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Geo

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Turned 44 the other day, and said this would be the year I start to proactively, add pharmaceuticals into my routine. I take all the standard supps. High dose omega 3, coQ, vit D3/K2.

I take 5mg cialis E3D
81mg aspirin E3D (keep two with me because you know never if you or someone else might need them)
I just added in 5mg ezetimibe E3D

So I take one of each alone on a day, and cycle them through.

I also, after 20 plus years of living with an anxiety disorder (health anxiety, most notably cardiac anxiety) I’ve decided to get some propranolol as a PRN. I’ve never taken medication for it before, I’ve just dealt with it, and have had somewhere in the range of 5000 panic attacks over 20 years. I wish I was lying. But I had multiple a day for years. I eventually learned how to live with them, but they still happen, so I’m just done with the elevations in my heart rate, and other factors the release of adrenaline does to my body. I’ve given myself the grace to snuff them out. I tried 10mg after having an anxious day lately and it worked well.

I do a ton of exercise, I’m lean, but I’m 44 and been on and off of steroids for 20 years. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to essentially micro dose some pharmaceuticals at this point in my life. Any suggestions, critiques?

I’m not interested in being made to look stupid. I’m just hoping for constructive criticism if there’s any, I’m trying to be my best self.

Thanks crew
 
Happy belated birthday 🙂

@Goldenrod is the man I'd vouch for when it comes to opinions on this as I'm not in the same age group, but his approach is mature and I followed it in the beginning of my AAS journey.

The more I think about it 200mg test + 100mg of an anabolic (no tren) is a great approach for those who want a boost.

I'd opt for a shot of deca/ week and 15mg of dbol per day for 6-8 weeks though. I like the old school cycles lol 😎
 
Turned 44 the other day, and said this would be the year I start to proactively, add pharmaceuticals into my routine. I take all the standard supps. High dose omega 3, coQ, vit D3/K2.

I take 5mg cialis E3D
81mg aspirin E3D (keep two with me because you know never if you or someone else might need them)
I just added in 5mg ezetimibe E3D

So I take one of each alone on a day, and cycle them through.

I also, after 20 plus years of living with an anxiety disorder (health anxiety, most notably cardiac anxiety) I’ve decided to get some propranolol as a PRN. I’ve never taken medication for it before, I’ve just dealt with it, and have had somewhere in the range of 5000 panic attacks over 20 years. I wish I was lying. But I had multiple a day for years. I eventually learned how to live with them, but they still happen, so I’m just done with the elevations in my heart rate, and other factors the release of adrenaline does to my body. I’ve given myself the grace to snuff them out. I tried 10mg after having an anxious day lately and it worked well.

I do a ton of exercise, I’m lean, but I’m 44 and been on and off of steroids for 20 years. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to essentially micro dose some pharmaceuticals at this point in my life. Any suggestions, critiques?

I’m not interested in being made to look stupid. I’m just hoping for constructive criticism if there’s any, I’m trying to be my best self.

Thanks crew
I'm a proponent of microdosed polypharmacy for sure.
Please keep us updated on any effects from the Ezetimibe, I'm not a cholesterol alarmist by any means but I do think there is a limit at some point, no statins for me though and Ezetimibe is on my radar.
I'd like to see Mag Threonate or the cheaper but less effective in some regards (brain barrier) Glycinate added as an essential part of the base sups.
I'm also a Goldenrod supporter, a search of his posts is very valuable, I don't like calling guys out but I do hope he comments here.
I think he may have started a thread or too on his thought about what is essential but unfortunately those threads seem to get read a lot but then go quiet.
 
Happy belated birthday 🙂

@Goldenrod is the man I'd vouch for when it comes to opinions on this as I'm not in the same age group, but his approach is mature and I followed it in the beginning of my AAS journey.

The more I think about it 200mg test + 100mg of an anabolic (no tren) is a great approach for those who want a boost.

I'd opt for a shot of deca/ week and 15mg of dbol per day for 6-8 weeks though. I like the old school cycles lol 😎
Thanks bro
 
I'm a proponent of microdosed polypharmacy for sure.
Please keep us updated on any effects from the Ezetimibe, I'm not a cholesterol alarmist by any means but I do think there is a limit at some point, no statins for me though and Ezetimibe is on my radar.
I'd like to see Mag Threonate or the cheaper but less effective in some regards (brain barrier) Glycinate added as an essential part of the base sups.
I'm also a Goldenrod supporter, a search of his posts is very valuable, I don't like calling guys out but I do hope he comments here.
I think he may have started a thread or too on his thought about what is essential but unfortunately those threads seem to get read a lot but then go quiet.
I will keep this informed as I go. The usual does for ezetimibe is 10mg daily, but I found studies that say the difference in action between 5mg and 10mg is essentially meaningless, and the tabs crack easy. I’m just taking 5mg every 3 days, so whatever effect it could have on my cholesterol wouldn’t be full therapy by any means. It’s essentially a - this could do a lot of good for very little risk. Same to be said with the 10 day effect aspirin has on blood platelets, and the blood pressure lowering effects of cialis. I think this is a wise decision at this point in my life, as I want to cover as many bases as I can, so I can continue to improve. This time of your life is great if you’re doing it right and making your health an 80-90% priority. You can still enjoy life, but it’s good to minimize harms as well.
 
I will keep this informed as I go. The usual does for ezetimibe is 10mg daily, but I found studies that say the difference in action between 5mg and 10mg is essentially meaningless, and the tabs crack easy. I’m just taking 5mg every 3 days, so whatever effect it could have on my cholesterol wouldn’t be full therapy by any means. It’s essentially a - this could do a lot of good for very little risk. Same to be said with the 10 day effect aspirin has on blood platelets, and the blood pressure lowering effects of cialis. I think this is a wise decision at this point in my life, as I want to cover as many bases as I can, so I can continue to improve. This time of your life is great if you’re doing it right and making your health an 80-90% priority. You can still enjoy life, but it’s good to minimize harms as well.
5 vs 10 is great info I hadn't heard of that before, was esay to find once I read your post, great insight, TY
 
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Turned 44 the other day, and said this would be the year I start to proactively, add pharmaceuticals into my routine. I take all the standard supps. High dose omega 3, coQ, vit D3/K2.

I take 5mg cialis E3D
81mg aspirin E3D (keep two with me because you know never if you or someone else might need them)
I just added in 5mg ezetimibe E3D

So I take one of each alone on a day, and cycle them through.

I also, after 20 plus years of living with an anxiety disorder (health anxiety, most notably cardiac anxiety) I’ve decided to get some propranolol as a PRN. I’ve never taken medication for it before, I’ve just dealt with it, and have had somewhere in the range of 5000 panic attacks over 20 years. I wish I was lying. But I had multiple a day for years. I eventually learned how to live with them, but they still happen, so I’m just done with the elevations in my heart rate, and other factors the release of adrenaline does to my body. I’ve given myself the grace to snuff them out. I tried 10mg after having an anxious day lately and it worked well.

I do a ton of exercise, I’m lean, but I’m 44 and been on and off of steroids for 20 years. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to essentially micro dose some pharmaceuticals at this point in my life. Any suggestions, critiques?

I’m not interested in being made to look stupid. I’m just hoping for constructive criticism if there’s any, I’m trying to be my best self.

Thanks crew
I'm glad you have found coping mechanisms and a medication to help with anxiety. No different than diabetes or cancer, just a stigma with mental disease which is ridiculous. I can't imagine going through that - panic attacks or having chronic anxiety, the few times I had it when I knew it was time to say good bye to a beloved pet or a family member was sick - terrible, if it was chronic - it would be hard to live with. Good for you for having the strength to admit it and go to your doctor for help.
If you have been dabbling with PED drugs, there are some I would avoid like the plague - tren often makes everything worse and even if you don't have mental disease, many can't take it. Boldenone can cause anxiety. I would stick with low dose (if you cycle) - just TRT doses of test (nothing wrong with having high functioning testosterone levels which in my world is a few points over the top of the normal range. 100 mg of test takes me to the top over over the normal range, if there was primo I would recommend Primo if you wanted to add something but very hard to find (never used it but most react well to masteron). Deca/NPP in low doses is a good drug for size/strength but I wouldn't stray from those and if any caused concern, I would stick with testosterone alone.
Sounds like you are taking a good approach on the medication. Do you have high cholesterol? Lipid issues? I am not overly familiar with ezetimibe but did read there are a few (ezemtimibe is one) being used as a prophylactic treatment.
Do you find the propranol helps with the mental part of anxiety for you? I ask as it well known to control the physical signs of anxiety hence you could be anxious and it protects the fight or flight problem as the stress hormones that are released can't bind with receptors. I know many guys/gals who take it and it helps them. If it helps you - logical way to protect your body from the physical damage of anxiety.

No one is going to make you to try to make you look stupid, you just admitted something most people won't. If they do - they are just being a dick and ignore them. If everyone was honest, you would find anxiety/depression is rampant among the regular population and especially among those who abuse PED's.
I am advocate of low dose aspirin for its long lasting anti-platelet effects and if taken at night, it can lower your blood pressure. I have listened to enough cardiologists/GP's also speak about what is as close to a natural form of aspirin - I think everyone should take it. Cod liver oil - quality and yes it is expensive. It helps with aches and pains, is good for your well-being, a great source of EPA/DHA, inflammation (a serious enemy that if chronic can damage organs), is high in D and A even if not combined. It lowers lipids and is heart healthy. I would add in cod liver oil (thanks to funnyman, I switched to Carleson's) and believe it is the best, but be prepared to empty your wallet if you take a lot.
I take Vitamin D and K and agree with @gondar1 on magnesium.
As for protecting your organs in general and especially if taking PED's - NAC is a very reasonably priced supplement for increasing glutathione. Will help protect your entire body but in particular will protect your liver / some studies show it protects the kidneys and other studies indicate it did not.
A natural 'propanol' like supplement group are adaptogens and work in a similar fashion but I am sure they would not work as quick. I like Serenity Formula from Natural Factors but if I had to pick one adaptogen it would astragulus (Serenity formula has it as one of the 4 ingredients). It is one of the few herbs that help protect and support kidney health and may help your eGFR, plus it is good for your immune system.
You can go nuts on the supplements and herbs, but there are a few I would consider.
I have always been an advocate of SAMe, but use caution you if you are on any antidepressants. It is not a prescription drug in NA, but is in many countries and used for depression. I take it as it is as good as NAC (according to studies) to protect you liver (increasing glutathione) and what almost every vet tells you to give your animals if they have liver issues. It did as well as celebrex after a few weeks for arthritis pain, and helps many with depression/mental disease. I would talk with my doctor or a Naturopath - don't think it would make your worse, but would feel bad if it did.

Nigella Sativa is one of the best herbs for blood pressure - nicknamed the wonder herb for a reason. Worth a quick search to see the benefits. One of my relatives is on BP meds but his BP is still high, added NS and it lowered 10 points both for diastolic and systolic numbers.

A cheap and great anti-inflammatory/liver protectant and general healthy herb - ginger is a great addition. I buy it raw at the grocery store and but a chunk the size of half my thumb and eat it twice a day (just chew it wash it down), but many find the taste strong. Again, according to studies raw did much better than powder in its ability to protect your body from free radical damage.

If I was going to pick a multi-vitamin/mineral/herbal products it would be Genuine Health greens detox. There are other forumals more for multi vitamin mix, but I like the ingredients in the detox formula.

Last one I will mention is melatonin. One of the strongest antioxidants, helps keep the natural sleep rhythem (especially the dual action), did better than NAC protecting the liver against toxic substances, and did as well or better as steroidal eye drops for many eye issues. In general, considering its price - it is worth considering.

Sometimes we can take too much - aspirin, cod liver oil, ginger which could potentially thin blood and increase the risk of ulcer/bleeding issues. I have never had those issues and sounds like you have moderation down pat. Aspirin does come with potential side effects that can be disconcerting but no one can argue with the plethora of studies showing its anti-platelett, anti-cancer, and 'wonder drug' abilities to help people.
You can empty your wallet on supplements/herbal products which can cost a fortune, but luckily a healthy diet incorporating healthy/anti-inflammatory food will provide a lot of protection. Unfortunately, due to overfarming, the soil had been leached from so many needed minerals and nutrients it used to contain, hence adding to a healthy diet is a good idea.

If you want to discuss foods we can, but will cut it off there. Hope the changes you made help with health and the anxiety @Geo.

take care,
GR
 
I'm glad you have found coping mechanisms and a medication to help with anxiety. No different than diabetes or cancer, just a stigma with mental disease which is ridiculous. I can't imagine going through that - panic attacks or having chronic anxiety, the few times I had it when I knew it was time to say good bye to a beloved pet or a family member was sick - terrible, if it was chronic - it would be hard to live with. Good for you for having the strength to admit it and go to your doctor for help.
If you have been dabbling with PED drugs, there are some I would avoid like the plague - tren often makes everything worse and even if you don't have mental disease, many can't take it. Boldenone can cause anxiety. I would stick with low dose (if you cycle) - just TRT doses of test (nothing wrong with having high functioning testosterone levels which in my world is a few points over the top of the normal range. 100 mg of test takes me to the top over over the normal range, if there was primo I would recommend Primo if you wanted to add something but very hard to find (never used it but most react well to masteron). Deca/NPP in low doses is a good drug for size/strength but I wouldn't stray from those and if any caused concern, I would stick with testosterone alone.
Sounds like you are taking a good approach on the medication. Do you have high cholesterol? Lipid issues? I am not overly familiar with ezetimibe but did read there are a few (ezemtimibe is one) being used as a prophylactic treatment.
Do you find the propranol helps with the mental part of anxiety for you? I ask as it well known to control the physical signs of anxiety hence you could be anxious and it protects the fight or flight problem as the stress hormones that are released can't bind with receptors. I know many guys/gals who take it and it helps them. If it helps you - logical way to protect your body from the physical damage of anxiety.

No one is going to make you to try to make you look stupid, you just admitted something most people won't. If they do - they are just being a dick and ignore them. If everyone was honest, you would find anxiety/depression is rampant among the regular population and especially among those who abuse PED's.
I am advocate of low dose aspirin for its long lasting anti-platelet effects and if taken at night, it can lower your blood pressure. I have listened to enough cardiologists/GP's also speak about what is as close to a natural form of aspirin - I think everyone should take it. Cod liver oil - quality and yes it is expensive. It helps with aches and pains, is good for your well-being, a great source of EPA/DHA, inflammation (a serious enemy that if chronic can damage organs), is high in D and A even if not combined. It lowers lipids and is heart healthy. I would add in cod liver oil (thanks to funnyman, I switched to Carleson's) and believe it is the best, but be prepared to empty your wallet if you take a lot.
I take Vitamin D and K and agree with @gondar1 on magnesium.
As for protecting your organs in general and especially if taking PED's - NAC is a very reasonably priced supplement for increasing glutathione. Will help protect your entire body but in particular will protect your liver / some studies show it protects the kidneys and other studies indicate it did not.
A natural 'propanol' like supplement group are adaptogens and work in a similar fashion but I am sure they would not work as quick. I like Serenity Formula from Natural Factors but if I had to pick one adaptogen it would astragulus (Serenity formula has it as one of the 4 ingredients). It is one of the few herbs that help protect and support kidney health and may help your eGFR, plus it is good for your immune system.
You can go nuts on the supplements and herbs, but there are a few I would consider.
I have always been an advocate of SAMe, but use caution you if you are on any antidepressants. It is not a prescription drug in NA, but is in many countries and used for depression. I take it as it is as good as NAC (according to studies) to protect you liver (increasing glutathione) and what almost every vet tells you to give your animals if they have liver issues. It did as well as celebrex after a few weeks for arthritis pain, and helps many with depression/mental disease. I would talk with my doctor or a Naturopath - don't think it would make your worse, but would feel bad if it did.

Nigella Sativa is one of the best herbs for blood pressure - nicknamed the wonder herb for a reason. Worth a quick search to see the benefits. One of my relatives is on BP meds but his BP is still high, added NS and it lowered 10 points both for diastolic and systolic numbers.

A cheap and great anti-inflammatory/liver protectant and general healthy herb - ginger is a great addition. I buy it raw at the grocery store and but a chunk the size of half my thumb and eat it twice a day (just chew it wash it down), but many find the taste strong. Again, according to studies raw did much better than powder in its ability to protect your body from free radical damage.

If I was going to pick a multi-vitamin/mineral/herbal products it would be Genuine Health greens detox. There are other forumals more for multi vitamin mix, but I like the ingredients in the detox formula.

Last one I will mention is melatonin. One of the strongest antioxidants, helps keep the natural sleep rhythem (especially the dual action), did better than NAC protecting the liver against toxic substances, and did as well or better as steroidal eye drops for many eye issues. In general, considering its price - it is worth considering.

Sometimes we can take too much - aspirin, cod liver oil, ginger which could potentially thin blood and increase the risk of ulcer/bleeding issues. I have never had those issues and sounds like you have moderation down pat. Aspirin does come with potential side effects that can be disconcerting but no one can argue with the plethora of studies showing its anti-platelett, anti-cancer, and 'wonder drug' abilities to help people.
You can empty your wallet on supplements/herbal products which can cost a fortune, but luckily a healthy diet incorporating healthy/anti-inflammatory food will provide a lot of protection. Unfortunately, due to overfarming, the soil had been leached from so many needed minerals and nutrients it used to contain, hence adding to a healthy diet is a good idea.

If you want to discuss foods we can, but will cut it off there. Hope the changes you made help with health and the anxiety @Geo.

take care,
GR
Wow, GR. Thank you for this, I’m going to read and re read a few times and come back for reference. You certainly didn’t have to do all that. But, thank you for doing that. I’ll answer all the questions after work today, when I get a bit more time to comb through all this information. Thank you! Really, thank you.
 
Wow, GR. Thank you for this, I’m going to read and re read a few times and come back for reference. You certainly didn’t have to do all that. But, thank you for doing that. I’ll answer all the questions after work today, when I get a bit more time to comb through all this information. Thank you! Really, thank you.
Welcome - few other comments as you said you take Q10. It is a great product but I would take ubiquinol instead of Q10 as there is a lot of proof people over 40 have issues absorbing Q10 and the 'better' form of Q10 - Ubiquinol is a better choice. I checked my BP and it was probably a fluke but a combo of both seemed to make the biggest impact for me. If you search in the health section I put a study or paper in there ages ago.
Low dose cialis daily - is known to help the prostate too which will be a problem for almost every man at some point especially if you take excess hormones. Just my opinion but if I was going to take cialis for heart health too, at a low dose I would take it ED or EOD. Not that every third day isn't better than none at all or there is anything wrong with your protocol but with an approx. 17 hour half life 3 days is spreading it pretty thin on the third day. You would still have some but not much left in your system.
It builds up in your system due to its long half life plus corking the bat is kind of fun too lol.
Another two herbs I am a big advocate of. There isn't as much available to protect the kidneys as there is the liver. There are tons of double blind placebo studies on toxic substances and the animals (which is cruel, but a fact none the less) to determine what works. Not as many on the kidneys hence protecting your kidneys is important unless you like long trips and hours hooked up for dialysis.

Spirulina - once called a superfood is a blue green algae and is horrible if taken alone (it clumps up and your teeth are coated it in it. There is a fair amount in Natural Factors Greens detox and there is enough evidence in its ability to protect the kidneys. Again - studies in the health sections.
To prevent fatty liver, which is rampant among the normal population and can be somewhat benign or progress and very serious, old school bodybuilders used to take choline and inositol with the concept it would squeeze the fat out of your liver. Any truth to this - I can't find a tremendous amount of evidence but there is proof it helps shuttle / helping fat removal from the liver. Also thought to reduce cholesterol.
Regardless, I find there is more evidence that PC - phosphatidylcholine protects the liver, prevents fibrosis and reduces inflammation - again if you search I put some in the health section before. PC is not expensive and spirulina in Greens Detox is not bad considering you are getting several servings. The Combo of PC, ginger, and SAMe was a protocol I used for the liver with specific foods if anything I was taking had the potential for liver issues. It is worth noting if you blast high amount or orals, you may find your liver enzymes are high no matter what you take as they are helping to protect your liver and hopefully the liver will repair itself after.

As I mentioned you can go over the top with supplements/herbs, etc. I do not take all of these all the time. I rotate them throughout the year.
Best of luck on your health journey.
 
Heart racing anxiety attacks are scary at first. I don't get it often, like maybe once a year, but I remember the first time, thought I was going to die.
I learned how to calm myself so it would go away faster.
Anxiety is fucking wild ain't it ? I'm embarrassed to say that I used to largely dismiss it until a some years ago when it started happening to me. Thought it was just a lack of fortitude because I thrived under pressure, been in a bunch of situations that were action movie worthy and kept my cool. I'd hear about it or witness it and think "c'mon man just take a deep breathe, get a hold of yourself". Yeah, embarrassing.

First time it hit me I wondered if I was dying too, I had been just lying on the couch watching TV for an hour "hmm, feels like my HR is a bit high, lets see...160 WTF?" then it was ON.
I'm empathetic now to anyone who gets it, wish I had some brilliant advice other than have some sort of pre planned mechanism to fight it when it comes. Their are a few ways to deal with an attack, fairly individual I think.
As a prophylactic/chronic/preventative (pardon, idk the right word atm) I think Ashwagandha helps me.
Sorry for the slight derail @Geo but I was inspired to show some support and maybe push to normalize acceptance of it for you, me and anyone else who gets it.
 
Welcome - few other comments as you said you take Q10. It is a great product but I would take ubiquinol instead of Q10 as there is a lot of proof people over 40 have issues absorbing Q10 and the 'better' form of Q10 - Ubiquinol is a better choice. I checked my BP and it was probably a fluke but a combo of both seemed to make the biggest impact for me. If you search in the health section I put a study or paper in there ages ago.
Low dose cialis daily - is known to help the prostate too which will be a problem for almost every man at some point especially if you take excess hormones. Just my opinion but if I was going to take cialis for heart health too, at a low dose I would take it ED or EOD. Not that every third day isn't better than none at all or there is anything wrong with your protocol but with an approx. 17 hour half life 3 days is spreading it pretty thin on the third day. You would still have some but not much left in your system.
It builds up in your system due to its long half life plus corking the bat is kind of fun too lol.
Another two herbs I am a big advocate of. There isn't as much available to protect the kidneys as there is the liver. There are tons of double blind placebo studies on toxic substances and the animals (which is cruel, but a fact none the less) to determine what works. Not as many on the kidneys hence protecting your kidneys is important unless you like long trips and hours hooked up for dialysis.

Spirulina - once called a superfood is a blue green algae and is horrible if taken alone (it clumps up and your teeth are coated it in it. There is a fair amount in Natural Factors Greens detox and there is enough evidence in its ability to protect the kidneys. Again - studies in the health sections.
To prevent fatty liver, which is rampant among the normal population and can be somewhat benign or progress and very serious, old school bodybuilders used to take choline and inositol with the concept it would squeeze the fat out of your liver. Any truth to this - I can't find a tremendous amount of evidence but there is proof it helps shuttle / helping fat removal from the liver. Also thought to reduce cholesterol.
Regardless, I find there is more evidence that PC - phosphatidylcholine protects the liver, prevents fibrosis and reduces inflammation - again if you search I put some in the health section before. PC is not expensive and spirulina in Greens Detox is not bad considering you are getting several servings. The Combo of PC, ginger, and SAMe was a protocol I used for the liver with specific foods if anything I was taking had the potential for liver issues. It is worth noting if you blast high amount or orals, you may find your liver enzymes are high no matter what you take as they are helping to protect your liver and hopefully the liver will repair itself after.

As I mentioned you can go over the top with supplements/herbs, etc. I do not take all of these all the time. I rotate them throughout the year.
Best of luck on your health journey.
I would say that my blood pressure is quite low when I’m living my best life, meaning -eating well and no alcohol. My resting heart rate was at steady 52-54 upon waking over my diet. Bp at 110/65-70. When I loosen up on my diet and add back in some alcohol my vitals tend to go up. When that happens this way around, if it happens, I’ll consider the EOD with cialis, I’ve done this in the past. I guess on day 3 I’m still getting the intended hyper boost from the medications primary use. So I always thought to keep it as low, as possible, to not let my body get accustomed to it. This was advice given here, and it’s been good advice.

funny you mention ubiquinol because when I first took coQ it was that and I had a very real surge in energy when on. And I know the difference, takes much convincing. I haven’t had the same energy from coQ so I’m going to swap back. I had forgotten to be honest.

I guess my approach ia doing one heart healthy pharm med a day, in a 3 day cycle, but I’m open to combining some as well. I really appreciate your help GR. Again, this meant to prevent, relieve and improve. I think at this point in my life, given my past history, it’s a wise choice. I’ve always prided myself on not wanting or needing medication. That is exercise, diet, stubborn the issues away. But 44 rolls over to 88 so quick in my mind. It just seems like it’s time for this. I want to keep achieving, and I feel this - as I’ve said, giving myself the grace to allow in easy - controlled, and beneficial medication in, is just good sense.

Thanks again everyone
 
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Anxiety is fucking wild ain't it ? I'm embarrassed to say that I used to largely dismiss it until a some years ago when it started happening to me. Thought it was just a lack of fortitude because I thrived under pressure, been in a bunch of situations that were action movie worthy and kept my cool. I'd hear about it or witness it and think "c'mon man just take a deep breathe, get a hold of yourself". Yeah, embarrassing.

First time it hit me I wondered if I was dying too, I had been just lying on the couch watching TV for an hour "hmm, feels like my HR is a bit high, lets see...160 WTF?" then it was ON.
I'm empathetic now to anyone who gets it, wish I had some brilliant advice other than have some sort of pre planned mechanism to fight it when it comes. Their are a few ways to deal with an attack, fairly individual I think.
As a prophylactic/chronic/preventative (pardon, idk the right word atm) I think Ashwagandha helps me.
Sorry for the slight derail @Geo but I was inspired to show some support and maybe push to normalize acceptance of it for you, me and anyone else who gets it.
I’ve had so many that they’re just part of who I am. It’s a much deeper and profound issue with me, as I really let it sink its hooks in early in life, and ended up in a health anxiety spiral, it’s not simply just anxiety or panic for me, I could try and explain but it’d take forever. Picture above but all day, across all body systems, and the constant having to tell yourself you don’t have every fucking problem anxiety creates, which are seemingly endless, will experiencing the symptoms and staying stone faced with everyone around you. It’s been a complete war for decades, better and worse days for sure. I feel strong having brute forced the whole thing, and I have so much trust in my ability to calm and reassure, but at the end of the day. The objective spikes it causes in my vitals, it’s just time to end that part.

When I say there hasn’t been a symptom I haven’t felt, I really feel it’s true. I’ve felt what it’s like to die - according to people who have had the unfortunate experiences of both panic, and being close to death but were saved. I am a strong person. I remain humble. I remain in the mindset that everyone has their thing. A lot of silver linings have presented themselves over the years of suffering, I don’t regret my path, I wouldn’t change it, but I’m ready to drop that weight for what’s left of my life, and know I’ve carried more than my share.
 
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Propranolol for me doesn’t negate the mindset effects of anxiety, but it does negate the physical symptoms, which is the bigger issue for me. I’ve had to gut out so much of my physical goals, daily and long term, in the midst of anxiety. Especially in the gym, and with martial arts. It’s incredibly hard to be dealing exercise induced heart rate changes with anxiety combined to make it one super charged, horribly uncomfortable experience. I’ll never let it stop me. There is a part selfishly in me, that wishes people could have a sense of the levels of difficulty I had to go through to achieve, while simultaneously never wishing it on anyone all same.
 
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Thank you, I really appreciate you following up and hope things are going well for you.
You’re welcome my friend. I am feeling well. Hard to feel super great in this current world, but all things in my control I feel good! I hope same your way.
 
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