Fall cycle here we go

Sports trt/cruise dose
Its gives improved performance, minor strength and size gains compared to standard trt doses of 100-200mg of test alone. Its a cruise dose for guys that run much higher doses during blasts.

The nandrolone and eq are not by my consideration reaching minimum effective dosage for visible muscle gains. Will they help you feel better and perform better- yes they will. Will they directly build lbs of muscle for you- no.

Unless the user is a hyper responder to gear he will add a few lbs of muscle and water during this "cycle" only to likely lose all of it a few months later.

At 49 i get it though. Not worth a real big blast, or high cruise doses. Just a little nudge for a few months without risking too much.

Again i wouldnt expect much other than 3-6 lbs of muscle and water tbh.

Feeling optimal during the cycle will be the best part of what your running, not the actual gains.

Hope that clears the air for everyone.
 
DeeKnows said:
Sports trt/cruise dose
Its gives improved performance, minor strength and size gains compared to standard trt doses of 100-200mg of test alone. Its a cruise dose for guys that run much higher doses during blasts.

The nandrolone and eq are not by my consideration reaching minimum effective dosage for visible muscle gains. Will they help you feel better and perform better- yes they will. Will they directly build lbs of muscle for you- no.

Unless the user is a hyper responder to gear he will add a few lbs of muscle and water during this "cycle" only to likely lose all of it a few months later.

At 49 i get it though. Not worth a real big blast, or high cruise doses. Just a little nudge for a few months without risking too much.

Again i wouldnt expect much other than 3-6 lbs of muscle and water tbh.

Feeling optimal during the cycle will be the best part of what your running, not the actual gains.

Hope that clears the air for everyone
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so what is “your consideration” for minimum effective dosing for EQ and nand then?

considering deca is commonly prescribed at 50-100mg every 3-4 weeks… which OP proposed doing 125 mg weekly, so more 4-5x the clinical dosing. sure, this is in context when used “in which a potent tissue-building or protein-sparing action is desired,” such as in AIDS patients, however where this proposed dosing is much higher than what is shown to be clinically significant for muscle wasting, how can we not then assume 125mg/week would add to “visible muscle gains” to a measurable degree?

EQ i won’t attempt to bring a drug profile into what the minimum effective dose would be considering it’s a vet drug with little/no human data. cattle dosing is 0.5mg/lb every 3 weeks which is obviously not 1:1 comparable. i can agree that this EQ dose is probably only meaningful for some anti-E2 benefits with the possibility of thickening blood, anxiety etc. would much rather see a DHT derivative used in its place. i love EQ but ive never ran lower than 300mg/w so i can’t even give an anecdote to 150mg/week.
 
DeeKnows said:
200 npp
250 deca
300-600 eq

My considerations, non clinical of course.
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Im assuming thats with a higher test included? Or are you saying those 3 with no test cypionate. I do like the idea of adding the npp that way if I get negative effects Its easier to ease off. If my body tolerates the Eq well its not unlikely I get close to 300. My reluctance with Eq is on my last cycle my hematocrit elevated throughout. I feel I have my supplementation an ancillaries lined up better this time though. So will see what happens. Either way I appreciate the insights DeeKnows👍
 
Trenbolone&Cheese said:
so what is “your consideration” for minimum effective dosing for EQ and nand then?

considering deca is commonly prescribed at 50-100mg every 3-4 weeks… which OP proposed doing 125 mg weekly, so more 4-5x the clinical dosing. sure, this is in context when used “in which a potent tissue-building or protein-sparing action is desired,” such as in AIDS patients, however where this proposed dosing is much higher than what is shown to be clinically significant for muscle wasting, how can we not then assume 125mg/week would add to “visible muscle gains” to a measurable degree?

EQ i won’t attempt to bring a drug profile into what the minimum effective dose would be considering it’s a vet drug with little/no human data. cattle dosing is 0.5mg/lb every 3 weeks which is obviously not 1:1 comparable. i can agree that this EQ dose is probably only meaningful for some anti-E2 benefits with the possibility of thickening blood, anxiety etc. would much rather see a DHT derivative used in its place. i love EQ but ive never ran lower than 300mg/w so i can’t even give an anecdote to 150mg/week.
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I haven't been able to find anything on minimum effective dosage for Eq but from the little i can make out from its pharmokinetics it doesn't seem like it should need a minimum threshhold that needs to be achieved to have an anabolic effect. With that being said im not expecting 150mg to cause huge muscle gain.
 
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