lol... it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Sorbate]

they rarely have legitimate responses

I find that on both spectrums of the political system.

It blows my mind that someone cannot get past their bias enough to actually look at things and work out what is actually happening.

As an example, liberals historically fund schools more, conservatives do not and expect that increases in performance should occur.

Well if we look at what happens historically (for the most part) after one party has blown all the money, someone needs to turn off the taps to stop the blooding and constant tax increases, which then leads to more money that needs to be funded. Now if people would wait long enough with the party that balances the books then extra funding can occur that will not cause increased taxes or borrowing of money.

It reminds me of when Klein first got into power. He cut things like crazy, then once the budget was balanced and the debt was being paid down, he increased spending in all areas. But at first he expected that the belt was tightened to reduce waste.

Chrétien did the same thing. So it’s has occurred on both sides of the political landscape (right now we have a moron running the governement). Difference was though, since specific people love their particular party so much, when their chosen party decides do tighten the belt, they are ok with it, it was the right thing to do, but if the other side does, he is evil and trying to destroy education.

Another example. Whynn promised billions before she left power. Obviously that was not sustainable and a grasp to stay in power. When she was ousted by Ford, he only gave the same funding as what was originally in the works and everyone screamed cuts. It wasn’t cuts, just not the fairy tail promises someone on their last leg was doling out.

ANd who did the most damage to healthcare, the Mcguinty/Whynn Ontario liberals, they underfunded for years, closed more hospitals than any other premiers in power. Then a couple years before the vote, dumped in a ton of money, and everyone confidently forgot what had happened before. Now I cannot remember the Conservative’s name before that, and they accused him of killing healthcare, but he streamlined it, built new hospitals, and closed smaller ones that were too expensive to operate thru numerous issues, like maintenance or overlapping staff.

But you can argue over this all day, the news says conservatives are bad, liberals good and lots of people do not look past that.

 

[Sorbate]

I definitely agree on the Vape/weed thing.
How many young kids are vaping? It's out of hand, but there are laws against it.

I tend to jump on anything thus government does because they have made such a mess put of the country. I really don't care about the porn much, I think what os really eating me is the inability to share news on social media. This is absolutely a move to control, not protect. I'm at the point with this government I have to question everything they do.

Kids vape now, my generation everyone smoked.

Both are horrible.

 

[Trenbolone&Cheese]

What worries me is that this is the first steps to requiring a digital ID to go online. It's a thing the left wants and will eventually get.

I find it so odd that for “progress” they think they need control. I think that’s 1000 steps in the wrong direction.

Such a massive issue is groupthink. We have 2 parties that basically no matter the situation will pose eachother, then go back to their table and all say the same things and yell “good answer!” like they’re on family feud.

 

[aGuyFromWinnipeg]

I definitely agree on the Vape/weed thing.
How many young kids are vaping? It's out of hand, but there are laws against it.

I tend to jump on anything thus government does because they have made such a mess put of the country. I really don't care about the porn much, I think what os really eating me is the inability to share news on social media. This is absolutely a move to control, not protect. I'm at the point with this government I have to question everything they do.

My 16 year old vapes. It's so easy to get because you can buy it at almost any store. Same with weed. The market is so saturated that store owners are selling to minors to pay bills. If it was regulated like booze you wouldn't be seeing what we are seeing today. I was all for the mom-and-pop shops being granted licenses, but I've 180d on it now.

There are also laws against distributing porn to minors, just no regulation on how porn gets distributed. My kid signed up for a Brazers account cause he thought it was 99 cents. then they started charging $40 a month and wouldn't stop. Almost impossible to get them to stop until we said he was 16. Amazing how fast they stopped and refunded all his money. We weren't even trying to get a refund.

 

[aGuyFromWinnipeg]

Kids vape now, my generation everyone smoked.

Both are horrible.

I feel like way more vape. My kid says about 75% of his school vapes. When I was young it was probably 25% smoked, maybe 50% puffed when drinking. 3 of my kid's friends buy wholesale online and sell them for profit. I admire the hustle but it's just way too easy to get. You can also smoke anywhere. Kids stick their heads in their lockers and take a pull. 100% of the kids on his hockey team vape... they vape in the showers after games.

even some kids in middle school vape. It's pretty out of control.

 

[Sorbate]

I feel like way more vape. My kid says about 75% of his school vapes. When I was young it was probably 25% smoked, maybe 50% puffed when drinking. 3 of my kid's friends buy wholesale online and sell them for profit. I admire the hustle but it's just way too easy to get. You can also smoke anywhere. Kids stick their heads in their lockers and take a pull.

even some kids in middle school vape. It's pretty out of control.

Yeah I guess it was likely only 25% that smoked in school for us as well. Lots vape.
Vaping is easy. I can sit on the couch, wait till my wife leaves the room take a puff and no one knows.

I had to actually reduce myself because it was so easy, and it doesn’t screw your lungs and make your mouth taste like shit like cigerettes do.

My cardio capacity has massivly increased since I switched.

 

[CosmicJuiceBoxx]

The ridiculous thing is you have these pride parades where absolute freaks are doing lude acts in public. Kids can opt to do sex changes, hide the fact that they want to be called a different gender at school from their parents. BC wants to issue "safe fentanyl" to minors without parental consent.

The government has been implicated in corruption countless times. We cant share news on social media. Sending Billions to Ukraine. We have a massive drug and homeless problem. Affordability is a thing of the past for many people. Crime rates at all time highs. But hey let's ban straws and plastic bags, oh and while we are at it let's make it tough to log into porn. Boy this Liberal government is stellar!

On the note of the straws and enviroment/ carbon tax shit.. seems pretty futile when mass, dense populated counties like China and India and burning tires to dispose of them. But lets go electric over here, lets pay 25 cents per bag now. Feels like we take the step forward but other places take the once step back. Where are we even going...
Edit for typo.

 

[musclememory]

I find that on both spectrums of the political system.

It blows my mind that someone cannot get past their bias enough to actually look at things and work out what is actually happening.

As an example, liberals historically fund schools more, conservatives do not and expect that increases in performance should occur.

Well if we look at what happens historically (for the most part) after one party has blown all the money, someone needs to turn off the taps to stop the blooding and constant tax increases, which then leads to more money that needs to be funded. Now if people would wait long enough with the party that balances the books then extra funding can occur that will not cause increased taxes or borrowing of money.

It reminds me of when Klein first got into power. He cut things like crazy, then once the budget was balanced and the debt was being paid down, he increased spending in all areas. But at first he expected that the belt was tightened to reduce waste.

Chrétien did the same thing. So it’s has occurred on both sides of the political landscape (right now we have a moron running the governement). Difference was though, since specific people love their particular party so much, when their chosen party decides do tighten the belt, they are ok with it, it was the right thing to do, but if the other side does, he is evil and trying to destroy education.

Another example. Whynn promised billions before she left power. Obviously that was not sustainable and a grasp to stay in power. When she was ousted by Ford, he only gave the same funding as what was originally in the works and everyone screamed cuts. It wasn’t cuts, just not the fairy tail promises someone on their last leg was doling out.

ANd who did the most damage to healthcare, the Mcguinty/Whynn Ontario liberals, they underfunded for years, closed more hospitals than any other premiers in power. Then a couple years before the vote, dumped in a ton of money, and everyone confidently forgot what had happened before. Now I cannot remember the Conservative’s name before that, and they accused him of killing healthcare, but he streamlined it, built new hospitals, and closed smaller ones that were too expensive to operate thru numerous issues, maintenance or overlapping staff.

But you can argue over this all day, the news says conservatives are bad, liberals good and lots of people do not look past that.

the conservative before that I believe was Mike Harris. The liberals of today are not the same as the liberals of the past. This new crop is not interested in Canada getting better as that doesn't fit into their WEF bosses plan. They don't give two fucks about Canada and it shows. They need to be decimated in the next election and lose official party status in the process. The NDP too deserves the same fate.

 

[RigPig]

Hearing about kids buying wholesale vape shit and selling for profit makes me chuckle to be honest.
Reminds me of being a kid back in Cape Breton, I stole a pack of smokes from my moms carton, sold them for 25c each, walked to the rez and bought more at $2.50 per pack back then and kept that hustle going lol.
I spent more time slinging smokes and gambling with quarters then I ever spent in a classroom lol.
Anyone else ever play that quarter game where everyone lined up and tossed their quarter toward the wall, who ever had their quarter land and stay the closest to the wall won the rest…

Fuck me life was so much more simple back then lol.

 

[animal-inside]

I have 5 immediate family members who work in the education system in Alberta, you’re 100% right about the majority hating Smith. It’s mind boggling to me how they can be so narrow minded and loyal to the Liberal party.

Yup.... the handful of conservative teachers I know are very hush hush about it lol.. sad actually.

Most teachers are NDP more so then liberal from my experince.. When I ask why I am often told "conservatives don't value teachers.. you'll never get a raise as long as they are in power".. My response was "Last NDP premier we had was Rachel Notely.. She spent more tax money than any other premier in history.. esepcially on public servants.. She was in charge for 4 years.. did she give us a raise?"... Of course NDP rachel did not give us a cent raise.. So the I ask how come they continue to support NDP? They often have no answer.. Then I follow up with "when was the last time in AB history did teachers get a substantial raise?"... No NDP/Lib teacher ever has an answer to that question.. So then I tell them "Ed stalmach the conservative Preimere gave us the last substantial raise about 15 years ago"...

My wife and daughter are the only two that speak in favor of Smith, but they don’t get into it at work with anyone else and we don’t get into at family gatherings either. There are very few educators who feel the same way they do. Those of you that aren’t die hard NDP or Liberal supporters are a rare breed in the education system! I know my wife has a few in her school that are have conservative values, not very many though lol.

Like I said, being a conservative educator is a blasphemy it seems..

To be honest, teachers are some of the dumbest people I have ever meet.. Not in terms of book smarts, but in terms of common sense they are just dumb..

 

[Trenbolone&Cheese]

Most teachers are NDP more so then liberal from my experince.. When I ask why I am often told "conservatives don't value teachers.. you'll never get a raise as long as they are in power".. My response was "Last NDP premier we had was Rachel Notely.. She spent more tax money than any other premier in history.. esepcially on public servants.. She was in charge for 4 years.. did she give us a raise?"... Of course NDP rachel did not give us a cent raise.. So the I ask how come they continue to support NDP? They often have no answer.. Then I follow up with "when was the last time in AB history did teachers get a substantial raise?"... No NDP/Lib teacher ever has an answer to that question.. So then I tell them "Ed stalmach the conservative Preimere gave us the last substantial raise about 15 years ago"...

people vote to who they think will benefit them. that’s why most people in the military vote conservative, as the cons are much more likely to raise military spending.

 

[RigPig]

people vote to who they think will benefit them. that’s why most people in the military vote conservative, as the cons are much more likely to raise military spending.

You’re not wrong, I’ll vote for anyone that is going to support my industry.
I’ve said it to the wife for years now, if the conservatives would look out for teachers and healthcare professionals the way they look out for industry and agriculture, they’d never loose.

 

[Sorbate]

You’re not wrong, I’ll vote for anyone that is going to support my industry.
I’ve said it to the wife for years now, if the conservatives would look out for teachers and healthcare professionals the way they look out for industry and agriculture, they’d never loose.

Thing is by the time they get into government the liberals have blown the back. Industry creates revenues, teachers and healthcare is a cost.
So the boost industry to try and increase revenue and expect streamlining to happen in the other two. As I said, if they were left in power long enough then the funding would happen once things were paid down, but people get tired of living within their means and vote the liberals back in.

 

[musclememory]

Thing is by the time they get into government the liberals have blown the back. Industry creates revenues, teachers and healthcare is a cost.
So the boost industry to try and increase revenue and expect streamlining to happen in the other two. As I said, if they were left in power long enough then the funding would happen once things were paid down, but people get tired of living within their means and vote the liberals back in.

fully agree

 

[Scotian]

I touched on this on my last post. This government could actually do something right one day by some miracle and I would think there must be a catch because of all the wrong they have done.

What worries me is that this is the first steps to requiring a digital ID to go online. It's a thing the left wants and will eventually get.

This is the same way I view any issues this government brings forward now, after the mess they made so far I would be in shock if they ever got something right.

I can’t wrap my head around how anyone liberal or not can support them after what they have done to our economy, freedom, boarders and the arrivecan, WE foundation, SNL lavalin, etc scandals.

There is study’s showing we have the fastest declining quality of life in the western world, also the largest housing bubble in the world and we are still taking in immigrants at record rates.