflammation.

### Step 4: AAS and Peptides—If Conservative Fails (After 4-6 Weeks PT)
These can accelerate healing in older athletes but aren't DIY. Risks include tendon rupture (AAS weakens them), estrogen sides (gynecomastia), or unknown long-term effects (peptides). Get baseline labs (testosterone, lipids, liver enzymes). Cycle short, monitor.

- **Peptides (Safer Entry Point)**: Focus on regenerative ones for tendon/bursa repair. Emerging research (mostly animal/human trials) shows promise for soft tissue.
- **BPC-157**: 250-500mcg subcutaneous daily near injury site for 4-6 weeks. Promotes angiogenesis, reduces inflammation; anecdotal athlete reports of 20-30% faster tendon healing. Legal gray area—banned in sports, but available via compounding pharmacies.
- **TB-500 (Thymosin Beta-4)**: 2-5mg twice weekly for 4-6 weeks. Enhances actin for tissue remodeling; good for chronic impingement. Pair with BPC for synergy.
- **Collagen Peptides (Oral)**: As above, but injectable forms if available—boosts ECM repair.
- **GHK-Cu**: 1-2mg daily topical/subQ. Anti-inflammatory, collagen booster; suits age 50+ for skin/joint rejuvenation.

- **AAS (Higher Risk, Use Sparingly)**: Low-dose for recovery, not bulking. Avoid if family history of prostate/heart issues.
- **Testosterone Enanthate**: 100-200mg/week IM for 8-12 weeks (TRT-level). Boosts protein synthesis, IGF-1 for tendon repair. Monitor estradiol; add AI if needed.
- **Nandrolone (Deca)**: 200-300mg/week for 8 weeks. Joint-friendly (increases synovial fluid), aids bursa/tendon recovery. But watch BP and lipids.
- PCT: Clomid/Nolva 4 weeks post-cycle to restore HPTA.

Start peptides first—less systemic impact. Source from reputable clinics (e.g., those offering telehealth for athletes). Re-test labs every 4 weeks.

### Overall Timeline and Red Flags
- **Weeks 1-4**: Pain down 50%, basic ROM restored.
- **Months 2-3**: Strength 70-80% baseline; resume light training.
- **Month 6+**: Full return, with maintenance exercises 2x/week.
Red flags: Night pain, weakness >50%, or swelling—see ortho for MRI follow-up or scope. If he's competing, check WADA rules.

This isn't medical advice—tailor with his doc/PT based on full history. With his training smarts, he can crush recovery and come back stronger. Hit me up for tweaks!
Already doing pretty much all exercises on the list

Already doing the drug regimen.

My impingement is 95% gone. Still tight but almost there. External rotor cuff is still weak, so is lifting in front doing a exercise like you are doing an uppercut, but it is miles better than it was after the 2nd week.

I don't have any (very minimal) pain normally, only when I get the impingement. No sleeping pain at all even if I sleep on the shoulder.

Only aching I mainly have is in the bicep tendon on both arms, but I have had that on and off for decades and I just stretch and ice and it goes away. Truthfully this time it is less than other times.

Physio today. Shockwave as soon as the impingement is gone would be my guess.
 
It sounds like you're doing everything right and I hope it continues getting better. I find the AI to be quite interesting and it's amazing how quickly it will answer these questions and usually it's advice is pretty good.
 
Went to physio today. The dude was crazy and great.

Didn’t give me the normal external rotation exercises, asked how I trained, and then build me a program based on what I would enjoy doing.

He said I have more than enough muscle I don’t need external rotor cuff exercises, but wants me to do 100+ reps of rows every day. Said I had an imbalance and that I need to stretch my pecs multiple times a day.

He did dry needling, and fuck me, what was that, hurt like hell, but can’t use shockwave on your pecs because you can get a lung embolism, but hammered it on my shoulder. My good shoulder feels worse than my bad one now. Told me that it will get rid of the calcification, and once that is gone the tendons will flex better and the pain will go away. He said the calcification is when you hurt the tendon and the body over reacts to heal it because you keep damaging it, but it doesn’t stretch or move and that is where the issue is.

I go to massage therapy tomorow for my monthly visit and he said tell her to “go ham” on my pecs and shoulders, they need to get loosened up.

Seriously I am impressed with this guy, he is no bullshit.

As an example, when he said to do rows and lots of them, I said, can I do shoulder shrugs, then he said, “why would you do shoulder shrugs, how is that going to fix your problem”. And just looked at me, all straight faced, lol.

I bet some people would be put off by him, but i like blunt to the point no bullshit people.
 
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It sounds like you're doing everything right and I hope it continues getting better. I find the AI to be quite interesting and it's amazing how quickly it will answer these questions and usually it's advice is pretty good.
What was the other AI you used is it called “grok”?
 
Went to physio today. The dude was crazy and great.

Didn’t give me the normal external rotation exercises, asked how I trained, and then build me a program based on what I would enjoy doing.

He said I have more than enough muscle I don’t need external rotor cuff exercises, but wants me to do 100+ reps of rows every day. Said I had an imbalance and that I need to stretch my pecs multiple times a day.

He did dry needling, and fuck me, what was that, hurt like hell, but can’t use shockwave on your pecs because you can get a lung embolism, but hammered it on my shoulder. My good shoulder feels worse than my bad one now. Told me that it will get rid of the calcification, and once that is gone the tendons will flex better and the pain will go away. He said the calcification is when you hurt the tendon and the body over reacts to heal it because you keep damaging it, but it doesn’t stretch or move and that is where the issue is.

I go to massage therapy tomorow for my monthly visit and he said tell her to “go ham” on my pecs and shoulders, they need to get loosened up.

Seriously I am impressed with this guy, he is no bullshit.

As an example, when he said to do rows and lots of them, I said, can I do shoulder shrugs, then he said, “why would you do shoulder shrugs, how is that going to fix your problem”. And just looked at me, all straight faced, lol.

I bet some people would be put off by him, but i like blunt to the point no bullshit people.
The dude was crazy & great, he dry needled you then fucked you and it hurts!!! Thats doesn’t sound like physio to me but hey you do you. Lol
 
What was the other AI you used is it called “grok”?
Grok is from Elon musks xAI. It's the least woke LLM it's has certain benefits over other models because it has live access to Internet and X formerly twitter. I think Elon said Grok has completed reading the entirety of the Internet, wild to think but it's read basically everything ever written.
 
Grok is a brilliant conversationalist and it's pretty funny too, it will throw puns into free flowing conversations that make chuckle sometimes. It ends all answers with a follow-up question.and it will always loop back to the original topic, if you ask for a more relaxed free flowing convo it feels more like a person you're talking to.
 
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