Injectable nebido is coming to Canada

[Stiranko]

Injectable testosterone undecanoate under branded (Nebido) will be available for TRT in Canada soon enough. Nebido needs to be injected at 11 to 14 weeks, although most feel this way to long and creates peaks and valleys. Although some inject it once a month at a modified dosage. No idea how popular this will be in Canada, but many in europe prefer it over the shorter acting esters and most do not feel any fluctuations if taken once a month at least. Another branded testosterone enanthate (testoviron) or by Bayer is still on the list for approval. Thisis supposed to be a brander replacement for Delateatryl. But still pending. I feel nebido will be popular for those who prefer fewer injections. Only time will tell.

Apotex licenses exclusive Canadian rights to testosterone replacement therapy Nebido® from Grünenthal

 

[Ldtag]

Thank you for the update. It would be nice to have more options.

 

[RigPig]

I’ll gladly do once per month (or longer) for TRT if I have the choice!

 

[Sorbate]

So if oyu were injecting test e at 125 mg a week how would this translate?

So 600mg once a month to make up for ester weight?

 

[Cheapshot]

So if oyu were injecting test e at 125 mg a week how would this translate?

So 600mg once a month to make up for ester weight?

The old data I saw from Europe was 1000mg in 1 shot. But it was every 3,4 months

 

[gondar1]

@Stiranko I'm def in the higher frequency suggested club here. I think I have posted some theoretical math here before, probably regarding UGL product with a different oil though which appears to have a large effect. I can't say without ripping through old notes but I think I settled on that , for me, if i was gonna try this stuff it would be about every 3 weeks (again important to remember that I can't recall which oil).
Curious on your personal thoughts or how you would advise clients if you've ever had time to consider it.

 

[Mfg Eng]

I saw it all over in the Caribbean. It’s 250ml/ml in castor oil. Come in 4 ampule packages. Best price I saw was about $126USD. Administer all 4 every 3mths or so. Castor oil slows absorption rates but I believe it has about 50% or so BB. Needs to be front loaded as well.

 

[Stiranko]

So if oyu were injecting test e at 125 mg a week how would this translate?

So 600mg once a month to make up for ester weight?

Nebido comes in both amps and vials both measuring 4 ml of liquid solution. For multi use, the vials are a preferred choice since they will be used more than once and could be administered at 600 mgs per month which is the equivalent to 125 mgs a week. However with nebido is not all about numbers . It releases very slow into the system and can make your test levels appear much higher for some reason as it should be more absorbent. So 100 mgs a week could equal the equivalent to 125 mgs of cyp or enanthate. I`ve seen people on Nebido using it once a month at 2 mls and there testosterone levels remained unchanged from the first week to the 4th week.

So let`s say week 1 , your testosterone levels score at 800 ng, within the 4th week, numbers were around 750 ng. Nebido works very different as it really keeps testosterone levels very consistent and you do not get huge peaks and valleys like you do with enanthate. In your case, i would inject 2mls once a month and monitor from there. Your testosterone numbers might even be higher than they are with enanthate and cypionate.

 

[Stiranko]

The old data I saw from Europe was 1000mg in 1 shot. But it was every 3,4 months

The european Data is very outdated actually. This creates many peaks and valleys . Most on nebido will keep injecting every 4 week or every 10 weeks. This is why Nebido started with multi use vials compared to a single use amp.

 

[Stiranko]

@Stiranko I'm def in the higher frequency suggested club here. I think I have posted some theoretical math here before, probably regarding YGL product with a different oil though which appears to have a large effect. I can't say without ripping through old notes but I think I settled on that , for me, if i was gonna try this stuff it would be about every 3 weeks (again important to remember that I can't recall which oil).
Curious on your personal thoughts or how you would advise clients if you've ever had time to consider it.

Nebido uses castor oil and its a super slow releasing oil. You will definitely not get the same pump you do with enanthate or cypionate . THis is strictly for TRT purposes and its pretty much impossible to use for muscle building purposes. I would advise people to use within 4 week intervals. I have seen blood tests from week 1 and week 4 and testosterone levels were still very consistent. Much more than the shorter esters. I have also seen blood tests from week 5 and numbers just dropped slightly. From my research, testosterone levels on Nebido never really begin to drop after week 5 ends. Which is why the 11 to 14 week protocol used by clinics. I believe 2 mls every 4 weeks is a good standard protocol and will keep your testosterone levels in the upper range.

 

[Cheapshot]

The european Data is very outdated actually. This creates many peaks and valleys . Most on nebido will keep injecting every 4 week or every 10 weeks. This is why Nebido started with multi use vials compared to a single use amp.

Yes I agree, I was using it every 2 weeks for 3 uears and felt great

 

[Mfg Eng]

Nebido uses castor oil and its a super slow releasing oil. You will definitely not get the same pump you do with enanthate or cypionate . THis is strictly for TRT purposes and its pretty much impossible to use for muscle building purposes.

?? You have an opinion. Opinions are opinions not fact. From a biomedical point you can’t be further from the truth my friend with respect to pump and not muscle building purposes. Testosterone is testosterone.

Please explain your reasoning in detail. I would like to know. I will explain mine in great detail. I feel more than comfortable typing it out and sending to a third party before you answer so I am not appearing to sit back counter punching (like an ankle biting mini dog) which is far too easy to do.

Let’s see your true understanding of the true biomechanics of hormones.

I am sick of your bullshit and you are leading others into believing the crap that is coming out of your mouth.

I’ve been around a while now and it’s only once every two or three years I blow up on someone- this is your turn pal. I explode on a couple of things per year but they are never a person on this board. The last one was a 26yr old punk from downtown Ottawa that started a thread called “The Hustle” and look where is now these many years after. The shit you are spewing out your mouth is turning my crank almost as much. Your have next to no time into this site with not much meaningful contributions so bite your fingers with respect to dispensing important, detailed information.

Stop trying to pretend you know what you are truly speaking of, read and learn before trying to dispense detailed information again.

Thank you so much for your understanding and more importantly your co-operation in this matter before I really tear you apart

 

[Stiranko]

?? You have an opinion. Opinions are opinions not fact. From a biomedical point you can’t be further from the truth my friend with respect to pump not muscle building purposes. Testosterone is testosterone.

Please explain your reasoning in detail. I would like to know. I will explain mine in great detail. I feel more than comfortable typing it out and sending to a third party before you answer so I am not appearing to sit back counter punching (like an ankle biting mini dog) which is far too easy to do.

Let’s see your true understanding of the true biomechanics of hormones.

I am sick of your bullshit and you are leading others into believing the crap that is coming out of your mouth.

I’ve been around a while now and it’s only once every two or three years I blow up on someone- this is your turn pal. I explode on a few things per year but they are never a person on this board.

Stop trying to pretend you know what you are truly speaking of, read and learn before trying to dispense detailed information again.

Thank you so much for your understanding and and more so your co-operation before I really tear you apart

Thank you for your message, but you are wrong actually when it comes to testosterone. Ask anyone who has ever used prop or Cyp and they will tell you that prop gives you a better pump and less water retention despite having the same blood levels.

Testosterone undecanoate was never really used for bodybuilding purpose because it releases too slow into the system and would create a less desirable anabolic effect. Enanthate and prop will always be favoured for muscle building purposes.

This is also reason why sustanon 250 went out of favour and Enanthate and prop still remain the top choices.

You are free to share your opinion and this is what forums are for. But almost anyone who has tried diffirent testosterones will tell you that they all feel diffirent. Mentally, Physically and libido wise.

It's not in their head. The speed testosterone is released into your blood stream will have a diffirent impact. It will also have a different impact on your estrogen as well.

But I do respect your opinion. And for the record. I have studied hormones for over 10 years and Co owned a couple of TRT clinics. So I have seen my experiences first hand. Hope you have a great weekend

 

[Mfg Eng]

Thank you for your message, but you are wrong actually when it comes to testosterone. Ask anyone who has ever used prop or Cyp and they will tell you that prop gives you a better pump and less water retention despite having the same blood levels.

Testosterone undecanoate was never really used for bodybuilding purpose because it releases too slow into the system and would create a less desirable anabolic effect. Enanthate and prop will always be favoured for muscle building purposes.

This is also reason why sustanon 250 went out of favour and Enanthate and prop still remain the top choices.

You are free to share your opinion and this is what forums are for. But almost anyone who has tried diffirent testosterones will tell you that they all feel diffirent. Mentally, Physically and libido wise.

It's not in their head. The speed testosterone is released into your blood stream will have a diffirent impact. It will also have a different impact on your estrogen as well.

But I do respect your opinion. And for the record. I have studied hormones for over 10 years and Co owned a couple of TRT clinics. So I have seen my experiences first hand. Hope you have a great weekend

You are still not offering any detailed biomedical rebuttal. Not even in the same universe as a well thought out counter point. Please, silence now.

 

[Stiranko]

You are still not offering any detailed biomedical rebuttal. Not even in the same universe as a well thought out counter point. Please, silence now.

There is really nothing to rebuttal. You seem to be frustrated and taking discussions way to serious. you shouldn’t be letting things get to you on a personal level. You are raising your cortisol and stress levels for nothing. Sending you positive vibes

 

[Mfg Eng]

You are like Trump- insanely want the last word. Feel free fool you are now on ignore, I love that button

 

[Mfg Eng]

So if oyu were injecting test e at 125 mg a week how would this translate?

So 600mg once a month to make up for ester weight?

Pretty close if it was in mct, gso or even peanut oil but castor has an unusual effect of sustaining half life. As per what I see in the med journals they promote not jabbing and recommend the product in castor oil. It’s only half castor though. My ex and I spoke of it 14yrs ago while it was only in trials. She is a urologist. Cleaving alteration of the ester isn’t possible but rates of absorption can be altered slightly with transmission route like oils.