Has anyone found a UGL for testosterone that doesn’t give them negative side effects?

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Mds101

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So I’ve been looking for a UGL to supplement my TRT. I’m on 100mg/week and I find I feel best up around 150mg/week but my doctor is unwilling to increase my dose. I’ve tried countless UGLs, even all the ones that are supposed to be the best out there but they all give me a bad headaches almost immediately after starting them. I know it’s not the higher dose that’s causing the headaches because I’ve double my prescription TRT dose before and I have zero negative side effect. I used to order from Pareto a while back when they were still around and it was the only one I found that didn’t give me a headache. I’ve read that it can sometimes be the carrier oil or how it’s processed that can cause these negative side effects in some people.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here maybe also had a similar issue, and if so, were you able to find a lab that didn’t give you any negative side effects? Thanks for any help.
Cheers!
 
Mds101 said:
So I’ve been looking for a UGL to supplement my TRT. I’m on 100mg/week and I find I feel best up around 150mg/week but my doctor is unwilling to increase my dose. I’ve tried countless UGLs, even all the ones that are supposed to be the best out there but they all give me a bad headaches almost immediately after starting them. I know it’s not the higher dose that’s causing the headaches because I’ve double my prescription TRT dose before and I have zero negative side effect. I used to order from Pareto a while back when they were still around and it was the only one I found that didn’t give me a headache. I’ve read that it can sometimes be the carrier oil or how it’s processed that can cause these negative side effects in some people.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here maybe also had a similar issue, and if so, were you able to find a lab that didn’t give you any negative side effects?. Thanks for any help.
Cheers!
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let me make a guess and say you having been having your headaches when using Testosterone Enanthate?
if the answer is yes then you should try Testosterone Cypionate
for whatever reason it seems there are a few guys that react negatively to the Enanthate ester
changing up to Testosterone Cypionate there symptoms went away
 
Taureau said:
let me make a guess and say you having been having your headaches when using Testosterone Enanthate?
if the answer is yes then you should try Testosterone Cypionate
for whatever reason it seems there are a few guys that react negatively to the Enanthate ester
changing up to Testosterone Cypionate there symptoms vent away
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Actually for me it seems to be the reverse, I’m using testosterone cypionate. So maybe I should give the enanthate a try and see if that fixes things. Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.
 
There are a ton of great UGL’s. I like Inno and Dracorex; heard many good things about matrix and spectre as well as Syn. Do you check your blood pressure regularly? You may find a correlation there
 
Thank you for the suggestions. I’ve tried a few of the ones you’ve named but not all. Yeah I definitely monitor my blood pressure and it’s always within normal range, so I don’t think that’s the issue. It’s frustrating because testosterone seems to be well tolerated by most and I never have an issue either my prescription, so I don’t know what could be causing these headaches.
 
If its not a test E issue as @Taureau suggests… which would also have been my first guess

Then I would suggest it’s a carrier oil issue. I do well with grapeseed oil. I can tolerate cotton seed, but it gives me some acne, but MCT is a no no, i am allergic and it gives me hives.

That said, most pharmacies have a policy that you must replace an open vial every 28 days. If your prescription is for 100 mg and you like 150 , just use the whole bottle until empty but continue to fill your prescriptions every 28 days And in short time you’ll have enough to do 150 mg most of the year
 
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A buddy of mine had the same thing
happen, he switched to test Cyp and like magic headaches and pip disappeared some people are just allergic to E for some reason
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
If its not a test E issue as @Taureau suggests… which would also have been my first guess

Then I would suggest it’s a carrier oil issue. I do well with grapeseed oil. I can tolerate cotton seed, but it gives me some acne, but MCT is a no no, i am allergic and it gives me hives.

That said, most pharmacies have a policy that you must replace an open vial every 28 days. If your prescription is for 100 mg and you like 150 , just use the whole bottle until empty but continue to fill your prescriptions every 28 days And in short time you’ll have enough to do 150 mg most of the year
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I’m thinking it could be MCT oil too that’s giving me issues. I remember a while back I tried taking it as a supplement for the gym because it’s supposed to give you quick energy but it only made me feel like crap and with a huge headache too.

This is a great idea about the pharmacy, I didn’t realize that. I thought you could only get it refilled exactly at 30 days. I’ll start doing this and like you say, eventually I’ll have an extra bottle. Thanks for the tips!
 
lukas09 said:
A buddy of mine had the same thing
happen, he switched to test Cyp and like magic headaches and pip disappeared some people are just allergic to E for some reason
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Good to know! Maybe I’ll allergic to test cypionate then, gotta try test e and see how I react.
 
Taureau said:
let me make a guess and say you having been having your headaches when using Testosterone Enanthate?
if the answer is yes then you should try Testosterone Cypionate
for whatever reason it seems there are a few guys that react negatively to the Enanthate ester
changing up to Testosterone Cypionate there symptoms went away
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This is me!
 
Grapeseed oil has been the standard for me whether cyp or enanthate for my UGL tRT without any issues whatsoever, but now that I;m trying a new sponsor featuring MCT oil as Its standard carrier, I'm liking It!
Somehow has a different kick and even tho it stings a little when injecting, my body seems to have adjusted well and feel a bit different in terms of effectiveness, maybe placebo effect, dunno, but surprising boost to my protocol I might say.
 
Test Cyp In MCT is very smooth , Most reputable UGLs make a smooth comfortable product. And what the guys are saying about Test E is correct . I’ve been lucky with 2 UGLs and I can run their test e .
 
Cottonseed is problematic for me. Most Test E gives me mild tolerable pip including pharma. Others have similar experiences.

Test C from Dracorex, Orion, Matrix, are MCT and pip free for me. SYN is grapeseed and pip free for me as well. I wouldn't cross the road to swap any of these for pharma. And I don't need them tested.

Cheers
 
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Mds101 said:
So I’ve been looking for a UGL to supplement my TRT. I’m on 100mg/week and I find I feel best up around 150mg/week but my doctor is unwilling to increase my dose. I’ve tried countless UGLs, even all the ones that are supposed to be the best out there but they all give me a bad headaches almost immediately after starting them. I know it’s not the higher dose that’s causing the headaches because I’ve double my prescription TRT dose before and I have zero negative side effect. I used to order from Pareto a while back when they were still around and it was the only one I found that didn’t give me a headache. I’ve read that it can sometimes be the carrier oil or how it’s processed that can cause these negative side effects in some people.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here maybe also had a similar issue, and if so, were you able to find a lab that didn’t give you any negative side effects? Thanks for any help.
Cheers!
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What UGL labs did you try other than Pareto, what was the carrier oil, and ester? If you don't want to list them all here as you may have tried many, feel free to PM me.
You are looking for a an UGL (your words) - just a FYI, you may not mean it to, but you joined a few weeks ago and this reads like you are looking for a source, and this is not a source board.
I can appreciate, posts don't always read like they were written - I have never had an issue with any ester, any carrier oil, or headaches, but many do.
Would be good to determine what the carrier oil/ester is with your TRT and make you match it with same ester/carrier oil with your other options. Even better - just look up what Pareto carries and match it with another lab. If it was me, I would reach out to all my contacts and make sure it is the same as my script and try it. If it doesn't work, I don't have an answer.
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to increase your TRT? Are you cycling or still have issues that were not remedied by the dosage you were prescribed. 100 mg a week should put you over the top of the normal parameters for a man. Not for everyone, but whether 215 or 240 lbs - I sit just above the normal parameters with 100 mg of script and the same can be said for many other labs.
Good luck.
 
Syn is grapeseed oil unlike my now corrected previous brainfart. Exceptionally smooth and high quality. Just not quite as low viscosity as MCT products.

I do prefer mct as it draws and injects so readily and smooth with 25g. I avoid cottonseed, still wonder if it was just a couple bad labs but not willing to stray from MCT or grapeseed at this time.
 
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