Favorite HRT or Cruise Setup

Monk on Tren

Monk on Tren

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I've experimented a lot with hormones. Trying to find what feels best, while still feeling human and being healthy.

I’ve tried:

Deca based - 120mg deca with 49 test p

I felt great in a sense. Very contained. Very calm, collected. It has an aura to it.

A weighty sense of authority internally. But also no pull to prove or assert anything.

Muscle fullness and joints were amazing. Very strong physically and mentally.

Mentally strong in a framing sense though. Not as stable as I would've liked. Easily thrown towards feeling too soft.

I also got very distant from my gf. I couldnt clearly feel love or give a fuck about sex or closeness in general.

Eventually it became too much to continue once gyno hit despite riding the line right over low e2.

In my research afterwards, I found that deca alters ER architecture in terrible ways. Negating its protective and stabilizing effects in the brain.

I'd never recommend deca moving forward.

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Test + AI

I've also tried the standard test with an ai. Ranging from 150 to 350mg. Daily adex, daily asin, daily pinning, different esters.. nothing ever felt right.

Things felt less meaningful. Drive was empty. Sex was mechanical. I felt weak minded. Uncontained. My joints and connective tissues were weak despite 30 e2 on paper.

My research on this front found that AIs can alter tissue level aromatization in ways that can cause 10x differences in e2 at certain tissues. Individually specific, but clearly not the way to go for me.

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Ive tried test + masteron. I never had time dialing this before my hair started getting shredded. But it was the best feeling of these 3 options. Good assertion, better containment, great sex drive and motivation.

Still not great joints though. Kinda flat muscles all the time. No bloat which was cool. The anabolism surprisingly kept up with the last options.

This is one id explore further if I didnt care about my hair.

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11mg test p + 4mg tren e daily

This leads me to my current setup. E2 titrated up to an ER-b signaling ceiling. For me, 77mg test p weekly. Tack on 28mg tren e.

It's the most anabolic of all the options. I stay the leanest. Im strong and driven. My sex drive and sensitivity is amazing.

Everything feels full of meaning. The intensity is there, but easy to control and use to my benefit. It has the most energy of the options I've tried.

No sides except maybe a subtle tone shift in how I experience emotions. It's slightly harder to access emotional nuance. Maybe a little bit excessively assertive at times.

Its the most stable of all the options ive tried.
Most energetic. The happiest ive felt out of anything ive tried. Not quite as hungry as other setups, which helps me stay leaner.

And no, my organs arent all melting, lol.

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EDIT:

I've supplemented varying doses of pregnenolone and DHEA on every experiment above. 25mg of each is what feels best on my current protocol. The difference is night and day vs without them.

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What setups have you guys tried? Land on anything out of the norm for your favorite hrt or cruise?
 
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Monk on Tren said:
I've experimented a lot with hormones. Trying to find what feels best, while still feeling human and being healthy.

I’ve tried:

Deca based - 120mg deca with 49 test p

I felt great in a sense. Very contained. Very calm, collected. It has an aura to it.

A weighty sense of authority internally. But also no pull to prove or assert anything.

Muscle fullness and joints were amazing. Very strong physically and mentally.

Mentally strong in a framing sense though. Not as stable as I would've liked. Easily thrown towards feeling too soft.

I also got very distant from my gf. I couldnt clearly feel love or give a fuck about sex or closeness in general.

Eventually it became too much to continue once gyno hit despite riding the line right over low e2.

In my research afterwards, I found that deca alters ER architecture in terrible ways. Negating its protective and stabilizing effects in the brain.

I'd never recommend deca moving forward.

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Test + AI

I've also tried the standard test with an ai. Ranging from 150 to 350mg. Daily adex, daily asin, daily pinning, different esters.. nothing ever felt right.

Things felt less meaningful. Drive was empty. Sex was mechanical. I felt weak minded. Uncontained. My joints and connective tissues were weak despite 30 e2 on paper.

My research on this front found that AIs can alter tissue level aromatization in ways that can cause 10x differences in e2 at certain tissues. Individually specific, but clearly not the way to go for me.

---------------------------

Ive tried test + masteron. I never had time dialing this before my hair started getting shredded. But it was the best feeling of these 3 options. Good assertion, better containment, great sex drive and motivation.

Still not great joints though. Kinda flat muscles all the time. No bloat which was cool. The anabolism surprisingly kept up with the last options.

This is one id explore further if I didnt care about my hair.

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11mg test p + 4mg tren e daily

This leads me to my current setup. E2 titrated up to an ER-b signaling ceiling. For me, 77mg test p weekly. Tack on 28mg tren e.

It's the most anabolic of all the options. I stay the leanest. Im strong and driven. My sex drive and sensitivity is amazing.

Everything feels full of meaning. The intensity is there, but easy to control and use to my benefit. It has the most energy of the options I've tried.

No sides except maybe a subtle tone shift in how I experience emotions. It's slightly harder to access emotional nuance. Maybe a little bit excessively assertive at times.

Its the most stable of all the options ive tried.
Most energetic. The happiest ive felt out of anything ive tried. Not quite as hungry as other setups, which helps me stay leaner.

And no, my organs arent all melting, lol.

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What setups have you guys tried? Land on anything out of the norm for your favorite hrt or cruise?
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Do I have this right? You're primarily gauging what you want to use by the effects to your mental health?

Real TRT/HRT is the only thing that can reliably do this and be healthy in a balanced way as far as hormones go. There's way more to "feeling good" than just steroids. You're not going to get everything you want with the stability you want without negative side effects.
 
CoolRick said:
Do I have this right? You're primarily gauging what you want to use by the effects to your mental health?

Real TRT/HRT is the only thing that can reliably do this and be healthy in a balanced way as far as hormones go. There's way more to "feeling good" than just steroids. You're not going to get everything you want with the stability you want without negative side effects.
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You're not far off. But the framing could be shifted.

My mental health is my highest priority. That reflects in my hormone usage.

I've tried standard HRT. I felt like a robot devoid of meaning. No matter what I tried, what my doctor recommended. I'd be hypogonadal before going back to that.

So clearly normal HRT isnt the path to feeling healthy and balanced for me.

Im not looking for perfection either though. Nothing in life is perfect. It would be silly to expect that from anything let alone hormones.

But my current setup is what allows me to feel best. With side effects that are very minor compared to anything else I've tried.
 
Monk on Tren said:
You're not far off. But the framing could be shifted.

My mental health is my highest priority. That reflects in my hormone usage.

I've tried standard HRT. I felt like a robot devoid of meaning. No matter what I tried, what my doctor recommended. I'd be hypogonadal before going back to that.

So clearly normal HRT isnt the path to feeling healthy and balanced for me.

Im not looking for perfection either though. Nothing in life is perfect. It would be silly to expect that from anything let alone hormones.

But my current setup is what allows me to feel best. With side effects that are very minor compared to anything else I've tried.
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I see. I don't see any mention of using HCG. Have you explored this at all?

I'm not on TRT (I don't need it) but I have experimented with it when I was cycling. I agree it sucked. I found test + HCG was the best way to mimic my natural vigor.
 
CoolRick said:
I see. I don't see any mention of using HCG. Have you explored this at all?

I'm not on TRT (I don't need it) but I have experimented with it when I was cycling. I agree it sucked. I found test + HCG was the best way to mimic my natural vigor.
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I haven't tried HCG actually. From what I've heard, it's not far off supplementing pregnenolone and dhea. Which I should edit in that I've done on every above experiment.

Have you tried supplementing these vs HCG? It would be something I'm open to exploring in place of the test I'm using currently.

My main worry there is that keeping e2 dialed while I bring the tren up for cycles would become difficult. Potentially worth the experiment as a base for my tren replacement therapy though. Lol.
 
Monk on Tren said:
I haven't tried HCG actually. From what I've heard, it's not far off supplementing pregnenolone and dhea. Which I should edit in that I've done on every above experiment.

Have you tried supplementing these vs HCG? It would be something I'm open to exploring in place of the test I'm using currently.

My main worry there is that keeping e2 dialed while I bring the tren up for cycles would become difficult. Potentially worth the experiment as a base for my tren replacement therapy though. Lol.
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I haven't as they aren't available here over the counter like they are in the states.

DHEA and pregnenolone are downstream from LH, and for that reason alone I'd rather use HCG.

HCG and estrogen is nothing more than adjusting dosages. Too many people think they'll just take their TRT dose, throw HCG on top and it'll be fine. Nope it's no different taking taking more test. It begs the question though, if someone's balls can work to produce test with HCG why the need for TRT in the first place? Seems ass backwards to me.
 
CoolRick said:
I haven't as they aren't available here over the counter like they are in the states.

DHEA and pregnenolone are downstream from LH, and for that reason alone I'd rather use HCG.

HCG and estrogen is nothing more than adjusting dosages. Too many people think they'll just take their TRT dose, throw HCG on top and it'll be fine. Nope it's no different taking taking more test. It begs the question though, if someone's balls can work to produce test with HCG why the need for TRT in the first place? Seems ass backwards to me.
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For sure. Just titrate it up and map what I'd need at varying tren doses. I'll give that a shot in the future.

As far as why test is used for trt at all, I think we agree on that. I think it's more simplistic for doctors to get you to steady numbers on lab work.

Same reason I haven't wanted to explore HCG yet I suppose. More variables that go along with AI use for example. Which creates less stability. Then there's varying dose responses based on the individual, age, etc.

Plus most doctors dont know much about hormones. Even more dont care about actual optimization.

I think the medical industry is mostly a failure outside of acute, life threatening scenarios though. That and the invention of some useful drugs.

It's designed to fix numbers on a sheet of paper. To treat negative symptoms with drugs rather than looking at the body as a system.
 
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I personally would add some hcg, with your test cycle.
I always felt best, with a boost of natural testosterone on top of trt.
But its your body, add lots of tren or a gram of test, play around with anti estrogen.
You can do a thousand different cycles, play around or read a steroid book.
 
Monk on Tren said:
For sure. Just titrate it up and map what I'd need at varying tren doses. I'll give that a shot in the future.

As far as why test is used for trt at all, I think we agree on that. I think it's more simplistic for doctors to get you to steady numbers on lab work.

Same reason I haven't wanted to explore HCG yet I suppose. More variables that go along with AI use for example. Which creates less stability. Then there's varying dose responses based on the individual, age, etc.

Plus most doctors dont know much about hormones. Even more dont care about actual optimization.

I think the medical industry is mostly a failure outside of acute, life threatening scenarios though. That and the invention of some useful drugs.

It's designed to fix numbers on a sheet of paper. To treat negative symptoms with drugs rather than looking at the body as a system.
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It's not so scary, it's you can easily figure out the right dosing and frequency for HCG especially if you're already willing to use test and tren on a daily injection schedule.

I love HCG. Actually my favorite cycle of all time has to be HCG (for test) + deca solo. No sides, no need for ancillaries, no bloat, nothing but growing and getting stronger.

As far as docs go, I don't hold usually them to a very high regard for the reasons you outlined above. It grinds my gears actually, but I'll bite my tongue on that topic, for now.
 
Monk on Tren said:
I've experimented a lot with hormones. Trying to find what feels best, while still feeling human and being healthy.

I’ve tried:

Deca based - 120mg deca with 49 test p

I felt great in a sense. Very contained. Very calm, collected. It has an aura to it.

A weighty sense of authority internally. But also no pull to prove or assert anything.

Muscle fullness and joints were amazing. Very strong physically and mentally.

Mentally strong in a framing sense though. Not as stable as I would've liked. Easily thrown towards feeling too soft.

I also got very distant from my gf. I couldnt clearly feel love or give a fuck about sex or closeness in general.

Eventually it became too much to continue once gyno hit despite riding the line right over low e2.

In my research afterwards, I found that deca alters ER architecture in terrible ways. Negating its protective and stabilizing effects in the brain.

I'd never recommend deca moving forward.

-----‐------------------------
Test + AI

I've also tried the standard test with an ai. Ranging from 150 to 350mg. Daily adex, daily asin, daily pinning, different esters.. nothing ever felt right.

Things felt less meaningful. Drive was empty. Sex was mechanical. I felt weak minded. Uncontained. My joints and connective tissues were weak despite 30 e2 on paper.

My research on this front found that AIs can alter tissue level aromatization in ways that can cause 10x differences in e2 at certain tissues. Individually specific, but clearly not the way to go for me.

---------------------------

Ive tried test + masteron. I never had time dialing this before my hair started getting shredded. But it was the best feeling of these 3 options. Good assertion, better containment, great sex drive and motivation.

Still not great joints though. Kinda flat muscles all the time. No bloat which was cool. The anabolism surprisingly kept up with the last options.

This is one id explore further if I didnt care about my hair.

----------------------------
11mg test p + 4mg tren e daily

This leads me to my current setup. E2 titrated up to an ER-b signaling ceiling. For me, 77mg test p weekly. Tack on 28mg tren e.

It's the most anabolic of all the options. I stay the leanest. Im strong and driven. My sex drive and sensitivity is amazing.

Everything feels full of meaning. The intensity is there, but easy to control and use to my benefit. It has the most energy of the options I've tried.

No sides except maybe a subtle tone shift in how I experience emotions. It's slightly harder to access emotional nuance. Maybe a little bit excessively assertive at times.

Its the most stable of all the options ive tried.
Most energetic. The happiest ive felt out of anything ive tried. Not quite as hungry as other setups, which helps me stay leaner.

And no, my organs arent all melting, lol.

------------------------

EDIT:

I've supplemented varying doses of pregnenolone and DHEA on every experiment above. 25mg of each is what feels best on my current protocol. The difference is night and day vs without them.

------------------

What setups have you guys tried? Land on anything out of the norm for your favorite hrt or cruise?
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100 mg deca
125 mg test
A week, this time I got anxiety pretty bad.

50 mg of deca with 125 mg of test and I’m fine, but joints feel better on 100 mg.

Low tren and low test I feel wicked, but not sure how healthy that is, lol.

Soi normally just do test w/ ai as needed. I feel the most normal. But feeling normal sucks ass and I’d like to run some tren agsin.
 
Sorbate said:
100 mg deca
125 mg test
A week, this time I got anxiety pretty bad.

50 mg of deca with 125 mg of test and I’m fine, but joints feel better on 100 mg.

Low tren and low test I feel wicked, but not sure how healthy that is, lol.

Soi normally just do test w/ ai as needed. I feel the most normal. But feeling normal sucks ass and I’d like to run some tren agsin.
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I'll be cooking up a thread soon making the case for low dose tren + low test in hrt setups.

I've actively been trying to find scientifically backed reasons not to stay on tren indefinitely. Trying my best not to be blind to anything.

Heart fibrosis is covered. lvh risk covered. Kidney and liver damage covered. Alzeimers risk covered. Brain damage seems unlikely.

I havent been able to find a legitimate reason not to keep it in. It has some pretty promising benefits vs test with a potentially safer profile in some real ways.

Keep your eyes open for that thread though. Im not about to argue about it on this one.
 
Monk on Tren said:
I'll be cooking up a thread soon making the case for low dose tren + low test in hrt setups.

I've actively been trying to find scientifically backed reasons not to stay on tren indefinitely. Trying my best not to be blind to anything.

Heart fibrosis is covered. lvh risk covered. Kidney and liver damage covered. Alzeimers risk covered. Brain damage seems unlikely.

I havent been able to find a legitimate reason not to keep it in. It has some pretty promising benefits vs test with a potentially safer profile in some real ways.

Keep your eyes open for that thread though. Im not about to argue about it on this one.
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Tren has safer profile than test? You sure man?
 
Monk on Tren said:
Not what I said. Keep your eyes open for the post I'll make soon. You can try proving me wrong on there. I'm hoping someone can.
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I do believe that the mental sides for most guys are actually worse than the physical health outcomes of Tren. But I wouldn’t run it year round regardless. Looking forward to your thread brother 👌
 
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