Joint support.

Punisher95 said:
i always run 3000 iu of D i got hip bursitus because of my job I am trying to avoid cortisone shots I will try to up it
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For the average person 3000 wont do very much, sure youll see some benefits. But to truly benefit from Vitamin D it has to be alot higher. Dr,s will say "going high is dangerous" (Which is absolute bs). I did the exact same thing, started at 5 k. Didnt see very much, but as soon as I went to 10 K thats when all my joints and inflammation felt alot better. I went from walking up stairs slowly to running up and down np. The difference was huge for me. Again taking it with a high fat meal is recommended.

Of course make sure you are taking K2 with it. Also every so often get your vitamin d levels checked just to see where you are sitting. 10 k should put people in the upper range.
 
The_Night_King said:
For the average person 3000 wont do very much, sure youll see some benefits. But to truly benefit from Vitamin D it has to be alot higher. Dr,s will say "going high is dangerous" (Which is absolute bs). I did the exact same thing, started at 5 k. Didnt see very much, but as soon as I went to 10 K thats when all my joints and inflammation felt alot better. I went from walking up stairs slowly to running up and down np. The difference was huge for me. Again taking it with a high fat meal is recommended.

Of course make sure you are taking K2 with it. Also every so often get your vitamin d levels checked just to see where you are sitting. 10 k should put people in the upper range.
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I can second that. I have a south American background and living in Canada I need 10k minimum. I find that d is a little DNA dependant also.
I take close to 20 in the winter which puts me in the upper range.
When I feel like I'm getting sick, I take 50k on that day, and surely enough I start feeling better the next day.
 
I will start upping my vitamin D as well. I heard 10k iu was the sweet spot, and I did it for a while, but it was long enough ago that I can’t recall how sore my joints were.
Another thing that I can add into the mix for relief, and other benefits. I tolerated 10k iu fine, I wasn’t taking magnesium or vit K then, but am now. Along with a laundry list of other supps. I really think CoQ-10 is good for my energy. I also take a lot of omega 3, b vit complex, half a tab every other day, and vitamin E as well. Along with the vitamin D and K. I take a multi gummy every few days just to get a dose of what I might be missing, one gummy is a half dose, and it’s like 2-3 times a week.

Again, all you guys.. thanks for this.
There’s a lot of great info here, and thanks for taking the time. I actually really appreciate it.
 
The_Night_King said:
For the average person 3000 wont do very much, sure youll see some benefits. But to truly benefit from Vitamin D it has to be alot higher. Dr,s will say "going high is dangerous" (Which is absolute bs). I did the exact same thing, started at 5 k. Didnt see very much, but as soon as I went to 10 K thats when all my joints and inflammation felt alot better. I went from walking up stairs slowly to running up and down np. The difference was huge for me. Again taking it with a high fat meal is recommended.

Of course make sure you are taking K2 with it. Also every so often get your vitamin d levels checked just to see where you are sitting. 10 k should put people in the upper range.
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I ca attest to this and D3 has definitely been a game changer for me from the get go. Been taking It for more than ten years and besides the Inmune system boost, It has also helped in bone and joint support and knock on wood, I'm 58 now hopefully lasts for the long run. Started and stayed at 5000IU's for the most part, but for the last two years, I've upped the dosage gravitating on the 10,000IU mark, mostly in the winter when most fucks tend to get sick and spread it all over, especially in the gym, and It has helped tremendously. Still trying to hit big weights and joints have been so far so good.

Lots of Medical Articles on this subject and this Site
particularly has lots of them for your research pleasure.

https://www.ergo-log.com/in-vitro-study-vitamin-D-helps-muscle-cells-grow.html
 
Goldenrod said:
There are many options - not sure one is best but physical therapy (either yourself or get a regular massage, see a Chiro, Osteopath, etc). I agree with foam rolling and use a rock hard ball as well. I find the knots and work to loosen the muscles. I get a regular massage and see a chiropractor once a month. Can't emphasize no matter how big you get, you will need to stretch more. The massive guys I watch at the gym who struggle to tie their shoes - not joking, they could probably do a little more stretching which is only going to help stretch the fascia and potentially result in more gains.

Those will often help keep you mobile but if your referring to the fact you beat the shit out of your joints for decades with weights - they may not be able to help as much but I would still recommend it.
Products that helped (outside NSAIDS or pain relievers you buy from a pharmacy):
1. Curcumin and ginger are both great anti-inflammatory herbs. I eat fresh ginger and use injectable curcumin because the oral bioavailability is terrible unless get enough piperine too.
2. It will take time but for knees and some joints / I don't get relief from - glucosamine/chondroiten/MSM works but expect to take the recommended dosage for three months before you see any difference.
3. Collagen - I don't take collagen itself but take the building blocks of collagen - L-lysine, L-proline, L-arginine, L-glycine (I do not take all of these products year round - I may take 1 for a few months, 2 and 3 for a few months, and so on.) but have beat myself up over the years and still do so I rotate through the year.
4. For inflammation - BCP (not BPC157). https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7692661/ - I buy an injectable form and yes it helps but is no magic cure. It helps, and I always have injectable BCP on hand.
5. Peptides - copper peptide may help, few times a year I will run BCP157 and TB500 together, especially if I have an injury. There is enough evidence to convince me of the healing and health benefits of BPC157 in particular. I also like TB500 but don't use it as much.
6. You may wish to try Lakota - look up their product line and see if one fits you best and give it a try.

The goal as @CoolRick said is to keep mobile - flexibility so stretching, mobility work, home foam work, ball rolling, and visits to physical medicine practioshioners before an issue comes up is a good idea as you get older. Doesn't matter how much foam rolling or lazer I get on my right knee - the only things that help are the anti-inflammatory products and trying to rebuild the cartilage / collagen.

Just gave you a bunch of ideas and probably too many. It is trial and error from here. Try to figure out which works the best.
@Sorbate mentioned deca and yes it will provide relief for joints but I am leery on taking it long term. Just my opion - small doses are 'probably' safe for months but I would not take it year round in any dosage. I admit to doing the same for a few months at a low dose. Some gents here use year round - just a choice I made, considering the potential of left ventrical hypertrophy if you use a lot of for extended periods.
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@Goldenrod what do you feel is the difference between BCP and BPC157?

when you take BPC157 do you buy it combined with TB500?

thanks!
 
ClearWater said:
@Goldenrod what do you feel is the difference between BCP and BPC157?

when you take BPC157 do you buy it combined with TB500?

thanks!
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If you look up BCP - some of the reported benefits are:
  • Anti-inflammatory: BCP is known for its ability to reduce inflammation by activating CB2 receptors and modulating inflammatory pathways.
  • Analgesic (Pain Relief): By activating CB2 receptors, BCP can help alleviate pain, especially chronic and neuropathic pain, without the psychoactive effects associated with CB1 receptor activation.
  • Neuroprotective: Research suggests BCP may protect the nervous system by reducing inflammation and oxidative stress in the brain.
  • Anxiolytic and Antidepressant: BCP's interaction with the ECS and its ability to reduce inflammation may contribute to its potential mood-enhancing and anxiety-reducing effects.
  • Gastrointestinal Health: Studies indicate BCP may help protect and heal the gastrointestinal tract, potentially alleviating symptoms of conditions like inflammatory bowel disease.
  • Antioxidant: BCP exhibits antioxidant properties, helping to protect cells from damage caused by free radicals
Like I said it isn't like 400 mg of IBUprofen but is healthy according to my reading and is not a peptide. I believe it is a Terpene and cannabinoid and helps more with inflammation/pain, general health.
BPC157 is a peptide with reported results for injuries which I concur it is good for many, but not magic panacea.
A quick search indicates it may - keep in mind there are limited human studies:
  • Tissue Healing & Repair:
    • Tendon & Ligament Repair: May promote healing of tendon and ligament injuries by enhancing collagen production and accelerating recovery.
    • Muscle Repair: Could support muscle regeneration and reduce muscle wasting.
    • Wound Healing: May improve wound healing by promoting angiogenesis (new blood vessel formation), increasing blood flow to the injured area, and potentially reducing inflammation.
    • Bone Healing: Might aid in bone fracture repair and bone regeneration.
  • Gut Health:
    • Gut Lining Repair: May promote the healing and regeneration of the gut lining, potentially benefiting conditions like leaky gut syndrome and inflammatory bowel disease (IBD).
    • Gut Inflammation: May reduce inflammation in the gut, which could be beneficial for individuals with digestive disorders.
    • Gut Motility: May help regulate gut motility, potentially alleviating constipation and other motility-related issues.
    • Gut Protection: Might offer protection against stomach ulcers and the adverse effects of NSAIDs and alcohol on the gut lining.
  • Anti-Inflammatory & Pain Management:
    • Reduced Inflammation: May help reduce inflammation in various parts of the body, potentially leading to pain relief and faster healing.
    • Pain Relief: Could contribute to pain management by reducing inflammation and promoting tissue repair.
  • Other Potential Benefits:
    • Neuroprotective Effects: Some studies suggest potential neuroprotective effects, including improved cognitive function and reduced symptoms of neurological disorders.
    • Cardiovascular Health: Research indicates potential benefits for cardiovascular health, including improved blood flow and reduced blood pressure.
    • Protection Against Alcohol and NSAID Damage: BPC-157 might help protect against the damaging effects of alcohol and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs on various tissues and organs.
It is not related to BCP but over the years considering I don't take large doses of PED's, orals, so I turn to a multitude of injectables for health reasons, I look for alternative healing peptides/products. This includes supplements and BPC157, TB500, BCP, and injectable curcumin. For my train of thought taking these at different times during the year is like going to the chiropractor or massage therapy before an injury occurs.

Yes and no to BPC157 and TB500 - usually I take both together for a month (if I have an injury) - daily injections (if you want dosages I take higher dosages and titrate down). I end TB500 after about a month but will usually run BPC157 for 2-3 months. For my Achilles tendons it was magic and I mean magic (pain for years gone in a month and never came back) but for a chest injury and knee injury it did very little. It also carries health benefits and protects your organs from what I have read. Organ translants - it is being exlored to help reduce rejection, it significantly reduced my liver enzymes. A quick search on studies and health benefits indicated it helps protect your organs and helps you heal. They are simply different compounds with different effects but combined BCP and BPC157 had helped me keep active doing the active sports I enjoy. At least I find they are. Know the source as the cheapest is not always the best and the cost of BPC157 has doubled over the last few years I assume due to it's popularity and hope you can continue to workout with significant injuries. You can't - you need to do the rehab, and then slowly get back to where you were. That is just my opinion from more injuries I care to mention.
Sorry for the long reply - I just cut and pasted the benefits but a long read and you will get more info.

take care,
GR
 
For those looking for a natural topical treatment I'm finding some relief using castor oil. I'd just wake up and my elbows would sort of ache, so I tested it on one arm only and it was pain free within two days of using it. I'm using a high quality organic castor oil in a glass bottle.

I have a supraspinatus injury that is healing on it's own although a bit slow so I'll be trying BPC 157 for the first time and I'll be back to report my results.
 
I have had knee pain for years which prevented me from doing certain exercises.
I started taking Glucosamine/MSM/Chondritin and after about 3 months I could feel the difference.
 
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