Debating on adding a 19-nor

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Over the last 5ish months ive been on 300 mgs of test per week and added on mast E about 2 months ago also at 300 mg a week

Bloods looking good, im no longer a fat piece of shit i was in april. Diets under control, lifes been good.

Got a VERY physically demanding job and im wanting to add a 19-nor for more of a preformance boost than anything.


Debating between the famed tren, NPP or deca.

Can one of yall big brains give me some reasons id want one over the other and the pros and cons id have with each so i can make an educated decision?


I no longer have prolactin or estorgen issues at all, i dont really care about "size" so much as strength and endurance (12-15 hr days of labour)

My mast guys run out of mast E as well and only has primo or mast P so im thinking of switching to primo if that will make any difference in suggestions.

Im 28, 6'1 and 190 pounds now.
 
Tren will make staying motivated for long days a lot easier. You'll have way more tenacity and some extra strength. If you go with tren, start with 7mg ace a day and titrate up to 15mg if you feel like you want more.

I'd recommend NPP over deca if you go that route. It's a very side heavy steroid depending on how you individually respond. Might grow tits independent of e2 or prolactin. Might get overly soft emotionally. Your drive might take a hit.

Nothing like it for your joints and connective tissue feel though. Theres an argument to be made around its recovery capacity gains. It personally gives me a low rpm, high torque motivation or drive if that makes sense. Nothing revs me much, but if I have a lane I can work 90 hour weeks without stressing much. I'd start at 100mg a week for npp. Keep caber on hand in case prolactin goes up. Obviously e2 control.

Deca and tren feel kinda like yin and yang to me. Tren lights me on fire. Deca makes everything flow more easily. Both have pretty big costs though. If it were me in your spot, I'd probably begin with the tren ace.
 
The Caped Crusader said:
I think what you need is EQ buddy for your “very physically demanding job” and focus of improving performance, strength and endurance rather than size. EQ is what you should consider. Its profile benefits suit your case.
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Eq over the primo?

Thoughts on eq+ a tiny bit of tren ace like monk suggests?

Im going to be working every day till close to xmas doing these hours so the drive boost sounds very enticing
 
Monk on Tren said:
Tren will make staying motivated for long days a lot easier. You'll have way more tenacity and some extra strength. If you go with tren, start with 7mg ace a day and titrate up to 15mg if you feel like you want more.

I'd recommend NPP over deca if you go that route. It's a very side heavy steroid depending on how you individually respond. Might grow tits independent of e2 or prolactin. Might get overly soft emotionally. Your drive might take a hit.

Nothing like it for your joints and connective tissue feel though. Theres an argument to be made around its recovery capacity gains. It personally gives me a low rpm, high torque motivation or drive if that makes sense. Nothing revs me much, but if I have a lane I can work 90 hour weeks without stressing much. I'd start at 100mg a week for npp. Keep caber on hand in case prolactin goes up. Obviously e2 control.

Deca and tren feel kinda like yin and yang to me. Tren lights me on fire. Deca makes everything flow more easily. Both have pretty big costs though. If it were me in your spot, I'd probably begin with the tren ace.
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Is there a reason you suggest ace over genetecs parabolan/ tren hex?
 
bc__boy said:
Trenbolone Acetate.
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Yeah i meant tren ace over tren hex, not ace pharma lol.

Monk answered in my dms though makes sense

For anyone else reading this thread and wondering its because if you get unwanted sides with hex your locked in for awhile as its a long acting ester.
 
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goose said:
Yeah i meant tren ace over tren hex, not ace pharma lol.

Monk answered in my dms though makes sense

For anyone else reading this thread and wondering its because if you get unwanted sides with hex your locked in for awhile as its a long acting ester.
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I ran Genetecs Tren Ace and it works fast and you'll be able to track how you react. Starts working fast but if bad sides you can get it out quickly. I ran 150mg max and had to cut back, night sweats and insomnia were brutal. Also bp went up quick. If you react well move to the tritren or tren enth. Im tempted to run 75mg a week of the tritren.
 
goose said:
Eq over the primo?

Thoughts on eq+ a tiny bit of tren ace like monk suggests?

Im going to be working every day till close to xmas doing these hours so the drive boost sounds very enticing
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Absolutely brother. Coming from someone like me who himself has a very demanding physical job of long hours…EQ is my best friend. I just feel so fucking energized, high oxygenated blood count, full of endurance and on top of my performance when it comes to my job, cardio, lifting, getting naked and most importantly still having the energy and ability to patrol the city after midnight all in one go 🦇 consider it and yes you can definitely slap on a low dose of ace daily to wake some demons but jokes aside, to your initial post, EQ suits your lifestyle!
 
I am part of the eq camp.
It will; for sure increase your performance, and control estrogen like mast.

The reason why they gave it to race horses so they could perform better.

I recommend to donate while running we, it will increase your Hemocrit, part of the reason your performance increases.

Tren isn’t really for performance enhansing, even though you will be more mentally motivated, but I find it does wind you a bit.

Deca if your joints are aching. But you are young and shouldn’t need that.
 
I love hearing these thoughts on EQ. I have some on the way from Inno and will run low dose with my test and Deca. Look forward to that possible increased energy.
 
I unfortunately just ordered more mast before looking into eq.. so guess i either get eq as well and do that or do eq after this mast runs out lol
 
goose said:
I unfortunately just ordered more mast before looking into eq.. so guess i either get eq as well and do that or do eq after this mast runs out lol
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Mast is great at masking high e2 sides. It won’t lower serum e2, but it’ll make you feel good. I mean it’s a dht deriv right, it’s what makes us manly.

In my opinion, blast the mast, and save eq for another cycle. Figuring out your test:eq ratio might be tricky, but once you dial it in you’ll be stellar
 
The Caped Crusader said:
Absolutely brother. Coming from someone like me who himself has a very demanding physical job of long hours…EQ is my best friend. I just feel so fucking energized, high oxygenated blood count, full of endurance and on top of my performance when it comes to my job, cardio, lifting, getting naked and most importantly still having the energy and ability to patrol the city after midnight all in one go 🦇 consider it and yes you can definitely slap on a low dose of ace daily to wake some demons but jokes aside, to your initial post, EQ suits your lifestyle!
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EQ is the best compound,its a volumizer and just makes you feel good,and athletic,perfect for working hard jobs all day,the price is right too
 
Deca or NPP are the same hormone (nandrolone) both "wet" they're both good they make your joints feel better. NPP is a shorter ester so it reaches peak sooner and will clear back out sooner when you go off but it's dosage is less mg/ml. It's very anabolic not very androgenic great for bulking.

Tren is dryer, it's more kidney toxic, increased neural drive IMO but it can be a psychological mind fuck for most guys, it can cause insomnia and night sweats. It's not particularly anabolic but it does work wonders if you're cutting.

Primobolan is overhyped IMO, it works well to control estrogen for most but it tanks mine hard. It's more or less interchangeable with mast though.

Equipoise is not good imo, it converts to a form of estrogen that we don't know anything about and it's very kidney toxic in animal studies so I would avoid pairing it with Tren. It also is known to increase blood pressure, it raises hematocrit aggressively. You're young so you can probably tolerate it though, but I can't if I use it my blood pressure will skyrocket.


Given your options I would use the test, mast, NPP. If you do try the Tren I'd say keep it below 75mg weekly but I'd save it for a cut when you're big. But real talk I personally would recommend some time off after how long you have been on, for health reasons. I think you don't need as much gear as you're planning either. You're on 600mg already that's like 6x physiological hormones
 
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