lowest BA %

animal-inside

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I know its a touchy subject, but what's the lowest BA% you've used and had no issues?

I've gone to 1.5% and I think next batch I will go 1%.

I found a significant enough difference in pain from 2% to 1.5% to continue brewing this % and I had no issues with sterility.
 
Preservatives differ through pharma producers so it’s not an easy question to answer.

I haven’t seen anything absolutely factual on the matter but I wouldn’t be going down past 1.5% myself. Saying that I have t really looked at the subject really as it’s never been an issue. I believe the 2%range is common in injects, but I can’t commit to that as fact.

I did find this which is interesting C2665EC8-2E19-4360-AAC3-60D89646CCC9.png
 
I don't know.. I can see pharmacy going to 1%.

Its crazy the difference between pharmacy stuff and any lab or home brew. Just can't compare for post injection pain.

I know for labs and homebrew, if I inject sub q it actually burns a bit going in. Pharmacy stuff doesn't.

Aside from BA, quality of powder, quality of oil and proper filtering what else could explain the difference of PIP?

I trust my powders are good.

I use pre filtered sterilzed cotton seed oil.

I double filter even with the pre filtered oil.

Not sure what else I can do ?


My homebrew is not painful, lol... until I got a scrip for test I never knew thought my homebrew was anything but the very best.
 
page 13 of the following document from Pfizer website shows that Delatestryl is mixed with 1% BB

https://www.pfizer.ca/sites/g/files...po-Testosterone_PM_E_181380_25_March_2015.pdf

i'll look for my .pdf that lists the "ingredients" for all Pfizer, Bayer, and Akrikhin products, and you'll see which compounds are best made with your cotton seed oil, and which use sesame or olive oil for good reason.

I'd love that info!!

I never thought different compounds are better suited to different oils. What's the reasoning?

I figured pharm stuff is lower than our standard 2%
 
the quick response is PADR/PADER Patient Adverse Drug Event Reporting .

Basically, when a new product hits the market, there's s process called Pharmacovigilance that tracks adverse drug events like PIP, so pharmaceutical manufacturers can improve their product based on user reactions. Preservatives and carrier agents are typically more responsible for adverse effects than 'active ingredients'. There's a percentage of failure built-in for all products because human error plays a role in the manufacturing process.

but...back to PIP...if enough people report it, then the company has to take action to rectify the PIP problem. If the problem is not resolved within a certain number of days then an audit of the process is done. There are scheduled audits and 'surprise' audits. If a company fails like 3 schedule audits, or say 1 scheduled and 1 surprise audit they are given X number of days to comply with FDA standards, or face fines and then have their product removed from FDA approval. The european system is considerably more stringent than the north american system, and compounds such as parabolan or omnadren or deca feel different than the american version because the preservatives, fillers and carriers have been more scrutinized and refined than those used in the north american system. i won't bore you with all the details, but for those who think that one oil is good for all powders...well, the European model shows that some powders bond better with different oils to keep the preservative levels low (all in controlled pharma labs) Try batching Test Prop in Olive Oil at low bb and lower ba concentrations, and try the same ratio for sesame oil and the same for cottonseed and the same for grapeseed, and you'll notice differences not only in PIP but also in dispersion rates, how less likely crash is for some oils, and even how high/low of a temp you can go to control the level of oxidation of the actual compound.

this was my job for over two years years...working to make sure that deca, primo, sustanon, proviron, and a host of other products were being made according to standard for a pharmaceutical company, and then supporting the upsell of these products into markets where other companies were already providing established goods.
 
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the quick response is PADR/PADER Patient Adverse Drug Event Reporting .

Basically, when a new product hits the market, there's s process called Pharmacovigilance that tracks adverse drug events like PIP, so pharmaceutical manufacturers can improve their product based on user reactions. Preservatives and carrier agents are typically more responsible for adverse effects than 'active ingredients'. There's a percentage of failure built-in for all products because human error plays a role in the manufacturing process.

but...back to PIP...if enough people report it, then the company has to take action to rectify the PIP problem. If the problem is not resolved within a certain number of days then an audit of the process is done. There are scheduled audits and 'surprise' audits. If a company fails like 3 schedule audits, or say 1 scheduled and 1 surprise audit they are given X number of days to comply with FDA standards, or face fines and then have their product removed from FDA approval. The european system is considerably more stringent than the north american system, and compounds such as parabolan or omnadren or deca feel different than the american version because the preservatives, fillers and carriers have been more scrutinized and refined than those used in the north american system. i won't bore you with all the details, but for those who think that one oil is good for all powders...well, the European model shows that some powders bond better with different oils to keep the preservative levels low (all in controlled pharma labs) Try batching Test Prop in Olive Oil at low bb and lower ba concentrations, and try the same ratio for sesame oil and the same for cottonseed and the same for grapeseed, and you'll notice differences not only in PIP but also in dispersion rates, how less likely crash is for some oils, and even how high/low of a temp you can go to control the level of oxidation of the actual compound.

this was my job for over two years years...working to make sure that deca, primo, sustanon, proviron, and a host of other products were being made according to standard for a pharmaceutical company, and then supporting the upsell of these products into markets where other companies were already providing established goods.

That might be the best info I've been given on a forum in the last 10 years... Thank you sir.

If you can actually get a list for which oils work best for which compounds I would be in heaven. Even the data sheet for pharm stuff for each compound would be awesome.
 
Delatestryl uses 0.5% chlorobutanol as a preservative from what I’ve seen. BB is not used as a preservative. That is not it’s primar function in aas preps and definitely not relied upon to provide anti colonizing properties. That pic above that I added shows the MIC’s for BA for a whole host of things of potential concern when making your preps.
 
Currently all my gear has been MCT oil and I love it

BA concentrate have ranged from
2-3% brews - 5% synthol
BB has been 18-20%

And pip has been good, I have noticed that CSO & GSO has higher pip than MCT

I can also tell now when a vial of gear should of been cooked longer or hotter Wich has also made a difference in how pip has been

All my home brews even 500mg/ml has been pip free but I've had a few vials from some labs were I've gone Whoa that's gonna hurt tommorow

You can feel the sting from the solvent as the pin is going in

or had to sit down after because metallic heavy lung happens from solvent over concentration
 
Currently all my gear has been MCT oil and I love it

BA concentrate have ranged from
2-3% brews - 5% synthol
BB has been 18-20%

And pip has been good, I have noticed that CSO & GSO has higher pip than MCT

I can also tell now when a vial of gear should of been cooked longer or hotter Wich has also made a difference in how pip has been

All my home brews even 500mg/ml has been pip free but I've had a few vials from some labs were I've gone Whoa that's gonna hurt tommorow

You can feel the sting from the solvent as the pin is going in

or had to sit down after because metallic heavy lung happens from solvent over concentration


How do you tell when a solution should have been cooked longer or hotter?
 
How do you tell when a solution should have been cooked longer or hotter?

When I inject and it very shortly after starts hurting
If there is pain and no heavy lung feeling metallic taste in mouth then solvent is probly on point
It looks clear so it's not crashed

Pain with heavy lungs feeling or metallic taste is usually cause of high solvent

ive shot crashed gear and non crashed and both have different pain associated

ive gotten some vials where if you looked at it you could see it was not cooked long enough or hot enough and could see the carrier swirl not gear crash and a good long bake solved it
 
When I inject and it very shortly after starts hurting
If there is pain and no heavy lung feeling metallic taste in mouth then solvent is probly on point
It looks clear so it's not crashed

Pain with heavy lungs feeling or metallic taste is usually cause of high solvent

ive shot crashed gear and non crashed and both have different pain associated

ive gotten some vials where if you looked at it you could see it was not cooked long enough or hot enough and could see the carrier swirl not gear crash and a good long bake solved it


Ah I see...... gear not completely dissolved, lack of a homogeneous solution or crashing is definitely an idication something has went awry!

Thanks sir!
 
Ah I see...... gear not completely dissolved, lack of a homogeneous solution or crashing is definitely an idication something has went awry!

Thanks sir!

Lol yes you better explained than me
But every situation that might be wrong has a different outcome and feeling once it's in you lol

The worst was when I didn't know what crashed gear was or the signs to look for and would pin it and instantly regret it
One lab from Montreal lol was painful memories
 
Lol yes you better explained than me
But every situation that might be wrong has a different outcome and feeling once it's in you lol

The worst was when I didn't know what crashed gear was or the signs to look for and would pin it and instantly regret it
One lab from Montreal lol was painful memories

Eesh!!!!! Not good! Lol
 
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