got new blood work-->fasting blood sugar and blood insulin levels.

[Rolls roydz]

Took forever, but I found another doctor.. Again he dismissed insulin level being relevant at all to my high fasting blood sugar..

It is very very clear that "medical clinics" really think any private hormone clinic or private healthcare is worthless and the doctors who work there are not real and opinions do not matter. Betwee this dr and the previous one, its just plain clear that if a hormone clinic or private medical says one thing, doctors at a medical clinic will just flat out disagree out of prinicpal. I don;t think the clinic I go through is great, but blood work and medical studies do not lie.

Funny though, at least in AB, medical clinics are privately owned just like hormone clinics. I think the only difference is medical clinics are paid through government tax dollars and private are 100% or at least mostly paid for by the customer..

Either way, the new dr said insulin levels are meaningless and he would not look at mine or entertain looking at the blood work showing my low insulin.. to the point when I said "doesn't having high fasting blood sugar and low insluin show that it's my bodies inability to produce enough insulin that's causing my high blood suragr?" his response was "no.. it just means that your body hasn't secreted enough insulin to lower your blood sugar when you had your blood work done".. my reply was "it was fasting blood work.. so I eat no carbs to start with and my body had a full 12 hours to produce enough insulin to lowerr my blood sugars to be within range and when I had my fasting blood sugar done it was 6.8".... He looked at me and said "it doesn't work that way"... I replied "can you explain to me how it works so I can understand.. I just want to bring my blood sugar under control so I don't get type 2"... he said "you just need to know we only use A1c and base everythign off that"...
So in other words, doctor doesn't understand how insulin and blood sugars actually work and therefore can't explain it either...

either way, got my blood work done.
Fasting blood sugars 6.8.... This shows I am prediabetic again/begining type 2.
A1c 5.7%... 0.2% from offcially type 2.

He of course refused to test insulin..

What a damn prick piece of trash with his fkn degree up his ass. This happens because the damn med schools are full of assholes who only know how to take tests by memorizing shit.

I feel your anger flowing through my veins!

 

[animal-inside]

Have you seen an endocrinologist? I don't know who would specialize in blood sugar but insulin is a hormon so an endo would be my guess. If you can just get a g.p to refer you then anything the endo says your doc should actually listen to.

Lol... you need a referal to see an endo...

And to be honest, the more doctors I see the more I think most are too high on themselves to refer you to someone else.. it's almost like they won;t do it because they think it would mean they aren;t smart ennough to deal with it themselves.

 

[animal-inside]

I'm worried about these kind of things too. Our doctors won't treat you until your full on diseased, they don't work on prevention. Just get him to say your fine and record it so if you become diabetic you can sue him or your health care company.

It's just frustrating for me because I've done everything that could be done to prevent type 2 when I was told I was pre diabetic 4 years ago, but blood sugars just keep creeping up.

 

[Bigbear]

It's just frustrating for me because I've done everything that could be done to prevent type 2 when I was told I was pre diabetic 4 years ago, but blood sugars just keep creeping up.

Yea that's fucked up especially being 0 carbs.

 

[ClearWater]

I've read that that too.. Well somethign similar..

I've added some carbs for the past couple weeks in the form of steel cut oats, apples, berries, wild rice.. It's been 2 weeks and my blood sugar has deffinitely gone up.

This morning when I woke up it was 8.1.. Which is very high.. I did have my cheat meal yesterday around 8pm though... My waking blood sugar usually around mid to high 6 since adding carbs back in.

I'm pretty sure if I don't switch back to keto I will have blood sugars that would make me type 2 and needing mediciation for it. I believe the little insulin I produce is enough to keep my blood sugars lower if I eat very little to no carbs. So although on the keto diet I had some syptoms like feeling low blood sugar symptoms while lifting, it was all the carbs my insulin levels could handle.

I'm irratated right now still lol.. So I haven't made any plans to see another dr. I did talk to a friend who gave me info for a much better doctor they see in the city.




My doctor that put me on thyroid said synthroid will help bring your blood sugar down because it helps with metabolism. Can you explain a bit more?

I know gear and gh increases it.. I'm on TRT and without it, my body fat is almost unmaangabe and my lean muscle mass goes down. Higher bf and lower lean mass is awful for blood sugars, so its a catch 22.

i saw this article and wondered if it looks like it would help lower your blood sugar:

@animal-inside

https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/diabetes-remission/

 

[BobTbay]

i saw this article and wondered if it looks like it would help lower your blood sugar:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/diabetes-remission/

yes, i'm sure 8 or 900 calories a day of soup and meal replacement shakes and nothing else would be pretty effective at lowering blood sugars... Starvation will do that. I wouldn't do it unless I was near death, and I am diabetic, that's a helluva crash diet.

 

[ClearWater]

yes, i'm sure 8 or 900 calories a day of soup and meal replacement shakes and nothing else would be pretty effective at lowering blood sugars... Starvation will do that. I wouldn't do it unless I was near death, and I am diabetic, that's a helluva crash diet.

i thought so too but the UK national federal health agency is successfully using this diet to fight the epidemic of type diabetes and obesity in their country. Not saying that a country that implements this diet is right or wrong. But the reported success rate of this diet to stop or reverse type 2 diabetes is impressive.

 

[BobTbay]

i thought so too but the UK national federal health agency is successfully using this diet to fight the epidemic of type diabetes and obesity in their country. Not saying that a country that implements this diet is right or wrong. But the reported success rate of this diet to stop or reverse type 2 diabetes is impressive.

Of course they work...(kinda)

Starvation diets have always worked for obesity and diabetes.

Calorie deficits are of course the only treatment for obesity and starvation diets were the only treatments that worked (kinda worked) for diabetes at all, right up until Banting and Best discovered insulin in 1922. Starvation works fantastic (in the short term, for both type one and type two diabetes), ....right up until the patients die of electrolyte imbalance, nutrient deficiencies, or total organ failure from macronutrient deficiencies.

The wonderful thing about massive calorie restriction is that it immediately improves health markers and blood sugars. The side effects of massive calorie restriction is many patients experience long term damage to overall metabolism. We learned that from the scientists studying the "biggest loser t.v. show" cohort.

It's a tradeoff. If a persons life is in danger from runaway diabetes, and they are massively overweight, it will work... with side effects that can be life long. But at least they live long enough to struggle with low metabolism for life.

I'm just saying I wouldn't do it, because I'm not in that situation. I lost the weight much slower over about four years, and only have a mildly damaged metabolism, and my diabetes is also under good control now.